ABRITES AVDI / AUTEL key programming

[davorsule]

Hi,
I'm the owner of Abrites AVDI, basic version without licences. Firstly I used this device for ecu reflashing and diagnostic function. Now I need it for key programming.
AMS subscription expired in january/2021 and for my big surprise of course Kapdiagnostic now want to take for AMS 186 GBP+186GBP because subscription expired for 6 month and longer.
Also licence for VN003/006/009 for VAG cars key programming functions cost about 4000 GBP.. For my budget it is too much. I know it's professional tool not for amateur but it's too much. Full key licence software package cost about 19 000 GBP.
I saw that on the market exists AUTEL IM 508/608 key programming tool and cost about 1500 EUR (IM508+XP400). Don't know about quality of this tool and don't have experience but as technicians from Autel say can do everythink as AVDI. But also there is a big difference as I see, with AVDI for 4000 GBP I can work just on VAG cars, and with AUTEL I can work for 2000 EUR on Mercedes,BMW,VAG, Nissan, Opel, Renault.....and other
Why this difference in price and functionality for money value, does anyone now?

thanks and regards!

[keekou]

Yearly sub on autel is much higher

[davorsule]

Yearly sub on autel is much higher

autel=about 300 EUR
AVDI= 189 GBP=220 EUR

[fred77]

autel=about 300 EUR
AVDI= 189 GBP=220 EUR

Please share where can get that Autel price, here it's £668...
https://www.autelstore.co.uk/wholesale/one-year-update-service-for-autel-maxiim-im608.html

Since loosing token VAG programming I've ditched Autel for a while. Being on-line the tool shuts down. Least with Abrites I still get most functions the month didn't have AMS.
(yes they are feaving SODs lol for renewal)


Anyway
It's a lie for Autel engineers to say same tool. Abrites is great on VAG, PSA, Fiat. There's many jobs I can do that somebody with just IM608 can't.

BUT here lies the BUT - Is Abrites worth the investment esp with VAG. I'd say you'd struggle now to get investment back.

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But why try to program keys with just one tool ?
Your going to be disappointed whatever that one tool is :driver:
Either go in big doing something or quit

[davorsule]

Autel One Year Update Card / Subscription / Renew Service for MaxiIM IM508 (maxiobd.com) (https://maxiobd.com/products/autel-one-year-update-card-im508)

Which token you loose, for Autel?
Which licences for software you have on AVDI? and how much cost?
I have AVDI but don't have licences for key programming, they cost too much..

Also my subscription expired before 7 month, and now I must pay additional charge of 180 GBP for AMS, so 400 GBP. This is what I unlike for ABrites.
I agree with you that is possibile to do more jobs and procedures with AVDI compare to autel...

[fred77]

Autel One Year Update Card / Subscription / Renew Service for MaxiIM IM508 (maxiobd.com) (https://maxiobd.com/products/autel-one-year-update-card-im508)

Which token you loose, for Autel?
Which licences for software you have on AVDI? and how much cost?
I have AVDI but don't have licences for key programming, they cost too much..

Also my subscription expired before 7 month, and now I must pay additional charge of 180 GBP for AMS, so 400 GBP. This is what I unlike for ABrites.
I agree with you that is possibile to do more jobs and procedures with AVDI compare to autel...


I should have bought im508 lol

All prices on Abrites website. Go direct - don't bother with UK KAP.

Stick to Fiat, PSA, VAG, Vauxhall. But they are expensive and getting payback is tough. Maybe worth waiting for Winter discounts - good luck

[rapidlocksmiths]

with avdi , psa , fiat , vauxhall , vag and renault have all made payback several times over for me .

its not just autel that has lost vag , at present its lost to all on mqb akl .

im608 is a good tool , as is im508 , however its not a 1 tool does all nor is any other tool , multiple tools are needed , im 508 has same key programming coverage and annual subs are half the cost of im608 subs.

vag : vag tacho full , spvg , VVDI2 all offer excellent vag coverage vcds is also a must have.

truecode and halkyard tech great on ford , renault , nissan and subscription and token free and low cost

TDB1000 good for ford , vauxhall , psa and token and subscription free too

avdi is great on psa , fiat , vauxhall , and much more , avdi is only dear if you dont make it work hard , mine has paid back many times over now, cost is only a number and not relevent once its paid back.

idealy you need multiple options

[davorsule]

its not just autel that has lost vag , at present its lost to all on mqb akl . ?

Please, can you explain me what is the issue, I don't understand?

[owdi]

its not just autel that has lost vag , at present its lost to all on mqb akl .

im608 is a good tool , as is im508 , however its not a 1 tool does all nor is any other tool , multiple tools are needed , im 508 has same key programming coverage and annual subs are half the cost of im608 subs.

vag : vag tacho full , spvg , VVDI2 all offer excellent vag coverage vcds is also a must have.

avdi is great on psa , fiat , vauxhall , and much more , avdi is only dear if you dont make it work hard , mine has paid back many times over now, cost is only a number and not relevent once its paid back.



Rapid, do you use AVDI for VAG MQB platform such as MK7 Golf? Any limitations (IE standard cluster vs virtual cockpit?) I wondered what position everyone takes with this, I assume AVDI will update the key programming on the vehicle but not on the VW servers the way ODIS would?

[rapidlocksmiths]

mqb all keys lost is currently unavailable on all tools , all tools were using the vag servers to complete mqb AKL jobs , or were using vag helper . VAG have closed there servers to all aftermarket at present , so for mqb all keys lost no tools have this coverage at present.

there is an option with vvdi2 , you need to read data from the car and send to a 3rd party who sends you back your synch files for a cost or programs your key via teamviewer at a cost .

i spoke to kap last week , they stated that vw server seems to be hit and miss at present , on some occasions they get access and on others they dont , so they have advised not buying tokens until resolved .

avdi hasnt done audi or seat MQB AKL for a long while , vw and skoda were ok , however now the vw servers have been restricted it seems vw may also be lost despite occasionally working still.

your best options for vag mqb all keys lost at present are odis with dealer access and tied to dealer keys , or vvdi and the guys selling mqb synch file service , who are doing very well at present.

theres rumours that work around is available in usa , but usa is very different than europe

at some point they will find work arounds , but for now options are restricted on MQB AKL for all .

maybe if facebook and net were not full of videos and pics of cheap china keys at silly low prices , maybe they wouldnt have done this , cant blame vag for protecting there servers .

[baddaren]

Hello friends. May I ask. I make 3-5 cars a day, keys. I do not have AVDI, Maybe I need one/ some modules? What can it do that no other tool can not? Only car keys I am not doing is volvo remotes before 2007, need OEM keys and volvo vida/dice.
I also do not have IM608 but thinking of buying, not only for the keys but for the diagnostic. For me it is more and more diagnostic involved wit key making. am I wrong?

[davorsule]

Hello friends. May I ask. I make 3-5 cars a day, keys. I do not have AVDI, Maybe I need one/ some modules? What can it do that no other tool can not? Only car keys I am not doing is volvo remotes before 2007, need OEM keys and volvo vida/dice.
I also do not have IM608 but thinking of buying, not only for the keys but for the diagnostic. For me it is more and more diagnostic involved wit key making. am I wrong?

Which tools you use?

[owdi]

mqb all keys lost is currently unavailable on all tools , all tools were using the vag servers to complete mqb AKL jobs , or were using vag helper . VAG have closed there servers to all aftermarket at present , so for mqb all keys lost no tools have this coverage at present.

Ok and what about adding keys to a vehicle that isn't AKL? I believe AVDI is capable but issue would be that it's possible that a software update or some work at a VAG dealer updating modules online could erase any keys added by locksmiths that hadn't used ODIS as they could revert the vehicle back to the key config from the VAG servers?

[rapidlocksmiths]

Hello friends. May I ask. I make 3-5 cars a day, keys. I do not have AVDI, Maybe I need one/ some modules? What can it do that no other tool can not? Only car keys I am not doing is volvo remotes before 2007, need OEM keys and volvo vida/dice.
I also do not have IM608 but thinking of buying, not only for the keys but for the diagnostic. For me it is more and more diagnostic involved wit key making. am I wrong?

if currently the only keys you cannot do are old volvo then it sounds like you dont need any more equipment

[baddaren]

I probably missed some things and some cars. I work in sweden in the country side. They do not have a lot of spacy cars here. Mercedes FSB4 I can not do 2016 and newer.
My question was , if investing in AVDI witch is quite expensive. Can it do something no other tool can not? I also have a smart pro, I think I use it 6 times a year, maybe I do the wrong cars?

[rapidlocksmiths]

if you had asked this question 10 years ago then i could have told you plenty of coverage that abrites had that other tools cannot do , but over time the rest reverse engineered and caught up, so abrites has less unique coverage than it once had , so coverage advantages are not what they once were , thus why payback today is tougher than it was 10 and 12 years ago , but still an excellent tool.

the question is , can you use it enough to make it payback in a reasonable time frame.

on psa , fiat , vauxhall and renault you will find it far more reliable on pin reading and key making than im608 , but im608 is making grounds and updates are regular . im608 succeeds when avdi fails and vice versa , most tools have some things they do better than the rest . both tools have there strengths and it is useful having both.

vvdi2 has similar coverage to avdi on bmw and on vag at a more affordable price , again compared to avdi and im608 all have something they are better at .

No one has FBS4 yet , for this you need dealer tool and online security access at present , of course it will get cracked at some point , someone will have it first then the rest play catch up.

personally id advise you work out what coverage you need by identifying what you have already , what cars you are likely to need coverage for in your area , then match the right tool or as is more likely the right tools to your needs .