2017 PROMASTER CITY (FIAT DOBLO) BSI LOCKED

[AndriyM6]

Hi to all. I need your advice.

Working on 2017 RAM ProMaster City with all key lost. it's a rebadged Fiat Doblo.
I'm not able to program brand new dealer key with wiTech. won't except original PIN and also won't show how many keys in system.
Looks like bcm locked. BSI made by Delphi with 70F3633.
I read somewhere about Fiat 500 if alarm on BSI will be locked and needs to be replaced.
Anybody knows how to check if it's locked for sure and needs to be replaced.
If BSI locked any tool able to read out information and precode key.

Thank you in advance.


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[armpower]

Sound like have the new SGW (secure gateway protection) on BCM.
For accessing BCM you need SGW Pin or a SGW bypass.
The SGW access with PIN are only online.
For offline you need SGW adaptor bypass.Need to find SGW ecu and connect the by-pass.
After this you have access to BCM for coding.
I haven't heard about other protection.Maybe Promaster have other BCM software that Doblo' doesn't have.But It's only my guess.

Cheers

[AndriyM6]

Sound like have the new SGW (secure gateway protection) on BCM.
For accessing BCM you need SGW Pin or a SGW bypass.
The SGW access with PIN are only online.
For offline you need SGW adaptor bypass.Need to find SGW ecu and connect the by-pass.
After this you have access to BCM for coding.
I haven't heard about other protection.Maybe Promaster have other BCM software that Doblo' doesn't have.But It's only my guess.

CheersAccording wiring diagram this car not equipped with SGW. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200402/a196ee94b337d9fd29c6fc6f0459c7df.jpg

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[TERMINATOR1000]

same BSI than FIAT 500 , it's an USA cars ?
certainly same protection , test MCU data flash reading ...

[AndriyM6]

same BSI than FIAT 500 , it's an USA cars ?
certainly same protection , test MCU data flash reading ...Yes it's USA car.
What do you mean under "same protection"?
Have a UPA-S programmer and I will not believe it can read this MCU

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[TERMINATOR1000]

Yes it's USA car.
What do you mean under "same protection"?
Have a UPA-S programmer and I will not believe it can read this MCU

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I'm in EU , i never have this problem ( i can help you ) , but on Fiat 500 , US locksmith have same problem if AKL ...

[qeso705]

Connect it on table and try on table when no result then mostlikely its locked. http://ioterminal.com/?page_id=148

[ray-ray]

It’s been almost 8 month I try to reach out to Andrus author of the i.o. Terminal with no response.

[TERMINATOR1000]

It’s been almost 8 month I try to reach out to Andrus author of the i.o. Terminal with no response.

if BSI is locked by OBD2 , the only way is to read MCU immo data ( with vvdi prog ) and generate CN3 transponder to unlock BSI ( clone of the original key ) !
I.O terminal use OBD2 to communicate with BSI ...

[AndriyM6]

It’s been almost 8 month I try to reach out to Andrus author of the i.o. Terminal with no response.If he doesn’t answer you then what to say about us

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[Weasel3]

if BSI is locked by OBD2 , the only way is to read MCU immo data ( with vvdi prog ) and generate CN3 transponder to unlock BSI ( clone of the original key ) !
I.O terminal use OBD2 to communicate with BSI ...

You can verify this solution?
Alarm. And this will solve it.

[drugowaz]

If you ask questions about tech without buying tool or licences not expect any help.
There is thousands owners to work with.
Contact your dealers you bought.
Ray ray what you need? I sell these and got direct contact.

[drugowaz]

If you ask questions about tech without buying tool or licences not expect any help.
There is thousands owners to work with.
Contact your dealers you bought.
Ray ray what you need? I sell these and got direct contact.

[AndriyM6]

If you ask questions about tech without buying tool or licences not expect any help.
There is thousands owners to work with.
Contact your dealers you bought.
Ray ray what you need? I sell these and got direct contact.In your logic I have to buy first then ask questions?
If you answer to all my questions in first post of this thread and your tool able solve my problem I will buy it.

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[AndriyM6]

if BSI is locked by OBD2 , the only way is to read MCU immo data ( with vvdi prog ) and generate CN3 transponder to unlock BSI ( clone of the original key ) !
I.O terminal use OBD2 to communicate with BSI ...Vvdi prog to read mcu and what software able generate transponder from dump of MCU?

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[bearheroes]

if BSI is locked by OBD2 , the only way is to read MCU immo data ( with vvdi prog ) and generate CN3 transponder to unlock BSI ( clone of the original key ) !
I.O terminal use OBD2 to communicate with BSI ...

Since when vvdi can read locked nec? Vvdi doesn’t work from can bus like other tools...that’s why can’t work via obd.

[TERMINATOR1000]

Since when vvdi can read locked nec? Vvdi doesn’t work from can bus like other tools...that’s why can’t work via obd.

OK , I 'm in France & i never seen any Fiat BSI locked , i use I.O terminal for Delphi NEC 70F3633 for all Fiat 500 , only an USA cars problem
if NEC 70F3633 is locked , no tools can resolve this

[bearheroes]

OK , I 'm in France & i never seen any Fiat BSI locked , i use I.O terminal for Delphi NEC 70F3633 for all Fiat 500 , only an USA cars problem
if NEC 70F3633 is locked , no tools can resolve this

You wrote to read with vvdi...yes all bsi w/o external eeprom have locked mcu. Only wAy to read is from can bus. Something similar such as nec in mb ezs.

[Rjautolocksmith]

Usa bcm is different the eeprom gets corrupted or erased after leaving the alarm on for 30 minutes and attempt an aftermarket obd programming .at this point I believe the only solution is a new bcm and key + stealer programming around $1600 usd ,please let us know if you find a better solution.

[drugowaz]

Yes sure developer will sit for days waste time on stupid questions . You even imagine how many people write quotes to tech support? Theres no support team of 20 people.
This tool mainly fir those who understand how and what. I woukd say its almoast engineer tool.
If you want learn ,you must buy tool buy used modules and test,read ,work with it. If i want something to learn i buy used modules,make bench setups and test hiw and what. And if then i dond understand ,than i write to support and what i did ,what tried and what not work or dint understand. Than im sure support will respond and give answers.
When you not even have tool and ask give free info.. no company will give you step by step support. This business not work like this

[super jumbe]

Lads the same way ECU gets locked you can unlock any ECU you just need the simple way to do them.....

[jodge]

Lads the same way ECU gets locked you can unlock any ECU you just need the simple way to do them.....


it's not that simple bcose the triggering events are not related the OBD at all.

Like this:

Triggers
- door(s) open
- ignition on
- unrecognized key
- alarm on

result:
-blocked obd communication

You can unblock the obd with previously lerned key (remote) but you can't unlock the obd with ignition off, door(s) closing...etc
Personally i don't see any hole here. The "normal" option (BDM programming) are closed and you don't have more connection option
The only way if the developer build in a backdoor. Like emergency switch+ brake pedal + putting some Carolina Reaper hot sauce to the dash and reciting a surah from the Holy Quran :D

i don't think the dealers are changing the BSI for fun

[metalik]

Hello, i have the same problem on Fiat 500 Abarth 2014 USA market, alarm is on and no communication with BSI. No eeprom on pcb only nec 70F3632, i search pinout for VVDIPROG or any other solution

[alex_r_2001]

If you ask questions about tech without buying tool or licences not expect any help.
There is thousands owners to work with.
Contact your dealers you bought.
Ray ray what you need? I sell these and got direct contact.

I purchased full software licenses for I/O terminal . I sent Andrus email months ago as well and never got any response.. I was having a problem with Volvo Dash Software thankfully I was able to resolve with another device...