Bedroom tax 2

[GastonJ]

apart from all this why are people from other countries allowed to stay in this country and claim benefits, surely if we cut the amount of immigrants claiming benefits this would cut the housing and benefits bill by quite a bit

dont bite me head off

Because people from the UK can go to other countries and claim benefits in their countries. It's a reciprocal arrangement around the EU and cannot be changed.

and I thought you were the preying mantis anyway

[jordigirl]

har har

but our benefit system is better than a lot of countries - those that come to just take what they can get should be kicked out
before starting on our own scroungers

[GastonJ]

Dunno I've never claimed benefit in any country, let alone one in Europe. Job for you if you're bored, surf tinternet and compare benefits across the EU, drop it in a spreadsheet and let us know TBH most here spend more on a Friday night out than people get in benefits a week anyway.

[maca]

And thats wrong ?? you work for it spend it how you like ....

[GastonJ]

Never said it was wrong, just putting it into perspective

[bonus2010]

apart from all this why are people from other countries allowed to stay in this country and claim benefits, surely if we cut the amount of immigrants claiming benefits this would cut the housing and benefits bill by quite a bit

dont bite me head off

this is due to European Union rules... I've heard that EU citizens are entitled to be treated the same as those of a member state, which means entitled to the same benefits as a UK citizen


Oh... let us not all forget that the personal allowance for an unemployed adult is ?71/wk . even less if you are under 25 I think Imagine ?10.14/day to live on

[maca]

Instead of buying the big issue why not give them a brick instead then in time they'll have enough to build there own house only a 1 bedroom 1 like..

[GastonJ]

Kelloggs had the answer, larger boxes that a full household could live in when they got into arrears

[super jumbe]

Ffs use your brain why pay for extra bedroom if you do not use them, do as I would do, suppose you have 5 bedroom house and you use 1 bedroom the next 4 rooms you fit 4 toilets that way they can not tax you?

[flyingpig]

apart from all this why are people from other countries allowed to stay in this country and claim benefits, surely if we cut the amount of immigrants claiming benefits this would cut the housing and benefits bill by quite a bit

dont bite me head off

We have a lot of brits in spain, tenerife, cyrpus, gibralta yada yada yada etc etc etc who live in them countries and claim benefits from those countries. My brother lived in Denmark and he claimed Danish benefits from their system.

[flyingpig]

Ffs use your brain why pay for extra bedroom if you do not use them, do as I would do, suppose you have 5 bedroom house and you use 1 bedroom the next 4 rooms you fit 4 toilets that way they can not tax you?

I like your way of thinking --- haha.. would end of lot of confusion. Unfortunately it is more complicated than just saying it is now a store cupboard / toilet / dining room etc....

Just cant be done am afraid...

[maca]

Ffs use your brain why pay for extra bedroom if you do not use them, do as I would do, suppose you have 5 bedroom house and you use 1 bedroom the next 4 rooms you fit 4 toilets that way they can not tax you?

Then you have 4 bedrooms with en suites ..

[rds60h]

We have a lot of brits in spain, tenerife, cyrpus, gibralta yada yada yada etc etc etc who live in them countries and claim benefits from those countries. My brother lived in Denmark and he claimed Danish benefits from their system.

A large number of Brits abroad are pensioners and claim their pensions from the UK !!!!
Yes Brits abroad can claim the benefits of the European country they are in, but those benefits are in most cases nowhere near as accomodating as the benefits here.
The reason for that is that we pay more into our welfare state so that if we are unfortunate enough to require those benefits then at least we should not be in poverty, however this system has been abused by some people for many years and is now also being abused by some coming from the EU and beyond because they know that they can receive more here than in their own home countries.
As an instance, those who come here from the EU can be placed on the housing waiting lists as homeless an become a priority, if you are British and are genuinely homeless you must prove you have not made yourself homeless (which can include lossing your own property through reduced wages/redundancy etc) and if you cannot prove this you cannot even get on a council waiting list....................So were all those who came from the EU and elsewhere homeless before coming here or did they give up housing before coming here ?
I suggest the latter is most likely the truth, in which case they should not be eligable for council housing, if this ruling was adhered to there would be more social housing available for those who have contributed to the system.
I had paid into the system for almost 40 years until 2 years ago health issues meant I had to claim unemployment benefits and I have been made to feel like a liar and scrounger and have been on reduced benefits pending an appeal tribunal.
I hate being associated with the likes of some of the scrounging scum I have encountered at the DWP but I am treated with the same disdain as them but am not even receiving equivalent benefits.
There are many, many things wrong with how the benefits system is administered and many of the proposed changes are going to make life worse for many genuine claimants.
Without trying to sound racist, it is time this country looked aften it's own first and restricted benefits to those from abroad, the EU benefits system is supposed to be recipricol, so pay those from elsewhere what they would be entitled to in their home country or restrict benefits to those who have or whose families have contributed.
They say you get nothing for nothing................until you come here it seems.
Sorry for such a long rant, but I can see both sides of the arguement and can agree with some comments from both sides.

[flyingpig]

A large number of Brits abroad are pensioners and claim their pensions from the UK !!!!
Yes Brits abroad can claim the benefits of the European country they are in, but those benefits are in most cases nowhere near as accomodating as the benefits here.
The reason for that is that we pay more into our welfare state so that if we are unfortunate enough to require those benefits then at least we should not be in poverty, however this system has been abused by some people for many years and is now also being abused by some coming from the EU and beyond because they know that they can receive more here than in their own home countries.
As an instance, those who come here from the EU can be placed on the housing waiting lists as homeless an become a priority, if you are British and are genuinely homeless you must prove you have not made yourself homeless (which can include lossing your own property through reduced wages/redundancy etc) and if you cannot prove this you cannot even get on a council waiting list....................So were all those who came from the EU and elsewhere homeless before coming here or did they give up housing before coming here ?
I suggest the latter is most likely the truth, in which case they should not be eligable for council housing, if this ruling was adhered to there would be more social housing available for those who have contributed to the system.
I had paid into the system for almost 40 years until 2 years ago health issues meant I had to claim unemployment benefits and I have been made to feel like a liar and scrounger and have been on reduced benefits pending an appeal tribunal.
I hate being associated with the likes of some of the scrounging scum I have encountered at the DWP but I am treated with the same disdain as them but am not even receiving equivalent benefits.
There are many, many things wrong with how the benefits system is administered and many of the proposed changes are going to make life worse for many genuine claimants.
Without trying to sound racist, it is time this country looked aften it's own first and restricted benefits to those from abroad, the EU benefits system is supposed to be recipricol, so pay those from elsewhere what they would be entitled to in their home country or restrict benefits to those who have or whose families have contributed.
They say you get nothing for nothing................until you come here it seems.
Sorry for such a long rant, but I can see both sides of the arguement and can agree with some comments from both sides.

Have you checked what they get, or are you summising. I can't generalise or give any other specific information than that of my brother who was on a far better dead living in Denmark on the welfare state. Unfrotunately he split up with his missus, and because of the state (not welfare) struggled to see and support his kids - so he came back to England....

They were on much better pickings than what he could ever claim over here in Britain. I also know that in Germany and France you are given a better deal but only for a short amount of time, and it is fixed to 24 months' ish..... then you are on handouts and charity. Which I think overall is a better system anyway.

[thered]

this is due to European Union rules... I've heard that EU citizens are entitled to be treated the same as those of a member state, which means entitled to the same benefits as a UK citizen


Oh... let us not all forget that the personal allowance for an unemployed adult is ?71/wk . even less if you are under 25 I think Imagine ?10.14/day to live on

Pretty sure not 100% though you cannot just come to uk from Poland say and claim jsa or income support

I think you have to work

If you come work for a month lose job then you can claim ok you have same rights as every brit