Bedroom tax 2

[masur123]

They way you go on Gas, makes it sound like its ok to claim more than you are entitled and that those fortunate to be working should be grateful for those people claiming to make their working life worthwhile.

Lets be clear, the majority of comments on here are not painting all claimants with the same brush. However you would be foolish to think there is no one out there milking the system.

Why should I support those people living in a nice 3 bedrooom house when they are a couple, when many working young people cant even get on the ladder, and bu a 2 up 2 down?

Something should be done, whether it be this or something else, but its high time that benefit system reverted back to what it should be. Support through hard times, and providing what you need, and not what you can get for free.

and btwm I have never voted Tory in my life

[flyingpig]

IMHO the bedroom tax is a good thing.... without any doubt it is a good thing.

If you are on benefits and wish to live in a bigger house than you require then you should pay the extra. You should under no circumstances be allowed to live in a 3 / 4 bedroom house when you require only half of the rooms - yet people want to stay there becuase it is their 'home'. If they wish to - let them pay the extra.

People keep saying that there aren't enough 2 bed properties, which is correct, but we wont have that sort of intelligence until people who should be in a smaller house put their name down on the housing list to move.

I work in social housing, and I was out talking to tenants last week on a door knocking exercise, one of the tenants when I told him he would have to find ?11 extra a week, sad he couldnt. I went through that he could, he may have to find work - his reply was his legs are sore. Now that week, I had worked 8 till 8, and was working on a sat / sun doing a door knocking exercise walking around 4 / 5 miles.

How can this not be a good thing?

[Bulld0g]

Now that week, I had worked 8 till 8, and was working on a sat / sun doing a door knocking exercise walking around 4 / 5 miles.

How can this not be a good thing?

It is a good thing, wait till you pick all your overtime up next month

[flyingpig]

It is a good thing, wait till you pick all your overtime up next month

I wish mate... No overtime - it was all free time given by employees....

It was done to inform tenants about the changes in welfare payments, and update our records. Basically if RSL's dont get the rent in they cant pay wages or maintain houses - as they are solely funded from rents with no government subsidy.

There was a demonstration outside a large social housing organisation in Liverpool the other day, and I cannot figure out why - their rent has not changed, and will stay the same. It just goes to show the people who organised it haven't got a clue what is coming, why, and how they will be affected, and by whom......

[GastonJ]

Oddly enough I work, I have all my adult life, I am a 40% tax payer. I hate paying tax, just as everyone else does, I own my own house, couple of cars, a bike yada yada yada... However I also have something called a conscience, I don't walk past people in the street who sell the big issue, even if I have 0 in my pockets - i wander up to a cash machine get some money out and give them some. They are people trying to help themselves, and anyone at all who is trying to help themselves is worth helping, no matter what people think. Well apart from if they're trying to help themselves to my stuff by stealing it

What I can't get over though, and never will, is why (if everyone knows there are people taking the pi$$ out of the welfare system - name them, have their benefits removed) as people on here keep saying, is why there is nothing done about those people and the 99.5% of people who are doing something to try improve their lives are being punished for that 0.5% that are taking the pi$$.

If the Tories really were interested in paying less out in rent then they'd pass legislation capping rents. Private landlords would see their revenues tumble and as a result would reduce their rents because of it. However the Tories won't do that, they do the usual and punish those less well off, and their supporters clap and cheer (mindless lot that they are, but a lot of them are private landlords y'see) That would benefit *everyone* not just those on low incomes, or no income - would that not be better?

I watched the absolute bollox on public sector pensions. "Oh they're better than private pensions, we must reduce public sector pensions!!" No any government who really was trying to do anything would have realised that bringing private sector pensions up to the level of public sector pensions would have benefited *everyone* - but no Tories as usual punish those that they can rather than tackle the real issue. So now instead of 100% of people getting a good pension we have everyone getting less than they were expecting. Are people so fooled by the Tories?

So where have the savings gone? Ah yes they've gone to the bankers. Twisted world and a lot of f**ked up morality. If you want a real laugh ask me how the bankers are paying the money back, I'm sure you'd enjoy it.

I could go on forever at the ills of the world, but wont', the Tories and Libs are just a bunch of evil B*****ds who's only goal in life is to make them and their friends more money.

Back to my conscience, it usually says "don't pi$$ on those below you because one day you might be there and need their help" Just because people have less than you is no reason t take more of it from them.

[masur123]

Hey I hear you about compassion Gas, and of course I have this too.

I left at home at 17 and lived rough for about 8 months. I claimed benefits back then to get back on my feet, and probably claimed for about 2 and a half years. My morals made me get a job and pay that "loan" back, and like you I am a 40% tax payer.

What gets me most about this, is that the system is now seen as a lifestyle. I fully support the genuine claimer having been one myself. I do not suppor the piss taker, who sees this as their lifestyle.

[bobwill]

I watched the absolute bollox on public sector pensions. "Oh they're better than private pensions, we must reduce public sector pensions!!" No any government who really was trying to do anything would have realised that bringing private sector pensions up to the level of public sector pensions

Thats bloody rich Your mate Gordon crook Brown robbed my private pension by altering dividend payments in I think 2002 so what would have been worth about a 1/2 of the pension the civil servants get is know worth a quarter. This is just what The labour party done to my pension it was also robbed by the pension providers so dont run on about private pensions up to public pension labour is the problem they want every one to be reliant on the state

[GastonJ]

That would explain why you're so bitter and twisted that since you have been ripped off then everyone else should lose out just because you have? Great attitude.

You assume that I don't have a private pension and haven't lost out from any bunch being in power. Newsflash I have.

However I still won't take it out on those less fortunate than myself at the end of the day I have a shelter, I have food, and will have in the future as well. I don't need to make myself feel better by taking more from less fortunate than myself to make myself feel better as I look down my nose at them.

Life goes on, you get knocked down, get up again - can't do ck all about it, so why inflict on others what was inflicted upon you?

[bobwill]

That would explain why you're so bitter and twisted that since you have been ripped off then everyone else should lose out just because you have? Great attitude.

You assume that I don't have a private pension and haven't lost out from any bunch being in power. Newsflash I have.

However I still won't take it out on those less fortunate than myself at the end of the day I have a shelter, I have food, and will have in the future as well. I don't need to make myself feel better by taking more from less fortunate than myself to make myself feel better as I look down my nose at them.

Life goes on, you get knocked down, get up again - can't do ck all about it, so why inflict on others what was inflicted upon you?

Nowhere have I said that I want everyone else to be rip off, that's just you trying to turn things to suit . Most of your posts are left wing rants about the nasty party about the lovely immigrants and about the poor getting ripped off by the nasty party .I have not seen anything you written that has been constructive typical middle class champagne socialist .
You think you know what the working class want but you are clueless they dont want millions of immigrants comming into the country making there wages less and having to pay more for they house rents I know you and all your socialist friends are now shouting racist bigot etc we have no freedom off speech unless the left wing agree with it .
I am not a tory and I voted for blair not that done me any good and as my state and private pension is only just over 9 grand a year I dont need lectures from brainwashed lefties on 50 grand plus about how the poor live .
There are other left wing members on here but I find most are very constructive with there arguments
I know that I will get banned for this post but that will not matter as I will not have to read the world according to the loony left

[tornado]

Ok so they dont pay there rent get taken to court and in the end are made homeless,how much do u think that just cost the tax payer, on on top off that they have kids so they end up in a half way house or bnb again its going to cost,u can not get money from someone that just dont have it,should someone on the dole be better off than if they worked well no cos not.I just dont understand how they think this will make things any better if u want to sort all this out all u got to do is this if u have not found work after 2 years on the dole u got to work for it and i dont mean tesco poundland etc it has to be in your local area even if its cleaning it up clean a beach if your near one etc,do it in away your locals gain from it not some big company.That is the only time this will ever become fair for the ones that work and pay tax.

[bonus2010]

if u have not found work after 2 years on the dole u got to work for it

How about just working for the public sector? Examples, librarian, road sweeper, refuse collector, school cleaner, dinner lady, nurse assistant, porter, administration..... ahh the list is endless for occupations catering for all skill levels. Hey, in times of 'austerity' surely it's best to provide 'work experience' for the unemployed in the public sector (not profit organisation) that will help everybody.... not just cleaning beaches though

[Kalipo]

The thing is people will be forced to move to houses or flats in different areas, possibly worse areas, where higher costs are the norm, due to theft, pushing up insurance,limited shops,poor public transport etc.

Then once their old houses are empty will new tenants be easily found that can pay the new rent, without any HB to help pay for it.

[flyingpig]

Ok so they dont pay there rent get taken to court and in the end are made homeless,how much do u think that just cost the tax payer, on on top off that they have kids so they end up in a half way house or bnb again its going to cost,u can not get money from someone that just dont have it,should someone on the dole be better off than if they worked well no cos not.I just dont understand how they think this will make things any better if u want to sort all this out all u got to do is this if u have not found work after 2 years on the dole u got to work for it and i dont mean tesco poundland etc it has to be in your local area even if its cleaning it up clean a beach if your near one etc,do it in away your locals gain from it not some big company.That is the only time this will ever become fair for the ones that work and pay tax.

Unfortunately if an RSL' takes a tenant to court it comes out of their budget and not from the public purse or taxpayers money.

Any social housing, whether that be RSL or LA provided is solely funded from the rents. Nothing comes from central government.

It currently costs (on average) around three to six thousand to take a tenant to court for eviction due to rent loss.

If Housing Providers do not get rent in, they cannot pay wages, they cannot maintain houses, they wont exist. What happens then?

[Snowy79]

I was listening to the radio today and a lot of unemployed in London were getting over ?450 per week accomodation allowances. According to the latest census 37% of London's population was born outside of the UK yet the loony left were arguning if they reduce payments people won't have enough money to pay the rent and have to move. I'm not saying it's all those from overseas that are unemployed and claiming the money but maybe if they were they wouldn't mind moving out of London to somewhere cheaper. After all theve already moved a Country.

If the Government limited all rent payments to ?500 per month regardless where you live, within 6 months either those owning loads of properties will have to sell up bringing more properties onto the market and thus reducing house prices to an affordable rate or they'll have no choice but to reduce the rent.

[jordigirl]

apart from all this why are people from other countries allowed to stay in this country and claim benefits, surely if we cut the amount of immigrants claiming benefits this would cut the housing and benefits bill by quite a bit

dont bite me head off