Renault tool 2003 vauxhall movano

[obdmaster]

I have a customer who has a 2003 registered 2.2 dti vauxhall movano van running Bosch edc 15C3 common rail (non facelift). He has im*obiliser problem my m8 whos locksmith has checked transponder in key, its ok and the customer has tried a new transponder aerial. But van still has im*obiliser problem. Looked on instructions from codecard and says its only upto 2001,but they started this van in 1998 so checked ecu pins on drawing to codecard instructions and connection pins are the same. Am i correct in assuming this van is same as a 2.2 dci Renault master? My question is will Renault tool decode ecu, then i will fit emulator to get van running as per codecard instructions.

As usual much thanks in advance

[rideon]

Master and movano are basically the same s**t,and i suppose that are sharing the same problem :pepsi:,:beer:or,:coffee:,the bcm and fuse box are located 'just' under the cup holder......:ahhhhh:just take a look inside the bcm,this might be it....

[obdmaster]

According to vauxhall tis, the immobiliser unit is seperate from bcm. Its on drivers side behind dash m8

[BeianM]

Hi, don't know if this is any help but I have included an im*o page from renault 2.2 dci it is edc 15c3 the same as my espace. I have just changed the ecu bII & transponer due to duff ecu. All for ?115 delivered!
This doc includes master it does ref. the uch. & gives the ecu connectors. May be useful for cross reference.
To my knowledge Clip cannot turn the immo off only recode the pump/injectors to new ecu.
Does it run using the pin?

[obdmaster]

Van hasnt arrived yet it will be here in morning .guy doesnt know pin he only has one key. Would just like to know my options. May even remove im*obiliser by im*otool. Thanks for all replies.

Keep them coming, knowledge is GOOD !!!!!

[rideon]

I might be wrong,if it's an older version,you can find some kind of bcm just above the brake pedal,and that should work with Renault tool

[obdmaster]

I might be wrong,if it's an older version,you can find some kind of bcm just above the brake pedal,and that should work with Renault tool


Its a 2003 non facelift the same they started in 1998 m8. I also think it will work with renault tool thanks for advice though m8. im toying with the idea of taking chip off and using programmer now as renault tool takes all day.I will need emulator though as my friend lupu sandu has just informed me. Thanks for replies m8

[Sam-F]

Start by swapping the relays about I have done a few of these with the same prob and it was a faulty relay

[obdmaster]

Start by swapping the relays about I have done a few of these with the same prob and it was a faulty relay


Thanks for advice m8, but i like to work things out methodically. I did one last week that didnt run and found it had broken wire to engine control relay, but that didnt make his immobiliser light flash m8

[vevepatronu]

Thanks for advice m8, but i like to work things out methodically. I did one last week that didnt run and found it had broken wire to engine control relay, but that didnt make his im*obiliser light flash m8


what errors do you get m8? if you show me a picture of your immo unit and the key maybe i can help you... the immo is a black box with a blue plug? and you have keys with one button?

[obdmaster]

what errors do you get m8? if you show me a picture of your im*o unit and the key maybe i can help you... the im*o is a black box with a blue plug? and you have keys with one button?


Van was meant to turn up saturday morning m8. Its arriving tomorrow now

[vevepatronu]

Van was meant to turn up saturday morning m8. Its arriving tomorrow now


ok let me know when you have it in your possesion :)

[AutoX4242]

if immo light flashes with ignition on it's key, aerial, wiring or immo box.

If light stays solid when ignition on, immo is not talking to ecu, so normally wiring to ecu, relay or resistance on maxi fuses under bonnet.

Even at 2003, I think the movano is a fixed code cloneable chip in the key.

Regards

[obdmaster]

I have im*otool, and it says chip marked 5P08C3, ive found that see attached picture. Settings on my xprog to ST95P08? theres no dot for pin 1. Am i correct in assuming pin1 is where the chamfered edge is on the left and pin 1 is at the top. Much thanks in advance as always. Just want to be sure as its my first attempt at decoding.:eek:


Ecu part no. is 0 281 011 106

[adam28]

I have im*otool, and it says chip marked 5P08C3, ive found that see attached picture. Settings on my xprog to ST95P08? theres no dot for pin 1. Am i correct in assuming pin1 is where the chamfered edge is on the left and pin 1 is at the top. Much thanks in advance as always. Just want to be sure as its my first attempt at decoding.:eek:


Ecu part no. is 0 281 011 106

Pin one is always on the side that looks sawn off mate, like a slide if you get my drift. First pin on the left.

I think you can read as a 25 or 95 mate

[crecoramike]

Are you sure that it is the same as the Renault Master.
I think some parts may be different.
M

[obdmaster]

Pin one is always on the side that looks sawn off mate, like a slide if you get my drift. First pin on the left.

I think you can read as a 25 or 95 mate



Thanks adam when you say first do you mean top?

[obdmaster]

Are you sure that it is the same as the Renault Master.
I think some parts may be different.
M


key is renault immobiliser is renault, and ive googled ecu bosch part no. its a renault m8

[adam28]

By looking at the pic this is where pin 1 is on the sawn off side


Sorry mate my pic is sh!t

Pin 1 always on left off sawn off sloapy side.

You got it?

[obdmaster]

By looking at the pic this is where pin 1 is on the sawn off side


Sorry mate my pic is sh!t

Pin 1 always on left off sawn off sloapy side.

You got it?

Your picture is bit shit m8!!!, sloapey side is on left .is pin 1 right at top or bottom m8

[adam28]

Pin 1 on same side as sawn off

[obdmaster]

Pin 1 on same side as sawn off



Thanks adam thats great m8. Your a top bloke m8.

[obdmaster]

ive read chip with xprog, loaded into im*otool. im*otool repaired it refitted it to van. On live data it says im*obiliser Active, Code programmed No. I was told this unit needs an emulator, from live data i would conclude virginisation has been succesfull:congrats:


Emulator is ordered be here friday

[adam28]

ive read chip with xprog, loaded into im*otool. im*otool repaired it refitted it to van. On live data it says im*obiliser Active, Code programmed No. I was told this unit needs an emulator, from live data i would conclude virginisation has been succesfull:congrats:


Emulator is ordered be here friday

Is it not possible to im*o off then cut the im*o line, without using the emulator?
With the clio i im*o offed,if i had plugged the ecu back in before i cut im*o line or put in emulator this would have fcuked the job, im assuming the UCH rewrites the chip that i im*o offed, and back to square one.
Dont know how the one you are doing works.
keep us updated.

Cheers

Now i see you are not doing immo off, just repairing?

[obdmaster]

Is it not possible to im*o off then cut the im*o line, without using the emulator?
With the clio i im*o offed,if i had plugged the ecu back in before i cut im*o line or put in emulator this would have fcuked the job, im assuming the UCH rewrites the chip that i im*o offed, and back to square one.
Dont know how the one you are doing works.
keep us updated.

Cheers

Now i see you are not doing im*o off, just repairing?


The immobiliser unit was on my bench m8, not on van, so i knew it wouldnt matter if i fitted ecu. bosch edc15c3 cant run without an immobiliser code ive been told. And from live data saying Code programmed: NO . I think ive made it virginised. So im going to fit emmulator to plug where old immobiliser/ central lock unit was as its goosed. Then ecu is meant to take first signal it sees as its code. This is the theory im working on will let you know if it works m8. Thanks for taking an interest m8

[BeianM]

The im*obiliser unit was on my bench m8, not on van, so i knew it wouldnt matter if i fitted ecu. bosch edc15c3 cant run without an im*obiliser code ive been told. And from live data saying Code programmed: NO . I think ive made it virginised. So im going to fit emmulator to plug where old im*obiliser/ central lock unit was as its goosed. Then ecu is meant to take first signal it sees as its code. This is the theory im working on will let you know if it works m8. Thanks for taking an interest m8

On Renault with clip & a virgin (new) edc15c3 ecu I'm sure you can prog it to work. Without the emulator. I can look it up if you like. May have been in the pdf.

[obdmaster]

On Renault with clip & a virgin (new) edc15c3 ecu I'm sure you can prog it to work. Without the emulator. I can look it up if you like. May have been in the pdf.



Thanks m8, that would be great if only i had a clip. Its on my list of "gotta get" so at this time i will have to try emulator.

[busaman]

this may be usefull it is supposed to be im*o off no emulator.but i dont know what ecu or it maybe the immobox/uch

[obdmaster]

this may be usefull it is supposed to be im*o off no emulator.but i dont know what ecu or it maybe the im*obox/uch



Busaman there is a 93c46 in immobiliser/central lock unit. picture attached i wonder if with this dump unit acts as an emulator?


Thanks man

[busaman]

test it and post back result. like i say i am not sure and have not tried it but i would like to know.

[obdmaster]

test it and post back result. like i say i am not sure and have not tried it but i would like to know.



Do you think it makes immobiliser box act as emulator? im bit warey as dont want things to go wrong, its my first decode you see m8

[Meat-Head]

Do you think it makes immobiliser box act as emulator? im bit warey as dont want things to go wrong, its my first decode you see m8

Remove the eeprom, read it, save it, e-mail to ALL your friends and enimies, so you have a back up, then load Busamans file, re-solder eeprom

Stand back, close eyes and turn the key, see what happens.

The things came on a back of a truck, the worst that can happen is it won't start.

If Busamans file works and the owners mutters something about door locking, down load one of these "Hung Foo Remote locking kicks" (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KEYLESS-ENTRY-UNIVERSAL-REMOTE-CENTRAL-LOCKING-UPGRADE_W0QQitemZ190336910874QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2c50f6c61 a)

[obdmaster]

this may be usefull it is supposed to be im*o off no emulator.but i dont know what ecu or it maybe the im*obox/uch



This dump m8 is off a new unit, tried it today, when emulators didnt work managed to get van running though m8. Will tell you all how when its gone and ive been weighed in.

[rideon]

Remove the eeprom, read it, save it, e-mail to ALL your friends and enimies, so you have a back up, then load Busamans file, re-solder eeprom

Stand back, close eyes and turn the key, see what happens.

The things came on a back of a truck, the worst that can happen is it won't start.


:roflmao: i couldn't help myself.........



:goodpost:

[si.]

Hi guys i new here so hello

Its common on these modles for this problem.
most of the time its the key at fault so if you read the dump and give it to a auto locksmith they will be able to supply and program you a new chip to put in key that will start the vehicle.

si

[vevepatronu]

m8 did you checked the immo box(black box with blue plug) inside to see if anything it is oxidized? This is a common problem for this type of immo, or check the keys , if its not the immo box, and the wiring is good the keys are the problem... You can clone keys with Gambit tool, you need only a pcf7935 transponder, desolder the chip inside the immo box 93c46 load it with gambit and then generate the key.... this shoud work very well m8, let me know...

[busaman]

This dump m8 is off a new unit, tried it today, when emulators didnt work managed to get van running though m8. Will tell you all how when its gone and ive been weighed in.

so what was the final outcome did it cure the fault or did you need to do anything else.

[obdmaster]

so what was the final outcome did it cure the fault or did you need to do anything else.


The emulators i got didnt work, so i read 93c46 from immobox, and got pin code then using op-com inputted pin code live data on ecu then went from saying code programmed no to yes, then put record playback module on it worked a treat. Thanks for everyones input.

[Meat-Head]

The emulators i got didnt work, so i read 93c46 from immobox, and got pin code then using op-com inputted pin code live data on ecu then went from saying code programmed no to yes, then put record playback module on it worked a treat. Thanks for everyones input.

awesome,
a)how much / where from module?
b) what software did you 'decode' the pin number with?

thanks
Meaty.

[obdmaster]

awesome,
a)how much / where from module?
b) what software did you 'decode' the pin number with?



thanks
Meaty.

Record playback module was ?55 from avon Diagnostics, i posted dump and premierD told me pin code, what software did you use PremierD m8?

[adam28]

Record playback module was ?55 from avon Diagnostics, i posted dump and premierD told me pin code, what software did you use PremierD m8?

I find the premierD software works the best, better than all the other software out there, because you know its gonna work.lol

[vevepatronu]

yeap but what is the sw? i olso need it because i have some dumps and keys that i want to code and recode them to get the pin that is inside the keys :P

@obdmaster your module is somekind of emulator... can you open it and make some pictures?

[PremierD]

Record playback module was ?55 from avon Diagnostics, i posted dump and premierD told me pin code, what software did you use PremierD m8?

The software ..was a good friend .. who wrote the dump to a transponder ... then ran it through ..ICC...( and not a clone ):)

Am seriously thinking of buying one ... then we can get a few more codes ..:)

[obdmaster]

yeap but what is the sw? i olso need it because i have some dumps and keys that i want to code and recode them to get the pin that is inside the keys :P

@obdmaster your module is somekind of emulator... can you open it and make some pictures?


What the module does is record the actual data going to ecu, then you cut data line, and everytime ignition is switched on . The modules plays back original data, i have another one spare so will take pictures in morning m8 . Ive just ordered a Gambit they look very interesting m8, thanks for the information.

[vevepatronu]

yeap m8 gambit is very good... anyway i think the chip inside your emulator is protected it is a pic12f629, i just thinking of it and i think i know how it works... it has basicly the soft that is inside of an immo box, just that it doesn't validate the code from the key when you turn ignition, it plays the code on and on... in your immo box are just 4 lines of soft that are written twice in dump...

[Meat-Head]

i posted dump and premierD told me pin code, what software did you use PremierD m8?


The software ..was a good friend .. who wrote the dump to a transponder ... then ran it through ..ICC...( and not a clone ):)..:)

Oh didn't expect PremierD to use software to find out pincode, expected him to simply view a photo of the rar'd (passworded) dump and blurt
out the code.

[Meat-Head]

will take pictures in morning m8 . Ive just ordered a Gambit they look very interesting m8, thanks for the information.


1) Ok take you took pictures, but can you upload them
2) Gambit, any good, how much?
3) Just turned on crystall ball, looks like we have one of
these bags of shite to do, will have to download a playback/record module and ~~~~ it off.
4) Was a mistake getting a crystal ball, as DK is soo useful, makes it
a bit pointless.

Thanks