CCTV CAMERAS, WHAT A JOKE

[badapple]

The use of CCTV cameras around the country is a joke.
Official figures report that less that ONE crime is being solved to every 1000 cameras. tens of thousends of pounds have been spent on the CCTVs using our Council Tax money and the end results are a joke!
Most of this money could have been used on other worthy projects.
It has been reported that the use of CCTV cameras in other countrys like France and Germany has a much, much higher outcome in resolving crime.

Its like everything else in the UK... A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!

[chroma]

its just part of the master plan.

Much in the same way that most of the stuff in a recycling bin goes to the landfill anyway (just to get people conditioned to seperating garbage)

The roadmap is straightforward enough, install as many cameras as possible till people become used to being watched. The new local high schools even have CCTV installed in the bathrooms, the council has deemed this appropriate so long as they dnt face the cubicles...

Anyway this is only phase 1 from what i can gather.
Phase 2 is the instalation of hardware with facial recognition software.

Current gen software just calculates the distance between your eyes which differers fro person to person, then the distance between the eyes and mouth to give an even greater accuracy (and work even when someones wearing a mask) and finaly the positioning of somones nose to get a result thats stupidly accurate.
Currently facial recog takes way too much horespower and overall resources to deem it fit, the sheer ammount of math involved to accurately determine someones features from another is very intensive.
Software is getting more and more optimised however and moores law states that transistor counts will effectively double every 18months means that hardware to run a nationwide network will eventualy become not only powerful enough but also affordable.

In a few years you'll leave your home and be picked up by a camera, ran against a database and your movements effectively tracked automaticaly and to a very high degree of accuracy, all without any human interaction.

Any crime happens and the cops can simply check up the regions database and see who was in the vacinity and automaticaly have a suspect list filled with names and addresses with statistics to whom exectly was most likely to not only have been there but commit the crime.

This is no bad thing in and of itself, but everyone knows how projects can mutate, hey we can find criminals fairly easily, what about fraudsters? wee jimmy is claming job seekers i wonder what hes up to? the database will already have a log of all wee jimmies movements for the past few weeks so finding out if hes actualy out looking for work or sitting on his arse or in the pub.

This is good it saves money, but saving money isnt nearly enough, what about making money? i know for a fee we chan charge employers and companies access to the logs of individuals.
for a fee my work can pa to gain access to my movements and figure out wether my gran really did die over the weekend or if im just suffering from a bummer of a hangover.

This is great, but hell thats only a drop in the bucket, how often do people drive? i mean if people drive more than others then clearly we could charge them more road tax, simply tie in the anpr database stats with the facial system and youve got everything you need to form accurate stats as to how much a person travels... without the need to use those GPS devices the public was so vehmently opposed to.

Hopefully by then our garbage really will be getting fully recycled instead of just dumped

[opsmonkey]

this country is a joke when it comes to wasting money..

Germany refurbed / built all of thier stadiums for the 2006 world cup for a price cheaper than it was to build the new Wembley Stadium

[-Hox-]

I'm no criminal, but I hate the way this country is going. A Big Brother situation ain't too far away... I just think it's shite.

That said, if you've got nothing to hide, then no problem... but I still hate the thought of being watched.

[Saltire]

The use of CCTV cameras around the country is a joke.
Official figures report that less that ONE crime is being solved to every 1000 cameras. tens of thousends of pounds have been spent on the CCTVs using our Council Tax money and the end results are a joke!
Most of this money could have been used on other worthy projects.
It has been reported that the use of CCTV cameras in other countrys like France and Germany has a much, much higher outcome in resolving crime.

Its like everything else in the UK... A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!

i seen that in the news the other day, what you forgot to mention though mate is how many offences the cctv cameras helped police with too, see too many people desperate just to moan about summit and they dont know the entire facts.

The cctv cameras helped the police with thousands of crimes.

[opsmonkey]

everyone should also carry an ID card.. I'm in the military and have to carry one everywhere i go..

why does 'Jo Public' moan so much about ID cards..

Only people it seems to worry are Crims and lefty hippies (who arent happy unless we are all shagging each other and smoking herb)

[Saltire]

everyone should also carry an ID card.. I'm in the military and have to carry one everywhere i go..

why does 'Jo Public' moan so much about ID cards..

Only people it seems to worry are Crims and lefty hippies (who arent happy unless we are all shagging each other and smoking herb)

here here, i agree

[chroma]

everyone should also carry an ID card.. I'm in the military and have to carry one everywhere i go..

why does 'Jo Public' moan so much about ID cards..

Only people it seems to worry are Crims and lefty hippies (who arent happy unless we are all shagging each other and smoking herb)

Im vehmently opposed to ID cards.
That being said i have absoloutly no desire to hug trees and consider myself right wing on most policies. I dont consider myself to be a terrorist or criminal by any stretch either.

Im against it for several reasons, only one of which is that i see them doing far more harm then of being any real benifit.
They will rapidly become a money pit. stick as a bone of contention to your aveage citizen and frankly avoid solving every problem theyre proposed to solve.

Theres a reason Churchill scrapped em after the war,

[Saltire]

whats the big deal though, ? if youve not done anything and you plan in not breaking the law ever, then why would anyone ever complain about id cards ?? they will pay for themselfs quickly once they help filter out all the criminals and the illegal imigrants, they should be made compulsory very soon as far as iam concerened, and by the way, ive not always been squeeky clean, LOL.

anyway, we'r going off subject of the cctv, its amazing how people only look at the headline in the news saying "only 1 crime solved with cctv", they should read all the stories and see that the cctv cameras have actually helped the police with thousands of crimes and helped to actually be a visual deterrant too, i know that i wouldnt be commiting crimes in full view of cameras, thats for the stupid idiots to do, , who quickly get caught and mopped up.

[badapple]

i seen that in the news the other day, what you forgot to mention though mate is how many offences the cctv cameras helped police with too, see too many people desperate just to moan about summit and they dont know the entire facts.

The cctv cameras helped the police with thousands of crimes.

I agree, that CCTV cameras HAVE helped the Police to resolve crimes, but their own figures show that "less than 1 crime has been resolved for every 1000 cameras." This to me does not justy the cost of buying, installing, maintaining and monotiring the system. CCTV cameras ARE a good thing to have buy surely they have to produce justifiable results.
Half of the CCTV cameras are not working and the other half have no one monotoring them, so how are they fighting crime?

About 8 months ago my brothers car was broken into, despite having a motorised CCTV camera on the corner of the road, the Police said there was NO CCTV camera recording. We asked the council, if the camera was working or not and 7 months later, we are still waiting for a reply.
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As for carrying ID cards, I fail to see how this will stop or help resolve crimes.
If a mugger go out to mug someone, what is he going to think,
"Oh, I cant mug this old man, because I have a ID card in my pocket."

Id cards are just another way for the establishment to collect ALL your private details, which they will use for their own purposes.
ID cards are already being used in other countries and there is NO evidence to say they have helped to resolve crimes.

[Saltire]

your personal issues with the cctv cameras isnt really in question is it, thats a different argument that you guys are fighting, you cannot forget the thousands of times cctv has helped the police with crimes in one way or another.

the id cards, well, the mugger you quote, through time (takes many many years) will be caught, when everyone has thier DNA and ID on record, then and only then will we start to see the effect of these things, as ive says before, iam by no way squeeky clean, infact ive never been, , but i know now that since the police have my DNA and have done for years, and then the ID cards, i can tell ya i wont be in any hurry to go breaking the law, and the sooner that we get everyone tagged so to speak the better, theres too many slimey criminals out there that keep slipping the net all the time, and with all the correct measures in place we wouldnt have these problems, will take years though like i say.

I could raise another question, do you or anyone else disagree with having your DNA took in order to help crime ? same as the id card question i would say although the DNA is far more advanced.

iam even in strong favour of serving every petty crime and criminal with a fine etc, even kids, if not kids then at least thier parents, no litter dropping, no nothing !!! hit crime at the root like a weedkiller kills a weed, thats the soloution, takes years though, i mean, why should i spend so much time showing my kids how to live and abide by the law when theres so many layabout filthy mothers and fathers out there who cant even show thier kids the rights and wrongs of simple things like putting rubbish in a bin rather than on the street, string them all up i say !!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s
can i ask, people such as yourself or others in same way of thinking, what do you want to do, would you rather there was no cctv at all, no id cards, no DNA taken, nothing, is that what you all want, iam not asking this question to be cheeky, iam serious in asking this question ???

[tacochuck]

Here is one example of why ID cards should be carried! Spring Grove, Pa. - A suspect in a knifepoint robbery in York County left his identification at the scene of the crime, according to police.

Southwestern Regional police say Brock J. Tiehel, 21, of New Oxford, approached the 18-year-old victim and his friends in Hanover and asked if they wanted to go to a party in Spring Grove. The victim and his friends agreed and followed Tiehel in their vehicles.

Police say Tiehel and the victims ended up in a parking lot in the 100 block of East College Avenue, where Tiehel pulled a knife and demanded money. The victim complied and Tiehel ran off with the cash, police said.





Police said the victim and his friends ran in the direction where Tiehel fled and found his wallet on the ground.

Tiehel was charged with robbery, terroristic threats, theft and receiving stolen property.

[gmb45]

everyone should also carry an ID card.. I'm in the military and have to carry one everywhere i go..

why does 'Jo Public' moan so much about ID cards..

Only people it seems to worry are Crims and lefty hippies (who arent happy unless we are all shagging each other and smoking herb)

hmmmmm might become a hippy

[badapple]

I am not saying there should be no CCTV cameras. CCTV cameras ARE a good thing to have, if they are fully used for the purpose of preventing crime. What is the point in having a CTTV camera on every street corner when half are not working and the other half have no one monotoring them.
Yes, granted that many thousands of crimes HAVE been resolved using CCTV cameras but it seems not enough to justyfie the amount of cameras and the ?milliond spent on them.

It like, if a crime is being committed and a CCTV camera is pointing at that direction, if the camera is not working or if its not being monotored, then its preety much useless, the crime has been committed and no one is any wiser. The Police may look through the footage 2/3 day later(if the CCTV was working)
and MAY be able to find out who committed the crime but this hasent prevented the crime from taking place in the first place.
I dont think the Police have the manpower or time to look through every CCTV to try and resolve crimes.

Its just like the road speed cameras, they dont prevent you from speeding, do they. You just slow down when approaching a speed camea and once you have passed it, you just speed up again.

There must be loads of crimes that have been committed, picked up by the CCTV, which was not monitored and the crime not reported to the Police. This does not prevent crime.
These cameras are only good if ALL are working and monitored 24/7.

As for the ID cards, again I dont think that this will help prevent or resolve many crimes. I also strongly object to giving my presonal details and DNA to the authorities(who cannot be trusted). I am not a criminal, have never been arrested or charged with any crime so why should I be treated like a criminal! The Police already have powers to obtain details and DNA of the people they arrest.
As alredy mentioned, other countries already have ID cards and there is no evidence to suggest that this has helped to reduced or resolve many crime.

I strongly object to the invasion of my privacy especially as I have broken no laws.

[Saltire]

I am not saying there should be no CCTV cameras. CCTV cameras ARE a good thing to have, if they are fully used for the purpose of preventing crime. What is the point in having a CTTV camera on every street corner when half are not working and the other half have no one monotoring them.
Yes, granted that many thousands of crimes HAVE been resolved using CCTV cameras but it seems not enough to justyfie the amount of cameras and the ?milliond spent on them.

It like, if a crime is being committed and a CCTV camera is pointing at that direction, if the camera is not working or if its not being monotored, then its preety much useless, the crime has been committed and no one is any wiser. The Police may look through the footage 2/3 day later(if the CCTV was working)
and MAY be able to find out who committed the crime but this hasent prevented the crime from taking place in the first place.
I dont think the Police have the manpower or time to look through every CCTV to try and resolve crimes.

Its just like the road speed cameras, they dont prevent you from speeding, do they. You just slow down when approaching a speed camea and once you have passed it, you just speed up again.

There must be loads of crimes that have been committed, picked up by the CCTV, which was not monitored and the crime not reported to the Police. This does not prevent crime.
These cameras are only good if ALL are working and monitored 24/7.

As for the ID cards, again I dont think that this will help prevent or resolve many crimes. I also strongly object to giving my presonal details and DNA to the authorities(who cannot be trusted). I am not a criminal, have never been arrested or charged with any crime so why should I be treated like a criminal! The Police already have powers to obtain details and DNA of the people they arrest.
As alredy mentioned, other countries already have ID cards and there is no evidence to suggest that this has helped to reduced or resolve many crime.

I strongly object to the invasion of my privacy especially as I have broken no laws.

so you strongly object to having your privacy invaded yet at the same time you hope that they find the problem with the camera on your brothers car and catch the culprits, , in other words you dont object really if the culprits are caught when its your or yours property involved, as for you having been a law abiding citizen, dont worry, you wont have to come forward to give your details anytime soon, the question i asked was in reality, what do we have to fear about something that can only do us good in the end product, ID cards, DNA, its not a big deal really, they already take peoples DNA when you get arrested anyway and have done for years, so again, whats the big deal ??

All i can hear is alarm bells ringing when people get very objectional about having cctv, id cards and dna, nothing to hide ?? then whats your problem, please state clearly apart from just the usual "i object stuff", afterall, this society we are living in is trying to make things safer for us all, so why should we even have time for people like yourself mate ??? people like you need your house broke into 10 times, car stole 6 times and yourself assaulted 2 times, then you might see where the whole tagging thing kicks in, you quite obviously dont so far.