CUMMINS ECM CALIBRATING PROBLEM

[fenomenoide04]

HI, I HAVE A CUMMINS ECM, I TRIED CALIBRATE IT, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF PROCESS, THE SOFTWARE HAVE SENT A MESSAGE OF ERROR, AND NOW I CAN'T CONNECT TO ECM WITH CUMMINS INSITE... WHAT CAN I DO TO CONNECT?? :egg:

[hercamp]

sorry...but youre ecm is dead.

[servando]

he escuchado que al parecer con la version del esd se pueden recuperar.....yo ta tuve una experiensa parecida
y me salvaron el modulo recalibrandolo con esd
pero no lo he podido conseguir

[servando]

CORRECCION ES CON SDN

[mondao]

muy dificil de conseguir SDN que modulo es el que estas calibrando es isx.n14,isb,isc,

[jctech]

Your best bet is to take it to Cummins and get them to ROM Boot it

[rudamie]

Early Field Notification Number Revision Level Date
E03016 17-OCT-2003
Engine Family Fuel System
NH, NT
M11
CELECT Plus
CELECT Plus
Design Application Market Application
Automotive All
Industrial All

Early Field Notification

CELECT? Plus ReCon? and No-Communication Calibration Issues
Summary of the Early Field Notification

The purpose of the Early Warning is to inform the field to follow the Caution sticker attached to CELECT? Plus ReCon? ECMs. This Caution sticker details the procedure for initial power up of a reconditioned CELECT? Plus ECM. Adhering to this procedure can reduce the number of communication and calibration download errors.

New Caution stickers have been created. ReCon? began adding the revised stickers to the modules 09/04/2003. There were approximately 2400 ReCon? modules that did not have stickers produced between June?August time frame. Please use the procedure in this Early Warning to calibrate a ReCon? module that does not contain a sticker.
Affected Engines

CELECT? Plus N14 and M11 engines and all applications including ECM Part Numbers 3096662, 3408300 and 3408303.

Affects CELECT? Plus ReCon? and No-Communication ECMs.
Symptoms and Observations

None
Failure Verification

None
Suspected Cause

None
Potential Component Damage Assessment

None
Repair Instructions

INSITE? 6.x ReCon? ECM Procedure:

CAUTION

To calibrate this ECM, use the following steps:

1. Hook up battery power
2. Turn keyswitch ON for 10 seconds
3. Turn keyswitch OFF
4. Launch INSITE? 6.x
5. Connect
6. Click ?OK? to ROM boot message
7. Select ?Calibration Selection?
8. Choose the appropriate calibration code and transfer to ECM
9. Turn keyswitch ON when INSITE? 6.x prompts

Additional Service/Parts Topics regarding ECM communications:

* 99T19-5, 01-May-1999, Group 19, CELECT? Plus No-Communication ECM Test and Calibration Procedure (T725)
* 99T19-6, 01-May-1999, Group 19, Engine Datalinks: Connecting to an Engine's ECM (T679)
* 03T19-2, 01-Jan-2003, Group 19, ECM ROM Boot Procedure
* 03T19-19, 24-Jan-2003, Group 19, ECM No-Communication Troubleshooting Tree

Requested Failure Information

None
Last Modified: 20-Oct-2003
Feedback / Help
Copyright ? 2000-2009 Cummins Inc. All rights reserved.

[servando]

aka los estan reparando les cambiam la memoria y si quedan

[juanje]

yo deje un ecm en blanco intentando calibrarlo es un celect plus , me podria explicar que es sdn o si se pudiera solucionar como??

I leave a blank ecm is trying to calibrate Celect plus, I could explain what sdn or if it could solve like?

[dieselequipos]

LOs ecm cummins tiene un modulo boot debes haber dejado en blanco en cualquier calibracion y lo desconectas , y queda completamente en blanco , pero para inciarlo solo se puede en algunos modelos con booteo.

[makura]

yo deje un ecm en blanco intentando calibrarlo es un celect plus , me podria explicar que es sdn o si se pudiera solucionar como??

I leave a blank ecm is trying to calibrate Celect plus, I could explain what sdn or if it could solve like?
What you need to do is to just connect your ECM on the truck,turn your key on and them off after about 5 seconds,then connect to the ECM with your insite(insite has detected some ecm that is ROMBOOTED) click on yes them select the calibration you need from the incal list after selecting the part number of the ECM(390.....or something like that on data plate)run the calibration when it says turn key switch off,just click on ok,becouse the key is already off,follow every instruction to the end and you are done,no need to take it to cummins.
:canabis: hope this helps

[peter21]

disconect the power supply to the ecm for 5 minutes, then connect all and try...

[hercamp]

other way is getting the Calterm or other software call cummins Faset ..Im not too sure but these works and can boot the ecm ....

[dtrucks]

i am trying to change and M11 calbration to a N14 calibration is it possible to do and if so how??

[spakos]

fenomenoide04 if is a CELECT PLUS or earlier and the calibration was interrupted just try to reconnect with the ignition off when insite asks for turn ignition off just press OK
And make shure the calibration you putting is the correct for the ECM part number. that should work with a CELECT PLUS and earlies.
If is a CELECT leave the ignition on and desconnect the vehicle batterys, whait for about 3 minutes and turn ignition off and then reconnect the batterys, if that work you may be able o recalibrate the ECM but only going to work for a while bicause your ECM has something wrong inside.

dtrucks: yes you can M11 to a N14 just make shure the M11 ECM is compatible with the CPL on the N14 engine, and make shure you use the ECM part number calibration.
sorry about my english
regards....

[zds]

Hi. I tried calibrate Celect Plus m11-330 esp+ (ECM №- 3408300, code ECM - C20255.05) with C20255.11, but i had next message

The selected ECM Calibration has been superceded. Superceded calibrations below are grayed out and not available to be transferred to an ECM.The first replacement calibration in the list has been highlighted. Another replacement calibration may be selected from the list. Click the Send to ECM button to transfer the calibration to the ECM.
but in the list i have only my grayed out calibration.
incal - feb 2010, insite - 7.3
where i can find it? or with which calibration i can replace it?
where i can read in detail about different Calibration Parameters like a FR Option, SC Option, DO Option,PP comments and other? what they arу mean?

[MTCCC]

SPAKOS: WOULD U HAPPEN TO KNOW THE CALIBRATION AUTHORIZATION PASSWORD ????

[spakos]

Hi. I tried calibrate Celect Plus m11-330 esp+ (ECM №- 3408300, code ECM - C20255.05) with C20255.11, but i had next message

but in the list i have only my grayed out calibration.
incal - feb 2010, insite - 7.3
where i can find it? or with which calibration i can replace it?
where i can read in detail about different Calibration Parameters like a FR Option, SC Option, DO Option,PP comments and other? what they arу mean?


You need to filter your calibrations on insite, right clic on top of the calibrations, select "show active calibrations"


MTCCC: I think you need to have a "fleet calibration password" tools/options/fleet calibration counts/ADD
get you PCID and maybe somebody else on the forum can give you a fleet calibration count.
you need keygen for that
regards.

[zds]

You need to filter your calibrations on insite, right clic on top of the calibrations, select "show active calibrations"

i did this. but i got many calibrations for this engine. How to choose what from them is for me? i can't find calibration with all same parameters. and i don't know what's some of parameters meen (e.g. FR Option, SC Option, DO Option,PP comments....)
can somebody say which calibration (ECM code) most preferable for my engine

[spakos]

i did this. but i got many calibrations for this engine. How to choose what from them is for me? i can't find calibration with all same parameters. and i don't know what's some of parameters meen (e.g. FR Option, SC Option, DO Option,PP comments....)
can somebody say which calibration (ECM code) most preferable for my engine
I use the CPL and advertised power. check pics for example
regards

[Matrans]

Hi. I tried calibrate Celect Plus m11-330 esp+ (ECM №- 3408300, code ECM - C20255.05) with C20255.11, but i had next message

but in the list i have only my grayed out calibration.
incal - feb 2010, insite - 7.3
where i can find it? or with which calibration i can replace it?
where i can read in detail about different Calibration Parameters like a FR Option, SC Option, DO Option,PP comments and other? what they arу mean?
Try and use your CPL number up the top wich was CPL 2370 thats the most important one i came up with a lot of Active Calibrations for that Engine. Pick the HP you wont and make sure its an AUTOMOTIVE file not a Machinery file.

[Trucke]

Try using a fleet calibration count if you have one

[dieselequipos]

the problem is you change calibration numer no have on incal cd with this , you need upload differente calibration ,
prime filter on right click a available calibration

[hercamp]

other way is take the calibration with caltermIII or try to get from other ecm ...same if you have and download in boot mode...that can help

[hercamp]

hwo have worked with cummins FASET????

[mondao]

hwo have worked with cummins FASET????

what is this? hercam

[hercamp]

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7550/cumminsincfaset.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/cumminsincfaset.jpg/)

this Yfrog Image : yfrog.com/jqcumminsincfasetj - Uploaded by hercamp (http://yfrog.com/jqcumminsincfasetj)

[makura]

Hi. I tried calibrate Celect Plus m11-330 esp+ (ECM №- 3408300, code ECM - C20255.05) with C20255.11, but i had next message

but in the list i have only my grayed out calibration.
incal - feb 2010, insite - 7.3
where i can find it? or with which calibration i can replace it?
where i can read in detail about different Calibration Parameters like a FR Option, SC Option, DO Option,PP comments and other? what they arу mean?just ignore the mesage and send calibration to the ecm,it will work

[koldtruck]

we have a cummins isx 870 motor and cummins insite 7.3 pro, i cannot connect to the ecm, it seems the master,reset and adjustment password has been set by the previous owners. i can view it it read only mode though. could someone please help. thanks in advance

PCID# 21222984
expiry date: 29 mar 2011
functional password: 002-657-c44-75a-bf5-361

[dieselman77]

WHEN U RECALLIBRATE AN ECM FOR HORSEPOWER UPGRADE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PLUG DIRECTLY INTO THE ECM WITH THE 3 PIN DEUTSCH PLUG I BELIEVE IS WHAT THEY CALL IT AND DO IT FROM THERE IF U DO IT FROM THE PLUG IN THE CAB U CAN HAVE PROBLEMS WITH FAILURES

[spannermonkey]

Can anyone with the keygen give me fleetcal and password removal keys for insite 7.2?

[joshplianfield]

WHEN U RECALLIBRATE AN ECM FOR HORSEPOWER UPGRADE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PLUG DIRECTLY INTO THE ECM WITH THE 3 PIN DEUTSCH PLUG I BELIEVE IS WHAT THEY CALL IT AND DO IT FROM THERE IF U DO IT FROM THE PLUG IN THE CAB U CAN HAVE PROBLEMS WITH FAILURES


FYI for thise who don't know these are simple to make
3 pin connector w/pins $10 off ebay
9 pin truck connector from internatioanl $25
4 pins int connector $4
alligator clips for power and some red,black,green and yellow wire $10

If anyone wants i can post pics of mine later.

this allows you to plug your 9 pin nexiq conector directly to the ecm, this will also let you communicate with the dodge cummins trucks.

[dieselman77]

please do post pics of your connectors i will make my own if they are that easy and cheap to make thank you joshplianfield

[spannermonkey]

FYI for thise who don't know these are simple to make
3 pin connector w/pins $10 off ebay
9 pin truck connector from internatioanl $25
4 pins int connector $4
alligator clips for power and some red,black,green and yellow wire $10

If anyone wants i can post pics of mine later.

this allows you to plug your 9 pin nexiq conector directly to the ecm, this will also let you communicate with the dodge cummins trucks.
please post a picture or schematic of this adapter, i can probly get most of the bits from work for free to make it.

thanx

[dimitar22]

I have original inline 5 adapter and don't have this problem, i have original 2pin 3 pin cable.

[dimitar22]

Please i need help with calibration of ECM on N14.
When i search for available calibrations says no available calibrations for this ECM i use feb 2010 incal DVD. Tell me what is the problem or if any one can upload just the calibrations for the N14 ECM.

Thank you in advance.

[Belefronte]

HI, I HAVE A CUMMINS ECM, I TRIED CALIBRATE IT, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF PROCESS, THE SOFTWARE HAVE SENT A MESSAGE OF ERROR, AND NOW I CAN'T CONNECT TO ECM WITH CUMMINS INSITE... WHAT CAN I DO TO CONNECT?? :egg:

I got the same problem with a Celect Plus 370HP :(

[dieselman77]

you are probably plugged into the dash plug and if you are thats why. you have to plug into the 3 pin plug in the main engine harness under the hood to do a recalibration i hope u saved all the info before you tried to flash it or you are probably going to have to look all the specs up again and program them all in if it gave u and error code and it wont connect anymore the ecm probably erased when the connection broke from the computer hope this helped you out have a good one

[renesis]

hi, I have performed recalibrations many times thru the in-cab connector (9-pin DEUTSCH) no problem. But yes, you are right, it is better to connect directly to the ECM via the ECM connector instead of the in-cab connector to minimize any potential power failures.

Though rare, yes I have experience power failures to broken connections from the ECM connector to the 9pin deutsch connector. Just my 2 cents.

[superc0]

FYI for thise who don't know these are simple to make
3 pin connector w/pins $10 off ebay
9 pin truck connector from internatioanl $25
4 pins int connector $4
alligator clips for power and some red,black,green and yellow wire $10

If anyone wants i can post pics of mine later.

this allows you to plug your 9 pin nexiq conector directly to the ecm, this will also let you communicate with the dodge cummins trucks.

please upload the pictures:bounce:

[hercamp]

just need to see the electric diagram for celect or celect plus and ..will se there th j1708 and just plug direct to ecm...http://http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9865/j1587.jpg

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9865/j1587.jpg

[mondao]

someone has an idea what are the pin numbers, using this harness on calibration
to make one myself (maybe)

[S-GERAT]

Sorry for my english, but I'm spanish and don't dominate very good your language.I got some problem with finding a calibration file for the N14 in the incal dvds. I remember that I need to get a incal dvd from the summer of 2009/8 because in the last incal dvds it not appear. With the dead ecm I don't know what kind of harness are using to calibrate, but I have the original cummins harness and they have a button to some kind of rom boot. I never need to use it, and I don't know if it can bring to life your ecm..

Best Regards

[aaacrack]

Where i can buy online for Cummins Insite 5 Adapter kit? Unfortunately powerstore only ship to US & Canada.
I'm in Jakarta, Indonesia and will pay using paypal.
Thank you.

[Justfreehweelin]

from my experience it is safer always to hook directly to the ecm, as long as you have a break out harness, we also power the with a power supply when doing recals, have found for what ever reason other ecm's that are running on the j1939 will cause problems when trying to recal, plus just to be safe. only have found this issue with cummins, cat I have no problem going straight through the in cab conector. unless it crashes half way through, then use the breakout harness.

[Justfreehweelin]

if you post esn, I try and find pin config for anyone that requires it.
as for the pic mondao posted, same set up i use. never fails.

[anwar2010]

Thanks a lot! very usefull

[dieselman77]

can u post the wiring diagram for the n 14 and give the part number for the ecm plug thank you the cummins dealer for some reason cannot find the part without a number thanks again have a good one

[hercamp]

three pins deutch connector in the celect and celect plus ...u can find together to arnes A ..almost in the back side og engine exist this terminal ...and in the newer one ...its present too....

[renesis]

I have just purchased a datalink cable from Cummins, it is meant to connect the J1939 connector to a 9pin deutsch connector.
I attached a picture showing the connections for a 9-pin deutsch connector, and a PDF file with info regarding this cable

I have since tried it out on my ISBe engines, no problem. Only need to connect the following
1) Triangle - 3-pin J1939 connector
2) 2pin Battery (+24V, -24V)
3) 9 pin Deutsch male connector -> 9 pin Deutsch female connector (for my case via Inline 5 adapter).

Hope it helps those who are interested in making this connector. Seems relatively simple enough :)

[Justfreehweelin]

Dieselman77
for that n14 you wanted diagram, what fuel system is in it?

6 pin duetsch is
d-open
f-not used
c-batt +
e-batt -
a-data link +
b-data link -

A is pin 27 on ecm, B is pin 8, on connector b of course or oem connector.

[electrobato]

dear guys woul you be so kind and help with a problem with a Cummins Celect Plus 3408303
I was being able to acces to the ECM, but it told me that the ECM needed to be recalibrated, so I selected autodetect calibration and suggested the right for the truck,

I follow all the steps to recalibrate, but at the end of all the operations the last 3 steps failed and the calibration did not transfer succesful.

I did all of this from the conection inside the driver cab,

after not workinf the calibration download process, I decided to to try with the connection from the engine, and looked like it was going to work , because some more new bars reload... making look good, and before I was able to turn the ignition key on...

again the transfer failed, the laptop disconnect from the ecm and now

I can not with ECM....
what can I do... the ECM is like not detected.. insite tell me to check connection but I know all cables are good...

thanks in advance for your help...
I will appreciate it a lot any help...

[hercamp]

well..how look like the problem......youre ecm is blank and need program to boot mode..u need to have bench cable and inline or usb link that works with bench.
if the ecm is celect plus and is monted in a truck u most see near to ecm a diagnostic terminal deutch of 6 pins ...well almost all deutch 6 pins terminal works with 4 pins availibles ...but in the terminal have 5...to get boot u need to connect boot signal in a extra pin availible .if u want to try some ..just give a file to boot mode with calterm and u will see extra pin with energy.

[jacques69256925]

Hi all on digital kaos does someone have isx wire diagram fault chart list and wire diagram to calibrate ecm on isx

[dieselman77]

cummins celect plus has 6 pin connector around the ecm for recalibration you have to do it from there if it keeps failing go into the help section in insite and it has all the steps to take for recalibrating each ecm celect,celect plus, isx , ect. try looking at that first and see what it tells you to do if that does not answer your question google cummins ecm problems and you will find more information on how to fix the problem or you can ask MAKURA ,KAOMDE OR HERCAMP on the cummins calterm threads and he can probably help you he seem to know the most about recalibration problems good luck if you need any more help just ask i will help you anyway that i can

[Edrenan1]

You need to filter your calibrations on insite, right clic on top of the calibrations, select "show active calibrations"


MTCCC: I think you need to have a "fleet calibration password" tools/options/fleet calibration counts/ADD
get you PCID and maybe somebody else on the forum can give you a fleet calibration count.
you need keygen for that
regards.

when u open calibration disc on insite, after u select the the ECM number, right click on it, and check certifications, and pass all to right side, click accept , after coming all calibrations. Enjoi

[junebug]

Does anyone know what a footprinted ECM is and how to fix it. Insite connects and says ECM is calibrated, but has the wrong footprint and needs to be recalibrated. I try to recalibrate and it fails every time.

[hercamp]

how u are connecting ....this is ure problem...u have to connect ...in 2 deutch ,connector in celect...in celect plus y most connect to treangle with j1939...and the cal file is push into ecm....and the easier one is the deutch 6 pins terminal next to the ecm.

[junebug]

This is on an ISX with CM 570. I have calibrated several times thru the in cab port with no problems using Cummins Inline 5 and Cummins cables. I calibrated to a new setting with same CPL, and got the footprinted ECM error. Do I have to use the Deutch connection now that it is footprinted? I have never used the Deutch and will have to locate the connection and some cables.

[hercamp]

nop I think u most see in the calterm post and see the bench cables to get boot mode in youre ecm ....with it u can calibrate with any cal file...without problems.

[junebug]

I have looked at the Calterm thread, and was hoping I could get this fixed using Insite, which I currently use. I will look into the bench cables and see if I can make some work with Insite.

[jctech]

Does anyone know what a footprinted ECM is and how to fix it. Insite connects and says ECM is calibrated, but has the wrong footprint and needs to be recalibrated. I try to recalibrate and it fails every time.

A footprinted ECM is one that did not receive all its information the last time it was being written to, or was not powered down for long enough after the last write.
For example when powering down for 30 seconds after clearing faults or adjusting features and parameters.
Some say that a footprint can also occur if the batteries are disconnected with the keyswitch on, this usually brings up fault code 242.

A footprinted ECM will still operate correctly, but has the message that it requires recalibration, it will sometimes use a fleet count during recalibration even if the same cal code is selected

[nicamarcos]

aka los estan reparando les cambiam la memoria y si quedan

Yes, changing dumps for 2x 28f512 and 28c64 flash on CELECT PLUS ecus. :)

[dieselman77]

YOU NEED INCAL TO FIND THE CALIBRATION YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AND YOU NEED FLEET CALIBRATION COUNTS TO AUTHORIZE THE CALIBRATION FOR A CELECT PLUS YOU NEED TO USE THE 6 PIN PLUG AROUND THE ECM UNDER THE HOOD. IM NOT SURE WHAT MORE INFORMATION YOU NEED BUT I WILL GLADLY HELP YOU IF I CAN HAVE A GOOD ONE

[joluya]

hi im new in forum

[Berovo]

Hi guys,

Can anyone tell me if the 5 sec. procedure works on CM850?
I can't connect to ECM after recalibration, The last three lines from the report were saying unsuccessful, and now I can't even starrt the engine.

Thank you all

[hercamp]

well. I have seen some problems like that. and all can be repair if u have connection with ecm by j1587 or j1939
with that u can push the cal file into ecm ...with room boot .turn on ignition and off before try to connect to ecm
if that not works ...roo boot not availible from ignition and...
(problem: u need to make special cables for it)

[renesis]

Does anyone know what a footprinted ECM is and how to fix it. Insite connects and says ECM is calibrated, but has the wrong footprint and needs to be recalibrated. I try to recalibrate and it fails every time.

Everynow and then I encounter footprinted ECM message when connecting to the ECM. This usually occurs when Insite hangs during a Adjust Parameters/Creating Image function and I have to Ctrl-Alt-Del to End Task Insite.

The ECM will still work, start normally..etc, but any further diagnosis is not possible until I recalibrate the ECM. For my case it is usually the OEM's fault as the unswitched power supply is cut off due to wrong connection to the keyswitch. Just my 2 cents.

[jacques69256925]

Hi all at DK can anyone tell me what is the rom boot button on ecm calibration harness for

[S-GERAT]

Is for connect to a ecm that have a wrong calibration and not connect normally . I remember if you use that button you need to calibrate the ecm, but I'm not sure.

Regards

[integraph]

The "Rom Boot" switch puts the ECM in a bootrom mode, which means the calibration is not loaded in memory when the ECM is powered up. If the ECM is rombooted, the engine won't start. At this point, you must recalibrate the ECM (either with Insite or Calterm). By the way, to put an ECM on bootrom mode, you have to close the keyswitch, than hold the "Rom boot" switch and turn the keyswitch ON. Release the "Rom boot" switch then turn the keyswitch OFF, then ON (to reboot the ECM). After this sequence, the ECM will be rom booted.

You will need to use this switch in some situation like: when a calibration download fails and you can't connect on an ECM, if you can't connect to an ECM because of a corrupted memory block, etc. I work with fairly recent ECMs (CM870 and higher) and don't have to use it often. However, I had to use it a few times on CELECT ECMs.

[kwagga]

Hi there
Can anyone help me with a fleetcount for PCID 6D5E4298
Build version 7.02.0.362 SP2

[dimitar22]

Hi there
Can anyone help me with a fleetcount for PCID 6D5E4298
Build version 7.02.0.362 SP2


Here you go

Fleet callibration counts FSS9188ED7E8091318

If it is ok press thanks button.

[kwagga]

Thanks a lot . I need to cal a QST 30 and you helped me a lot .
I am in south africa

[zds]

i need recalibrate killed ECM (cummins m11). i haven't ECM Bench Calibration Base Harness to do ECM ROM Boot Procedure. and i haven't possibility to buy it. so I want to make it myself.
i researched m11 wiring diagram and made my diagram duplicated ECM Bench Calibration Base Harness
please check it. is it right?
but it isn't finished. i don't know how to connect the ROM boot switch (1)? which wire or pins is it close? please draw it on my diagram.
thanks in advance
i think this will be useful for other

[benjamin8989]

In some models of trucks and the connectors of 6 and 9 pins do not have motors and you are difficult to diagnose...The drawing the companion made out q of the forum this very well ... even I create q the diagnostic truco.de found ... If they have wing I gush the connector of 6 pins no longer the 2 signs of protocols and 2 of nutrition and to diagnosticar..les look for the diagram I clarify there are diagrams for each kind of motor......Greetings atodos give them the forum....

[dimitar22]

Why do you start new thread when there is all ready that kind of thread?

[hercamp]

well ....m8 in celect ecm....u dont need rom boot ..or bench arness.....because in that ecm?s was not availible option bootrom....u need to try ...to connect to ecm with ignition off....if u cant with it....try open and close ignition 3 times and try to connect with insite.

I hope that help u.

[jacques69256925]

Hi all you can not calibrate a isx ecm with a ic4 adapter is there another way please let me know

[zion2528]

How can I check if my old Inline 1 adapter is dead? Thanx much.

[Poptest]

I've made a ROM boot cable from DG post contributions, and I hope the connections are correct.

Please tell me step by step procedure how to perform a ROM boot on Celect Plus ECMs.

Many thanks to you all.

[mega357]

Hello, I want to calibrate ЕСМ Select plus. In it the insertion select plus ind is sewn up. Now I can't stitch it under select plus. What to do? Sorry my english.

[Poptest]

HI, I HAVE A CUMMINS ECM, I TRIED CALIBRATE IT, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF PROCESS, THE SOFTWARE HAVE SENT A MESSAGE OF ERROR, AND NOW I CAN'T CONNECT TO ECM WITH CUMMINS INSITE... WHAT CAN I DO TO CONNECT?? :egg:

Hello, I'm experiencing the same problem you had last January. I was downloading a calibration to an M11 Celect Plus ECM when it just stopped. After this, Insite could not communicate with ECM ever. I tried ROM Boot..... no success. Were you ever able to revive your ECM.

[mega357]

Hello!!! Who can help me? A problem such, I want to make block calibration. But Insite after connection to ECM passes in functional level Basic, and doesn't allow to calibrate. Forgive for my English!

[mega357]

Please help me with Insite!

[wallypw]

Can Cummins Celect ECM be program with a different calibration.
That is use a calibration not match the ECM part #
for example if program with M11 cal can I change to N14 cal

[RSwire]

Here is a program to check ecm cal history.



Never used it as I don't do calibrating.

[Poptest]

Can Cummins Celect ECM be program with a different calibration. Yes.

That is use a calibration not match the ECM part #. No this is not possible.

for example if program with M11 cal can I change to N14 cal? Yes you can......as long as the calibration you select is listed under the ECM you are calibrating. But you have to consider other things so that the engine will not be damaged, and so that it will perform well.

[elslow]

can some one help me please i am trying to calibrate a celectplus ecm itndid error when calibrating i put in bootroom
ok but when i put new calibration it stops at 70 percent and it tell me down load fail am i doing something wrong
please help me i am stuck i tried it 3 times and its the same
thank you in advance:rangers:

[donniemnemonic]

hi all seems this thread has become inactive. Could someone kindly tell me what the difference is between linehaul and vocational. I know linehaul is for the road trucks and vocational is for fire trucks, tippers, school buses, etc. What I want to know is the effect of calibrating a linehaul ecm with a vocational calibration and vice-versa?
many thanks in advance...

[jctech]

Can Cummins Celect ECM be program with a different calibration. Yes.

That is use a calibration not match the ECM part #. No this is not possible.

for example if program with M11 cal can I change to N14 cal? Yes you can......as long as the calibration you select is listed under the ECM you are calibrating. But you have to consider other things so that the engine will not be damaged, and so that it will perform well.


A Celect Plus ECM with a N14 code will not work if fitted onto a M11 engine. The Injector wiring is on different pins for M11 and N14

A Celect ECM can do this, it will work but not advised, It will work for Celect but not Celect Plus

[jctech]

Hello!!! Who can help me? A problem such, I want to make block calibration. But Insite after connection to ECM passes in functional level Basic, and doesn't allow to calibrate. Forgive for my English!

You need to change functionality level to Pro, with Pro password.
Look on Insite 7.4 thread, put your PCID there and ask for passwords

[jctech]

hi all seems this thread has become inactive. Could someone kindly tell me what the difference is between linehaul and vocational. I know linehaul is for the road trucks and vocational is for fire trucks, tippers, school buses, etc. What I want to know is the effect of calibrating a linehaul ecm with a vocational calibration and vice-versa?
many thanks in advance...

The difference is mainly in the parameter setup, linehaul will have cruise control set up for the particular OEM etc.
There may also be calibration differences such as cruise control gain and fueling tables set up for linehaul operation.

Vocational will have PTO set up to suit the OEM and calibration differences such as low speed fueling tables more suited to the type of operation expected by the type of vehicle.

[Texas149]

Ok so I just got the August 2010 Incal set up and when I hooked up to an ISX CM870, Insite could not find calibrations for the selected ECM Part number which is 3684009. Anyone know why the cal isn't there? I opened up other Cals for different ECM numbers and they show up. Anyone know what's wrong?

[Juanincho]

Ok so I just got the August 2010 Incal set up and when I hooked up to an ISX CM870, Insite could not find calibrations for the selected ECM Part number which is 3684009. Anyone know why the cal isn't there? I opened up other Cals for different ECM numbers and they show up. Anyone know what's wrong?

Remember there are 2 discs for Aug2010, are you using the right one? Are you applying filters at the cal selection window?

[Texas149]

Sorry Guys. I turned idiot for a moment. I didn't select the proper certification code.

[Juanincho]

Sorry Guys. I turned idiot for a moment. I didn't select the proper certification code.

Don't worry. Sh!t happens. :wavey:

[Lenuk]

Hi there
To make a harness up like in the pictures Mondao posted does anyone know what pin goes to what or where and exactly what is needed or even where i can even buy the correct cable
Cheers
Len

[MANYCERO]

I get the yellow symbol comport and I can not connect I get error, I can do I can help, thanks

[Texas149]

A friend of mine gave me a cable the 3-pin, 2-pin data cable for the cummins inline interface. He doesn't do programming so he didn't need it. It's cummins part number 3165141. I use the nexiq usb-link so i cut the 25-pin connector off and wired it to the Deutche 9-pin plug. However I can't seem to establish a connection when hooked to the ecm of an ISX. It's just like the cable in post 50. Anyone got any idea? I checked the power/ground and checked the J1939 wiring. It should be working

[rudamie]

A friend of mine gave me a cable the 3-pin, 2-pin data cable for the cummins inline interface. He doesn't do programming so he didn't need it. It's cummins part number 3165141. I use the nexiq usb-link so i cut the 25-pin connector off and wired it to the Deutche 9-pin plug. However I can't seem to establish a connection when hooked to the ecm of an ISX. It's just like the cable in post 50. Anyone got any idea? I checked the power/ground and checked the J1939 wiring. It should be working


Hello Texas149,
check this thread out it may give you your answer. The fallows there did great work getting all this put together. The pictures are also their work. I just got it all together for you to make things easier.
Link:
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f164/cummins-ecm-repair-tips-123306/index8.html

I feel your missing the 120ohm resistor needed for the J1939 on your adapter to work. The Communication Area Network or "CAN" signals travel on this backbone, there are two end of line resistors to total 240ohms. so when your connection is presented, your J1939 connection needs to have an in-line 120ohm resistor on the CAN Low side or your connection will never communicate. the pic diagrams show you were things go. the pdf has the connector lables help ID pin locations. again this is all their hard work. thank them if it helps you. ( zds, hercamp, mondao, alsop, jctech, peter21)

Hope this helps you.

[jctech]

A friend of mine gave me a cable the 3-pin, 2-pin data cable for the cummins inline interface. He doesn't do programming so he didn't need it. It's cummins part number 3165141. I use the nexiq usb-link so i cut the 25-pin connector off and wired it to the Deutche 9-pin plug. However I can't seem to establish a connection when hooked to the ecm of an ISX. It's just like the cable in post 50. Anyone got any idea? I checked the power/ground and checked the J1939 wiring. It should be working

The three pin triangle connector is J1939 data, the two pin weatherpack is battery voltage supply for the inline adapter.
Did you get J1939 pos. and neg. round the right way?, the sheild only gets grounded at the ECM end.

[jctech]

Hello Texas149,
check this thread out it may give you your answer. The fallows there did great work getting all this put together. The pictures are also their work. I just got it all together for you to make things easier.
Link:
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f164/cummins-ecm-repair-tips-123306/index8.html

I feel your missing the 120ohm resistor needed for the J1939 on your adapter to work. The Communication Area Network or "CAN" signals travel on this backbone, there are two end of line resistors to total 240ohms. so when your connection is presented, your J1939 connection needs to have an in-line 120ohm resistor on the CAN Low side or your connection will never communicate. the pic diagrams show you were things go. the pdf has the connector lables help ID pin locations. again this is all their hard work. thank them if it helps you. ( zds, hercamp, mondao, alsop, jctech, peter21)

Hope this helps you.

It depends which engine you have if the 120 ohm resistors are in the harness,
safest is to measure the resistance between J1939 + and J1939 -, on the engine harness, you need to unplug the ECM to do this.
2 x 120 ohm resistors = 60 ohms

[rudamie]

jctech,
Thanks for your input. That is correct. combined input will resort to Texas149 to solving his problem. I have attached some pdf doc's that will help Texas149 a little more.

Texas149,
these pdf's have pinouts that you can use to test your connections. if any thing we'll get you wired stright.

Cheers fallows Share On...! Woot Woot
Hope this helps.

[Lenuk]

Hi there
Can anyone help, i am looking for a calibration file for a
QSB 5.9-205
ECM
Type: CM550
P/N 3990517
E/C J91691.01
Do you know where i can find ? got incal august 2010 DVD 1 and 2 but dont seem to be anything to match on there ?

Regards
Len

[rudamie]

Hi there
Can anyone help, i am looking for a calibration file for a
QSB 5.9-205
ECM
Type: CM550
P/N 3990517
E/C J91691.01
Do you know where i can find ? got incal august 2010 DVD 1 and 2 but dont seem to be anything to match on there ?

Regards
Len

Lenuk,
here is a text doc with download link for incal Aug2010

This is not my work I just pasted to a text doc.

Enjoy dont forget to het the thanks button.

[Lenuk]

Lenuk,
here is a text doc with download link for incal Aug2010

This is not my work I just pasted to a text doc.

Enjoy dont forget to het the thanks button.

Hi Rudamie;
Thanks for that but i have already got Incal August 2010 and cant seem to find a calibration that covers this ECM ?
Was wanting to know if anyone knew if any older version of Incal included a calibration for this CM550 ECM ?.
Also do you know why some of the releases of Incal people are posting or saying they got, are:
Incal March 2010
Incal April 2010
Incal August 2010
Incal Sept 2010

etc
The way i understand it, it is released every 6 months so why so many different dates or months ?
or is say March/April the same release just people naming it differently, the same with August/Sept ?.

Hope you can help or know anyone that can or anyone reading this thread, esp with the ECM Calibration.

Cheers
regards
Lenuk

[bustech]

Hi Rudamie;
Thanks for that but i have already got Incal August 2010 and cant seem to find a calibration that covers this ECM ?
Was wanting to know if anyone knew if any older version of Incal included a calibration for this CM550 ECM ?.
Also do you know why some of the releases of Incal people are posting or saying they got, are:
Incal March 2010
Incal April 2010
Incal August 2010
Incal Sept 2010

etc
The way i understand it, it is released every 6 months so why so many different dates or months ?
or is say March/April the same release just people naming it differently, the same with August/Sept ?.

Hope you can help or know anyone that can or anyone reading this thread, esp with the ECM Calibration.

Cheers
regards
Lenuk

Cummins releases new incal dvd's to subscibers every month unless there was no additions or changes.

The dvd's expire after 6 months, to ensure the you use the most up to date calibration. So if you have the Aug '10 you don't really need to worry about finding a newer release until January. Or if you only use a few of the cals on the dvd you can modify the .dat file and .mbd file inside the .cmp archive with winrar to extend the expiration.

[Texas149]

A Special Thanks to RUDAMIE and JCTECH for all the support. You guys ROCK!

[mecaniquito]

i all how to calibrate a ECM ISB engine but I have no serial number and the engine ECM and how incalculable the truck model is 2011

[Poptest]

I am now studying the possibility of reprogramming a Celect or Celect Plus ECM from automotive to genset application. Has anyone done this?

[Juanincho]

I am now studying the possibility of reprogramming a Celect or Celect Plus ECM from automotive to genset application. Has anyone done this?

You have to check if the ecm part number is in the cpl of the genset engine, post that cpl number to check if that ecm will work with that engine. :bebored:

[RSwire]

Has any one tested recalibrating with an IC4 interface? I ran across a footprinted ecm yesterday and would like to know if it is possible with my interface. Thanks guys.

[dieselman77]

As long as your interface will connect with the ecm and show all the options it should work just fine what are you trying to reprogram isx, n14 etc

[RSwire]

It was an ISB, when I connected to it it came up with a error that the ecm footprinted, it needed to be recalibrated before I could do anything, IT SUCKS! I had to send it to a dealer in fear I might make it worse if done wrong. I've connected to other cummins ecms and this is the first that was footprinted. I know the last garage that played with it and they could fcuk up a rock.

[gtchoryk]

It was an ISB, when I connected to it it came up with a error that the ecm footprinted, it needed to be recalibrated before I could do anything, IT SUCKS! I had to send it to a dealer in fear I might make it worse if done wrong. I've connected to other cummins ecms and this is the first that was footprinted. I know the last garage that played with it and they could fcuk up a rock.

rswire,
i have had same problem with celect plus n14 could not burn it through rom burn so i started with key on and flash froze up at 96% when it was restoring saved features and parameters and did not finish sat there for about 1/2 hr at 96%. so i alt control delete insite to close and try to start engine and it started. but when i hook up insite same error ecm footprinted. could not read parameters, codes, data ect. but i was able to start flash again through calibration and second time if finished on its own all i had to do is manually set in all the paramters. but it worked. i used a dearborn group usb4+ adapter

[gentechie]

would some body help me with the bench harness schematic for QSK60G CENSE exhaust temperature module bought a new one as the old got faulty

[hungvi2004]

Cummins releases new incal dvd's to subscibers every month unless there was no additions or changes.

The dvd's expire after 6 months, to ensure the you use the most up to date calibration. So if you have the Aug '10 you don't really need to worry about finding a newer release until January. Or if you only use a few of the cals on the dvd you can modify the .dat file and .mbd file inside the .cmp archive with winrar to extend the expiration.

Dear Brother,

I have cummin incal august, 2010. Now i can not using it because it is expired date. As you talk we can extend expitation, please to guidance me step to steps. thanks.
58132

[donniemnemonic]

Dear Brother,

I have cummin incal august, 2010. Now i can not using it because it is expired date. As you talk we can extend expitation, please to guidance me step to steps. thanks.
58132

Hi m8
Enter "cummins incal solutions and tips" in search space and go thru this thread you will find what you need here.

[eng_sayedelabd]

hi , i have ECM p.n 4898112 belongs to 4ISBe genset
warning lamp is illuminated due inactive faults i found
on ecm when loged with insite , i cleared all faults
but it appear allover again so i recalibrated ecm
but also same faults appear again despite using that ecm
on another working genset
any help

[donniemnemonic]

hi , i have ECM p.n 4898112 belongs to 4ISBe genset
warning lamp is illuminated due inactive faults i found
on ecm when loged with insite , i cleared all faults
but it appear allover again so i recalibrated ecm
but also same faults appear again despite using that ecm
on another working genset
any help

Hi m8.
Have had a similar problem in the past but was a celect ecm. What are the fault copdes that keep on reappearing? Give me the list of these codes and maybe I can help you.

[jctech]

hi , i have ECM p.n 4898112 belongs to 4ISBe genset
warning lamp is illuminated due inactive faults i found
on ecm when loged with insite , i cleared all faults
but it appear allover again so i recalibrated ecm
but also same faults appear again despite using that ecm
on another working genset
any help

The warning lamp should not be on for "inactive" faults, only active.
List the fault codes and we will try to help you.

[chupermistico]

hy
how to unlock ecm n-14 does not connect

[donniemnemonic]

hy
how to unlock ecm n-14 does not connect

Hi m8
Sorry but your post is vague. Give more info so someone can help you. Like for instance what are you trying to connect to? Is your ecm on a truck or hooked up to bench cables. More intel please...

[chupermistico]

Can not connect to INSITE TO ECM N-14.
Recalibration WAS ACCIDENT Disconnect the batteries. APPARENTLY IS LOCK

[donniemnemonic]

Can not connect to INSITE TO ECM N-14.
Recalibration WAS ACCIDENT Disconnect the batteries. APPARENTLY IS LOCK

Search the forums for a rom boot cable for celect/celect plus ecms. Is your ecm celect or celect plus? Or you can try to disconnect your batteries for a while then reconnect them and turn your ignition on for 5 seconds then off again and try to connect to insite. This will work if it is a celect plus ecm if it is celect you will have to try with the key on.

[donniemnemonic]

Search the forums for a rom boot cable for celect/celect plus ecms. Is your ecm celect or celect plus? Or you can try to disconnect your batteries for a while then reconnect them and turn your ignition on for 5 seconds then off again and try to connect to insite. This will work if it is a celect plus ecm if it is celect you will have to try with the key on.

Read thru the cummins ecm repair thread by Makura and you will find all the info you need to resuscitate your ecm.

[superc0]

i need recalibrate killed ECM (cummins m11). i haven't ECM Bench Calibration Base Harness to do ECM ROM Boot Procedure. and i haven't possibility to buy it. so I want to make it myself.
i researched m11 wiring diagram and made my diagram duplicated ECM Bench Calibration Base Harness
please check it. is it right?
but it isn't finished. i don't know how to connect the ROM boot switch (1)? which wire or pins is it close? please draw it on my diagram.
thanks in advance
i think this will be useful for other
hi my friend i see your diagram and tell me this works?
thanks.

[hercamp]

yeah superc0.....its works .just try that and will see. all popsted in this thread is working well.

I ve done a lot of times.good luk

[hungvi2004]

The "Rom Boot" switch puts the ECM in a bootrom mode, which means the calibration is not loaded in memory when the ECM is powered up. If the ECM is rombooted, the engine won't start. At this point, you must recalibrate the ECM (either with Insite or Calterm). By the way, to put an ECM on bootrom mode, you have to close the keyswitch, than hold the "Rom boot" switch and turn the keyswitch ON. Release the "Rom boot" switch then turn the keyswitch OFF, then ON (to reboot the ECM). After this sequence, the ECM will be rom booted.

You will need to use this switch in some situation like: when a calibration download fails and you can't connect on an ECM, if you can't connect to an ECM because of a corrupted memory block, etc. I work with fairly recent ECMs (CM870 and higher) and don't have to use it often. However, I had to use it a few times on CELECT ECMs.

Thank a lot

please help me to tell step to step to bootmode the ecm

the first, .....
the second, ...

finally,.....

thanks

[hungvi2004]

Hello Texas149,
check this thread out it may give you your answer. The fallows there did great work getting all this put together. The pictures are also their work. I just got it all together for you to make things easier.
Link:
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f164/cummins-ecm-repair-tips-123306/index8.html

I feel your missing the 120ohm resistor needed for the J1939 on your adapter to work. The Communication Area Network or "CAN" signals travel on this backbone, there are two end of line resistors to total 240ohms. so when your connection is presented, your J1939 connection needs to have an in-line 120ohm resistor on the CAN Low side or your connection will never communicate. the pic diagrams show you were things go. the pdf has the connector lables help ID pin locations. again this is all their hard work. thank them if it helps you. ( zds, hercamp, mondao, alsop, jctech, peter21)

Hope this helps you.

Dear Friends

i used this diagram to connect with ISM CM870 by nexiq usb link, but can not connect.

ECM information : p/n: 3683289; s/n: 23013908
d/c: 12132003; esn: 35088944 ; e/c: AG20124
62991

the first time, i use only pin 10, 20 for j1708 & pin 39 of 50 pin connector for IGN 12v+ & pin 1-2-3-4 for power supply. the result is not connect with error number 5204.

"Error Number : 5204

Communication between the datalink adapter and the ECM could not be established."

the second time, additional i used pin 1-2-11-25 of 50 pin connector, i also recived the same result = cannot connect.

the third time, i try change to N14 ecm, the result ok, it connected.
i don't understand

[hungvi2004]

PLEASE HELP ME, THANKS

[jctech]

Dear Friends

i used this diagram to connect with ISM CM870 by nexiq usb link, but can not connect.

ECM information : p/n: 3683289; s/n: 23013908
d/c: 12132003; esn: 35088944 ; e/c: AG20124
62991

the first time, i use only pin 10, 20 for j1708 & pin 39 of 50 pin connector for IGN 12v+ & pin 1-2-3-4 for power supply. the result is not connect with error number 5204.

"Error Number : 5204

Communication between the datalink adapter and the ECM could not be established."

the second time, additional i used pin 1-2-11-25 of 50 pin connector, i also recived the same result = cannot connect.

the third time, i try change to N14 ecm, the result ok, it connected.
i don't understand

I would use J1939, you need to use one 60 ohm resister or two 120 ohm resistors across J1939+ and J1939-

[hungvi2004]

I would use J1939, you need to use one 60 ohm resister or two 120 ohm resistors across J1939+ and J1939-

thanks for your reply,

therefore this ecm can not with j1708, we can only using j1939.

hi friend, what do you do to rom boot this ecm?

do you have ism cm870 diagram? if you have it, please give me, thanks for advand

[hungvi2004]

Early Field Notification Number Revision Level Date
E03016 17-OCT-2003
Engine Family Fuel System
NH, NT
M11
CELECT Plus
CELECT Plus
Design Application Market Application
Automotive All
Industrial All

Early Field Notification

CELECT? Plus ReCon? and No-Communication Calibration Issues
Summary of the Early Field Notification

The purpose of the Early Warning is to inform the field to follow the Caution sticker attached to CELECT? Plus ReCon? ECMs. This Caution sticker details the procedure for initial power up of a reconditioned CELECT? Plus ECM. Adhering to this procedure can reduce the number of communication and calibration download errors.

New Caution stickers have been created. ReCon? began adding the revised stickers to the modules 09/04/2003. There were approximately 2400 ReCon? modules that did not have stickers produced between June?August time frame. Please use the procedure in this Early Warning to calibrate a ReCon? module that does not contain a sticker.
Affected Engines

CELECT? Plus N14 and M11 engines and all applications including ECM Part Numbers 3096662, 3408300 and 3408303.

Affects CELECT? Plus ReCon? and No-Communication ECMs.
Symptoms and Observations

None
Failure Verification

None
Suspected Cause

None
Potential Component Damage Assessment

None
Repair Instructions

INSITE? 6.x ReCon? ECM Procedure:

CAUTION

To calibrate this ECM, use the following steps:

1. Hook up battery power
2. Turn keyswitch ON for 10 seconds
3. Turn keyswitch OFF
4. Launch INSITE? 6.x
5. Connect
6. Click ?OK? to ROM boot message
7. Select ?Calibration Selection?
8. Choose the appropriate calibration code and transfer to ECM
9. Turn keyswitch ON when INSITE? 6.x prompts

Additional Service/Parts Topics regarding ECM communications:

* 99T19-5, 01-May-1999, Group 19, CELECT? Plus No-Communication ECM Test and Calibration Procedure (T725)
* 99T19-6, 01-May-1999, Group 19, Engine Datalinks: Connecting to an Engine's ECM (T679)
* 03T19-2, 01-Jan-2003, Group 19, ECM ROM Boot Procedure
* 03T19-19, 24-Jan-2003, Group 19, ECM No-Communication Troubleshooting Tree

Requested Failure Information

None
Last Modified: 20-Oct-2003
Feedback / Help
Copyright ? 2000-2009 Cummins Inc. All rights reserved.


Hi Rudamie

Thanks for your words

But i can not connect the ecm when keyswitch OFF with Insite 7.4

I only connect to ecm when the keyswitch is ON.

I have done step to step following as your instruction but the ecm still not change to romboot.


please help me instruction clearly to romboot ecm.

i have made the diagram as sam as the below picture

63157

I don't know effect of pin 10, 12, 14 of connector B. are we connected them to ground or + via switch 1?
how will we control keyswitch 2 and switch 1 to romboot ecm?

please help me to clearly this matter, thanks

[mondao]

thanks for your reply,

therefore this ecm can not with j1708, we can only using j1939.

hi friend, what do you do to rom boot this ecm?

do you have ism cm870 diagram? if you have it, please give me, thanks for advand
ISM_CM870_4021384

[hungvi2004]

ISM_CM870_4021384


this diagram for ecm p/n 3682728. My ecm have p/n: 3683289
Two above ecm have power diagram very different,

ecm p/n 3682728: pin 1 - 3 is -; 2 -4 is +
but p/n: 3683289 pin 1-2 is -; 3-4 is +

[layth]

What you need to do is to just connect your ECM on the truck,turn your key on and them off after about 5 seconds,then connect to the ECM with your insite(insite has detected some ecm that is ROMBOOTED) click on yes them select the calibration you need from the incal list after selecting the part number of the ECM(390.....or something like that on data plate)run the calibration when it says turn key switch off,just click on ok,becouse the key is already off,follow every instruction to the end and you are done,no need to take it to cummins.
:canabis: hope this helps
Are these nots for celect plus ECM!!!! I have ISM CM875 I tried to recalibrate but I failed can I used this nots with ISM CM875 ?
thanks

[layth]

ISM_CM870_4021384
.................................................. ..........
Please do you have circuit diagram for ISM CM 570
Thanks

[layth]

part # 3408501

[bravealikhatri]

Can anyone assist me:

Following error is displayed on HMI after installation of cense module part no. 3098771 (QSV 91 Gas engine):


It shows negative 17 ( - 17 ) degree C on all 18 cylinders for exhaust temperature parameter.

I think this error can be fixed if the card is re calibrated.

How to calibrate the card? Which software? I Tried INSITE but not worked

[jctech]

Can anyone assist me:

Following error is displayed on HMI after installation of cense module part no. 3098771 (QSV 91 Gas engine):


It shows negative 17 ( - 17 ) degree C on all 18 cylinders for exhaust temperature parameter.

I think this error can be fixed if the card is re calibrated.

How to calibrate the card? Which software? I Tried INSITE but not worked


If this is a CPG genset the HMI is usually from Siemens (all the ones I have seen are), they are programmed with Siemens Simaitic Step 7 software.
Can you see exhaust temperatures in the Cense module.
You have to install Insite for Cense (on the Insite CD ROM) to view Cense info or calibrate the Cense ECM.

[bravealikhatri]

If this is a CPG genset the HMI is usually from Siemens (all the ones I have seen are), they are programmed with Siemens Simaitic Step 7 software.
Can you see exhaust temperatures in the Cense module.
You have to install Insite for Cense (on the Insite CD ROM) to view Cense info or calibrate the Cense ECM.


Okay thanks Let me install and check this

[bravealikhatri]

I am unable To connect to Cense Module can you help

i am using inline V insite connects but insite cense unable to connect

[Poptest]

Hello DK,

May I ask the difference between a Dominion type controller and a GCS? Cummins says that a Dominion controller cannot be calibrated by Inpower.

Thank you in advance.

[hpcummins]

.................................................. ..........
Please do you have circuit diagram for ISM CM 570
Thanks
Here it is in a flash player file.

[jctech]

Hello DK,

May I ask the difference between a Dominion type controller and a GCS? Cummins says that a Dominion controller cannot be calibrated by Inpower.

Thank you in advance.
A Dominion controller and GCS controller are the same thing, what is the engine serial number or dominion controller part number.

[layth]

Here it is in a flash player file.
PLZ could you send it again its not opened with me
thanks

[hercamp]

I am unable To connect to Cense Module can you help

i am using inline V insite connects but insite cense unable to connect


try to connect inline V from a com port , 1 or 2 ,

go to propierties of hard disc and find hardware / device manager and look into ports if you are able to selecet port comm ..always thats programs try to find port 1 oe 2 comms.

[hercamp]

Are these nots for celect plus ECM!!!! I have ISM CM875 I tried to recalibrate but I failed can I used this nots with ISM CM875 ?
thanks


not, you need special connection for that .

if you cant connect ion manual from calterm and force to boot ...pm . I will help you.

[Poptest]

A Dominion controller and GCS controller are the same thing, what is the engine serial number or dominion controller part number.

Hello jctech..... ESN is 37211266. Cummins was testing this engine on their dyno with their dominion controller. The engine's original ECM was not hooked up. I was not able to witness the test though.

I would like to know if there is an ECM which can be adjusted to test various engines.

Thanks...

[jctech]

Hello jctech..... ESN is 37211266. Cummins was testing this engine on their dyno with their dominion controller. The engine's original ECM was not hooked up. I was not able to witness the test though.

I would like to know if there is an ECM which can be adjusted to test various engines.

Thanks...

I do not know why they would use their own GCS controller rather than the controller from the engine, maybe because it was too difficult to swap over, maybe because of the capabilities of the dyno or load bank.
The GCS (Dominion) controller will only run the engine type it was made for. The GCS controller for a QSX 15 will only run a QSX15, the GCS controller for a QSK45/60 will only run a QSK45/60, the same for a QST30.
The 3 GCS controllers have different part numbers, different pinouts and if you try to calibrate with the wrong engine type calibration you will brick the GCS controller.
The GCS controller must be calibrated with a calibration to suit the CPL of the engine being controlled by the GCS (just like any other ECM).

[doloman]

HI All DK mambers. I need help. I need calibration Cummins 11645554 CPL 1193. Incal 2008-2011 has not calibrations for that CPL. Anybody can help?
Sorry bad english, Google translate

[hpcummins]

HI All DK mambers. I need help. I need calibration Cummins 11645554 CPL 1193. Incal 2008-2011 has not calibrations for that CPL. Anybody can help?
Sorry bad english, Google translate
Engine no. 11645554 CPL 1193 is a model NTA-855-C(450) mechanical engine. There is no ECM. Are you looking for the fuel pump calibration specs?

[Roy Suryadwiananda]

Hi DK experts ,
I need calibration Cummins S/N.119794483 CPL 2592 , DO Option 1090 , SC Option 10298.ECM Code C10614.04 . Anybody can help?
Many thank you guys. :help:

[jctech]

Hi DK experts ,
I need calibration Cummins S/N.119794483 CPL 2592 , DO Option 1090 , SC Option 10298.ECM Code C10614.04 . Anybody can help?
Many thank you guys. :help:

Calibration C10614 supercedes to C10685

Click on ECM part number 3408300, and find calibration C10614. You will notice that it does not have a green tick in the icon, thay means the calibration is no longer valid. Right click on calibration C10614 and select "view replacement calibrations", and it will give you calibration C10685.

[Roy Suryadwiananda]

Calibration C10614 supercedes to C10685

Click on ECM part number 3408300, and find calibration C10614. You will notice that it does not have a green tick in the icon, thay means the calibration is no longer valid. Right click on calibration C10614 and select "view replacement calibrations", and it will give you calibration C10685.

Thank you Jtech , please picture this display.

[jctech]

Thank you Jtech , please picture this display.


Here are two screen shots showing the superceded calibration tool, sorry about the quality

[jctech]

better screen shots

[Roy Suryadwiananda]

better screen shots

Okay, if according to your image, the item number to hundreds, but which sent to me for 3408300 from no.1 to no.135 and for 3,408,303 from no.1 to no.111, according to the instructions your picture shows C10614.11 is no.346. Intelect rar file. 843.4 Kb downloaded and after the extract to 6.27 Mb if it is correct? thank you for your time.

thank you very much, I already understand now, sorry had to make you a headache and waste your time.

[jctech]

Okay, if according to your image, the item number to hundreds, but which sent to me for 3408300 from no.1 to no.135 and for 3,408,303 from no.1 to no.111, according to the instructions your picture shows C10614.11 is no.346. Intelect rar file. 843.4 Kb downloaded and after the extract to 6.27 Mb if it is correct? thank you for your time.

thank you very much, I already understand now, sorry had to make you a headache and waste your time.

Calibration C10614 is number 346 in my image because I have all calibrations displayed, if I only showed all the calibrations for a certain CPL, there would be less calibrations on the screen.
C10614 is a good calibration for ECM part numbers 3408300 and 3408303.

[doloman]

Hi DK cummins expert. I need calibration E/C L21401.05 ECN 35108710, engine for MAN TGA. It`s calibration have 1.Corrects issue with the engine position sensor open coil diagnostic that might cause intermittent engine stumble at idle and 2.Corrects issue with fan locking on (24 Volt Systems Only)problems with the idle and the fan are present on the truck.
Incal oct 2011 have L21401.13

[hpcummins]

Hi DK cummins expert. I need calibration E/C L21401.05 ECN 35108710, engine for MAN TGA. It`s calibration have 1.Corrects issue with the engine position sensor open coil diagnostic that might cause intermittent engine stumble at idle and 2.Corrects issue with fan locking on (24 Volt Systems Only)problems with the idle and the fan are present on the truck.
Incal oct 2011 have L21401.13

Go ahead and use L21401.13 from Oct 2011 Incal - it has all of the updates including the ones you list for L21401.05

[Thecell]

It depends which engine you have if the 120 ohm resistors are in the harness,
safest is to measure the resistance between J1939 + and J1939 -, on the engine harness, you need to unplug the ECM to do this.
2 x 120 ohm resistors = 60 ohms

Thanks for the info...

[wallypw]

help-
I tried to load a calibration to a footprinted celect ECM
during the process I get error below. what can I do !!!:bawling:

Cummins celect ECM 3619037 Calibration transfer - Progress
Preparing ECM to receive calibration stops at 65%
Error number 27508
Calibration download failed:bawling:

[donniemnemonic]

Hi all.
Don't know if anyone has had a similar experience as this but it has now happened to me on 2 separate occassions and I have tried to resolve the problem but with no luck.
Anyway here is what happened: got these celect plus ecms both not communicating with insite. After checking the hardware on each hardware checked out fine and so I tried connecting with the key off and what do you know turns out the ecms were in rom-boot mode. Unfortunately could not determine the ecm part numbers since both were in rom-boot and the data tags were absent. Anyway tried calibrating using the calibration files I had and now the problem is that each time I try to connect to the ecm using Calterm I get the error code: Detected ECM Identifier (y}) for the ECM with the device address 0x07 is not matched with the expected value (94) for product C94. The ecm connects to calterm but the area product id actual is blank and fault codes do not display in the faults column. The ecm when like this will not connect with insite unless I rom-boot it again. Is there anyway to resolve this issue as I need to try and get these ecms running again. Also realised that I needs to connect to the ecm manually using calterm cause it refuses to connect automatically.
Regards
Donniemnemonic

[jctech]

Hi all.
Don't know if anyone has had a similar experience as this but it has now happened to me on 2 separate occassions and I have tried to resolve the problem but with no luck.
Anyway here is what happened: got these celect plus ecms both not communicating with insite. After checking the hardware on each hardware checked out fine and so I tried connecting with the key off and what do you know turns out the ecms were in rom-boot mode. Unfortunately could not determine the ecm part numbers since both were in rom-boot and the data tags were absent. Anyway tried calibrating using the calibration files I had and now the problem is that each time I try to connect to the ecm using Calterm I get the error code: Detected ECM Identifier (y}) for the ECM with the device address 0x07 is not matched with the expected value (94) for product C94. The ecm connects to calterm but the area product id actual is blank and fault codes do not display in the faults column. The ecm when like this will not connect with insite unless I rom-boot it again. Is there anyway to resolve this issue as I need to try and get these ecms running again. Also realised that I needs to connect to the ecm manually using calterm cause it refuses to connect automatically.
Regards
Donniemnemonic

Try these Calterm parameters
ECM_ID, Celect Plus is C94
ECMPartNumber

[donniemnemonic]

Hi Jctech
Thanks for your reply are you saying that I should just try editing the parameters you listed above using calterm? if yes then I have real problems because I have in the past tried to alter other parameters and I know you will say RTFM but I have tried over and over again without any luck
Thanks in advance
Donniemnemonic

[jctech]

Hi Jctech
Thanks for your reply are you saying that I should just try editing the parameters you listed above using calterm? if yes then I have real problems because I have in the past tried to alter other parameters and I know you will say RTFM but I have tried over and over again without any luck
Thanks in advance
Donniemnemonic

connect to ECM with calterm3.
Go to tools- unlock and click find devices
click display current status
change status to unlocked, close unlock tool
reconnect to ECM
click commands- run from development
edit the parameters you want to change
click save, you should get a message in the bottom pane saying that changes were written to the module
click commands- run from default
click tools unlock, change security back to locked
reconnect your ECM and check your parameters.

There are quicker ways to change security and run from dev. but baby steps first.
Some parameters cannot be edited directly in the ECM.
The safest way is to upload your calibration, save it.
edit your calibration, save as rev1, and download to ECM, then if anything happens, you have a copy of the original to download.

[spannermonkey]

if you upload a calibration from the ecm with calterm does it just copy the cal thats in the ecm or does it actually pull the calibration out of the ecm and leave it empty. just wondering how easy it is to copy calibrations....

[hpcummins]

if you upload a calibration from the ecm with calterm does it just copy the cal thats in the ecm or does it actually pull the calibration out of the ecm and leave it empty. just wondering how easy it is to copy calibrations....

During upload Calterm copies the cal from the ecm to the pc hard drive, the ecm is left unchanged.

[jctech]

if you upload a calibration from the ecm with calterm does it just copy the cal thats in the ecm or does it actually pull the calibration out of the ecm and leave it empty. just wondering how easy it is to copy calibrations....

Calterm copies ALL the information from the ECM, including fuel consumption data, vehicle and engine information, everything, so if this calibration is then loaded into another ECM, the second vehicle will become a clone of the first, your customer may not be impressed with the extra 120000 miles, and hours and fuel data to back it up.

If you are going to calibrate, use Insite and the InCal DVD

[donniemnemonic]

connect to ECM with calterm3.
Go to tools- unlock and click find devices
click display current status
change status to unlocked, close unlock tool
reconnect to ECM
click commands- run from development
edit the parameters you want to change
click save, you should get a message in the bottom pane saying that changes were written to the module
click commands- run from default
click tools unlock, change security back to locked
reconnect your ECM and check your parameters.

There are quicker ways to change security and run from dev. but baby steps first.
Some parameters cannot be edited directly in the ECM.
The safest way is to upload your calibration, save it.
edit your calibration, save as rev1, and download to ECM, then if anything happens, you have a copy of the original to download.

Thanks Jctech will try this and let you know how it goes.
Regards
Donniemnemonic

[donniemnemonic]

Calterm copies ALL the information from the ECM, including fuel consumption data, vehicle and engine information, everything, so if this calibration is then loaded into another ECM, the second vehicle will become a clone of the first, your customer may not be impressed with the extra 120000 miles, and hours and fuel data to back it up.

If you are going to calibrate, use Insite and the InCal DVD

Jctech.
You say that calterm copies everything and the ecm that the calibration is downloaded to [becomes a clone of the other but I have done this beforeand still the ecm to which the calibration is downloaded to remains with the original serial number it had before the download so I guess that does not make it a real clone of the original because it maintains its original identity.

Regards
Donniemnemonic.

[jctech]

Jctech.
You say that calterm copies everything and the ecm that the calibration is downloaded to [becomes a clone of the other but I have done this beforeand still the ecm to which the calibration is downloaded to remains with the original serial number it had before the download so I guess that does not make it a real clone of the original because it maintains its original identity.

Regards
Donniemnemonic.

Everything else though, the ECM serial number means nothing in the real world.

[spannermonkey]

nah thats alright, you answered my question perfectly. thanks

[ramianek]

Hi.
Please, could someone send me the file to calibraci engine
ISBe 150 30 ECM PART NUMBEER 4898112,
Now there I have a T 90099.08.

thanks

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[jctech]

Hi.
Please, could someone send me the file to calibraci engine
ISBe 150 30 ECM PART NUMBEER 4898112,
Now there I have a T 90099.08.

thanks

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Here you go

[ramianek]

Thanks for the file.
I've tried it on the other side of the engine but I compared it with his collection of what I have and it's identical.
Still, I offer only the possibility of the calibration.

What it can be. ?

http://s7.postimage.org/y2p57yrdj/koberak2.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/y2p57yrdj/)

[buck4430]

hello i am looking for some help on flashing my isx 435 CM870 with a CPL 8520 and a P/N 3683289 with a Australia isx signature 600, can it be done. i do have the incal file but don't know what to do with them... sorry kind of new at this stuff. Thanks

[jctech]

Thanks for the file.
I've tried it on the other side of the engine but I compared it with his collection of what I have and it's identical.
Still, I offer only the possibility of the calibration.

What it can be. ?

http://s7.postimage.org/y2p57yrdj/koberak2.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/y2p57yrdj/)

Make sure that you do not have any filters set up in calibration selection, right click in the calibration pane and remove the tick by "custom filter", or click the funnel icon in the task bar.
Place the file I sent you into you Insite calibration workspace, open calibration workspace in Insite calibration selection, navigate to your ECM part number, open the calibrations, right click on "show installed calibrations"

I can get the same screen as you have by creating 2 filters.
Do not put a 6 cylinder calibration into a 4 cylinder engine.

[ramianek]

I can not give clear from the calibration are 6 do the fourth
I will try and poreferuju.
thanks

[ramianek]

Hi.
Thanks for the advice.
I tried it today and allowed other certificates, and then there jumped more options calibration.

thanks thanks.

P. S.

T has a sense of 90099.08. recalibrate the T 90099.10?
What changes have occurred?

thanks

[jctech]

Hi.
Thanks for the advice.
I tried it today and allowed other certificates, and then there jumped more options calibration.

thanks thanks.

P. S.

T has a sense of 90099.08. recalibrate the T 90099.10?
What changes have occurred?

thanks

look at the calibration differences in the "calibration revision history" MS Excel spreadsheet in the InCal DVD

[ramianek]

Right from there I watched and I can not find :(

[ramianek]

Hi.

Could someone please tell me something about error 2559, the engine ISBe CM 800th Bosch ECM.
I can not find anything anywhere.
Haste.
thanks

[jctech]

Hi.

Could someone please tell me something about error 2559, the engine ISBe CM 800th Bosch ECM.
I can not find anything anywhere.
Haste.
thanks

No info on 2559, can you give some more info, does it have a description?, is it active?

[ramianek]

Yes, it is active.
Car does not start.
After 5 s off-tal's owner says the car.
wrote something that transfer between the ECU and ECM.

[jctech]

Yes, it is active.
Car does not start.
After 5 s off-tal's owner says the car.
wrote something that transfer between the ECU and ECM.

The generic Cummins description for fault code 2559 is Transmission ECU to Engine ECM - Communication abnormal update rate.
SPN 1845
FMI 9
Amber Warning Lamp

[ramianek]

Thank you.
Perhaps I've already solved it.
I have made calibration and OK.

[p455w0rd]

Hi everyone im having a problem a have Cummin Insite 7.5 full i allready download the Oct Incal http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f166/oct-incal-new-links-no-passwords-238264/ allready put all the files on the CalibrationWorkspace and also have it on a diskdrive but when i try to select a calibration it tells me that the calibration are old and new to be deleted any sugestion please..

[alsop]

Hi everyone im having a problem a have Cummin Insite 7.5 full i allready download the Oct Incal http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f166/oct-incal-new-links-no-passwords-238264/ allready put all the files on the CalibrationWorkspace and also have it on a diskdrive but when i try to select a calibration it tells me that the calibration are old and new to be deleted any sugestion please..I think you are using the work space wrong. Go to page 156 in this manual and read on calibrating an ECM. The files belong in the C:\Intelect\esdn\data. Hope other members will help you more.

[Thecell]

good stuff here, thanks m8s

[Thecell]

One big question that I have, is ANYONE able to change the "XY" fueling tables in calterm (any version) on ANY ecm?

We are use to being able to change anything in Detroit DDCT....

Thanks for input.

[jctech]

One big question that I have, is ANYONE able to change the "XY" fueling tables in calterm (any version) on ANY ecm?

We are use to being able to change anything in Detroit DDCT....

Thanks for input.

I have on QSB CM850, never do a change like this in the ECM, upload the cal to your PC first.
It is easiest copy the table into excel, make your changes and copy back into calterm, the cels with changes will turn yellow, save the changes to the calibration and download into the ECM.

[volvotech2000]

your ecu is fine you just seeded it , you have to use a fleet calibration and reinstall the calibration , you probably just lost pc power or unswitched power.. it happens in our shop all the time , a feet cal would put you back on the road mate

[jacques69256925]

can anyone help with isx rom boot wire diagram or the pin location for rom boot switch

[alsop]

can anyone help with isx rom boot wire diagram or the pin location for rom boot switch

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f164/cummins-ecm-repair-tips-123306/index8.html#post874690

[gentechie]

can any body help me... i am trying to fix a cm530 cense as it was showing all the exhaust temp. 17.8f on a QSK60, i tried clearing all the fault logs and trend logs and reset the cense, but i am unable to calibrate it. tried a lot many ways to do it, my insite cense option of calibration goes grey not letting me to calibrate, any suggestions to how to calibrate.
i am working with bench cables 3163064

[Poptest]

I am trying to reprogram a 3618046 Celect ecm but have been unsuccessful. When I try a calibration transfer, Insite displays this error code:
"The connected ecm part number is not compatible with the selected calibration. Please choose another calibration with the correct ecm part number and try again."

The calibration I chose was for a 3618046 and I am also sure that the ecm is a 3618046 as I was able to reprogram this before.

And when I viewed features/parameters, the ecm had no part number. It just showed ?????????.
Could this be the reason that it will not accept a calibration transfer?

Please help me. What can I do to enter a new calibration.

Thanks in advance..........

[parezoo]

Try to rom boot and load the cal...

[Poptest]

Try to rom boot and load the cal...

Thanks parezoo

How do you perform a rom boot?

[symdecomp]

Help was calibrating a Cummins Celect ECM, there was the problem of electric power and communication short after that I can not connect with insite, I have the blank ECM can do to calibrate it, your support will be very valuable

[jhon silva]

Hello, please could help me with calibration files AX90076.04 for engine Cummins ISD.
Thanks.

[kitty-hawk]

Hello, please could help me with calibration files AX90076.04 for engine Cummins ISD.
Thanks.

Hello,

AX90076.11
264249

[jhon silva]

Hello,

AX90076.11
264249

the CPL has the truck is 3602 but in 2014 this cpl Incal not shown me. Someone who can help me please


the engine is ISDe number 4988820.

[kitty-hawk]

Have you engine serial number?

[jhon silva]

Have you engine serial number?

87265070
thanks

[kitty-hawk]

264778

This is the latest version available from Cummins.

[Mechanic007]

HI, I HAVE A CUMMINS ECM, I TRIED CALIBRATE IT, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF PROCESS, THE SOFTWARE HAVE SENT A MESSAGE OF ERROR, AND NOW I CAN'T CONNECT TO ECM WITH CUMMINS INSITE... WHAT CAN I DO TO CONNECT?? :egg:
I have 2 celect plus ECM gone in RomBoot mode my customers asking me a lot of question for that, tell them they need a new one

[Mechanic007]

I tried to reconnect on 1 of them yesterday and it working normal again, but the truck is not preforming at its best with that ECM

[parezoo]

Just reprogram the ecm that is rombooted and in most cases you will be fine...

[Mechanic007]

Just reprogram the ecm that is rombooted and in most cases you will be fine...
try to reprogram it and it it gone in romboot mode again:thumpdown:

[rubiconrojo]

Hello all,

I?m dealing with CALTERM and I have confusion about raw calibration files for CALTERM:
1. How can I get raw calibration file from INCAL DVD and use it straight with CALTERM III if I have the appropiate cfgm file?
2. Do they have extension file *.xcal?
3. I know how to recalibrate from INSITE and workspace calibration. When I open the "calibration" file from INSITE list unzip the selected file and appear a lot of files and folders as follow:
Intelec->esdn->data+file "esdninfo.dat"->P2I+"esdndata.cmp"->cal+"P2I,cmp"->"XXYYYYY.P2I"
I thought that last one file it was the calibration file and I changed the extension for .xcal because inside "cal" folder but when I tried to open with CALTERM III i got an error: "Unknown error when loading calibration", so there is not raw calibration file.
Anybody knows how to get xcal file for an specific engine from INSITE or INCAL DVD and open it with CALTERM III to work on it and modify parameters or maps??
I?m really frustrated about it!!!
Thanking in advance for your ideas or procedure for it.

[mory lanes]

Connection diagram of harness for boot rom for isb cm550 Please help ....

CELECT old can be placed in boot rom ??


both dead ecm blocked