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dbwarrior
13th August, 2020, 09:14 AM
Car is Citroen c5(x7) 2008 with 2.0 16V HDI(RHR)
6 speed Automatic transmission from Aisin Warner ( AWTF-80 SC ).
I had been studied almost 2 years this ecu and now i had been stuck for gear related limitations.
I made especially attached modified remap version for showing this issue.
Here is logged(used FAP app with android) values from gearbox ecu by gear 2 and gear 4

Gear 2 is showing limitation of 330Nm
time ___coolant pedal rev eng_TRQ request_TRQ
09:05:30.0 55 100 2146 248 270
09:05:30.4 55 100 2598 346 294
09:05:30.9 55 100 2887 330 358
09:05:31.3 55 100 2983 330 356
09:05:31.8 55 100 3256 330 328
09:05:32.2 55 100 3553 310 316
09:05:32.7 55 100 3628 300 292
09:05:33.2 55 100 3855 272 284
09:05:33.6 55 100 4063 268 272


Gear 4 is showing limitation of 350Nm.
time ____coolant pedal rev eng_TRQ request_TRQ
09:07:12.7 61 100 1358 216 212
09:07:13.2 61 100 1396 232 236
09:07:13.6 61 100 1464 252 250
09:07:14.1 61 100 1492 262 266
09:07:14.5 61 100 1563 272 270
09:07:15.0 61 100 1631 288 284
09:07:15.4 61 100 1683 308 298
09:07:15.9 61 100 1746 332 318
09:07:16.3 61 100 1805 348 356
09:07:16.8 61 100 1904 348 360
09:07:17.2 61 100 1951 348 364
09:07:17.7 61 100 2047 348 366
09:07:18.1 61 100 2144 348 366
09:07:18.6 61 100 2197 350 366
09:07:19.0 61 100 2313 350 366
09:07:19.5 61 100 2374 350 366
09:07:19.9 61 47 2425 350 302

So something is starting to llimit engine torque to 330 and 350Nm.

Things what is changed on file for pointing out that limitation is happen:
- un-used DW maps max values has been lowerder under 200Nm
- DW map(only one what is really affecting) is slightly modified to make flat DW(F7632)
- Smoke limitter is gained for allowing 400Nm
- Full load torque limitter is allowing 400Nm(F3162)
- Full load torque limitter(in case of AC fault) is lowered to 270Nm just for pointing that it is not used
- Torque limitter for engine speed is gained for allowing 400Nm
- Nm to IQ map is slighlty changed for allowing IQ70 at 400Nm
- IQ max values changed to 71mG
- boost maps changed to having scale for 400Nm
- Mechanical friction map modified to having flat "curve" for temp range 40,60and70celcius and 1300-300rpm
- Extra torque map modified to having flat qurve for rpm 1750-3000

And then something else what are not realted to demoing 330/350nm issue:
- EGR to on temperature rised to 35celcius from 10 degree
- Some dpf values changed for getting longer distances between regeneration of DPF

I would be really thankful for all tips & trics what help to solve this issue.
Also would be interested to hear is this only happen if car has automatic transmission.

dbwarrior
15th August, 2020, 06:38 PM
Car is Citroen c5(x7) 2008 with 2.0 16V HDI(RHR)
6 speed Automatic transmission from Aisin Warner ( AWTF-80 SC ).
I

Hi again.

Here is crappy video from Reduced torque request from gear box TCU.
As you see from video on timestamp 10s graph start drawing 350Nm during acceleration.
Gear change also causes Torque drop(obviously for comfort)
https://youtu.be/88Jevr8sbkM

VanDal91
19th August, 2020, 12:58 PM
try this, should work

VanDal91
19th August, 2020, 01:07 PM
ols project file as you requested