methadone

[Bulld0g]

Thats not very politically correct now is it m8

[thered]

Thats not very politically correct now is it m8

ok them m8 ~~~ em all

[Bulld0g]

Totally agree with you m8

[chroma]

Methadone is entirely synthetic it doesnt even require poppies.
It was developed initialy in Germany just prior to the 2nd world war (the success of the 1st war can be attributed to lack of morphene for the axis troops and who wants a shell casing in the face when its going to hurt?) So german scientists cooked up Methadone as a soloution.

The fact remains however that it wasnt fully developed untill after the 2nd world war and was manufactured initialy by Americans instead of Germans under the name of Dolphine (latin dolor "pain" fin "end") this became news in the tabloids at the time and headlined as "adolphine" which gave rise to the fact that hitler invented the stuff.

Poppy seeds are taken before theyre ripe and sliced open and they leak a white milky substance known as crude opiate which is fairly weak, its only after refining that you get Morhine and if you refine that further you get Diamorphine or pure heroin.
Cut that with some caffine and some paracetamol or asprin and you get baseline heroin, cut that with whatever you can get your hands on (chalk, cement, more paracetamol, pro plus, strichnyne etc) and you get smack.

The great thing about heroin is its synergetic properties, combine diamorphine with paracetamol for instance and you get a drug more potent than the sum of its parts, it supercharges and gets supercharged from other drugs so a 1part heroin to 1 part paracetamol coctail feels like its actualy around 6:6 parts instead of 1:1 of each.

Methadone doesnt synergise nearly as well.

Methadone does have one shining property though, heroins effects last 6-9 hrs at best, methadones effects can last up to 20odd hrs (which is predominantly why its used to wean off heroin addicts)

Poppies are EASY to cultivate, theyre extremely diverse and tolerant of conditions, so all the UK's medical diamoprhine and morphine is actualy self cultivated, we dont import from the triad or afghan, we grow the stuff on our own doorsteps primarily Hampshire and the rest from the south of england. Any heroin imports (legal pharmacuitical grade) comes predominantly from Switzerland.
Its the illegal stuff (ie SMACK) thats of unknown origin and likely to be from triad or taliban controlled fields.

Morphine is extremely valuable in combat situations hence the reason we grow our own, lose your supply and you lose the ability to control pain in your troops and they become reluctant to fight. Primpary importing is dangerous at best because you can lose your supply lines during wartime, then youve lost the fight.
Grow your own and you can control quality and quantity.

Its interesting to note that we created the bulk of our heroin addicts from the 2nd world war, people became addicted to the morphine after injuries and moved on to smack, at one point Brighton was the heroin capital of Europe with a massive amount of war vets hooked on junk that smack flooded its shores.
This is the reason that the heroin programmes came into fruition, i mean theyre war vets! Anyone who can willfully put a man down for being a smack head after hes been all over Europe defending you and yours and now needs a drug to feel a sense of normality should be helped as much as possible instead of condoned.

[Lainie]

thank you all for your replies. cant say i understand all of yours chroma but your a clever cookie and i believe what you say etc.

@forntida - i dont put people forward for new deal - thats the jobcentres job. i just take their claims to benefit esp esa as its amazing how many people suddenly claim sickness benefits when they are due to go on new deal etc.

i just couldnt believe they got preferential treatment and was flabbergasted at 4 of them coming in in such a short space of time. i lived in paisley for 20 yrs and honest to god i wouldnt know where to go for drugs and ive never tried anything in my life (although i was a cigarette smoker till 7 yrs ago). ive obviously lead a sheltered life.

i do hear people on the phone claiming benefits and sometimes they can hardly string a sentence together. new claims to benefit are now taken on the phone as the amount of claims forms that came into the dwp to claim jsa or incapacity benefit (when it existed) that were either wrong or illegible was astonishing. staff used to get threatened at the jobcentre as it was taking so long to process their claims - one member of staff was stabbed!

it amazes me though as some of these people say they cant read or write etc but most have mobile phones and i bet they are texting all the time!!

[gmb45]

i think they server them straightaway to stop them kicking off and so they can get em out of the chemist asap... i understand that it is a herion subsitute and not cocaine addicts though..

as nige said its to get them off heroin, i know a few people on it, i asked them what it does to them, some said it makes them feel "normal" , more like they addicted to it, these people had been on it quite a while, so why wasnt they weaning them off it ? as for cost i wouldnt like to imagine how much it is, 1 thing that makes me really mad is 5x more money is pumped into drub rehabilitation than for alcohol rehabilitation just because alcohol is legal

[forntida]

[QUOTE=Lainie;302035]@forntida - i dont put people forward for new deal - thats the jobcentres job. i just take their claims to benefit esp esa as its amazing how many people suddenly claim sickness benefits when they are due to go on new deal etc.
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Did I mention your name Lainie? (Yes I did )

[mickydibble]

i think to keep costs down ,give them as much heroin as they want ,as long as its for them(this would have to be proved!!!),we dont want them driving big bmw`s or mercs we`ll leave that to the dealers who would be making shite money and would have to get a job....and of course with as much heroin as they can handle ,they wouldnt be causing a nusiance.....and would soon disappear from society........sorry.... i say this yet my cousin died from an overdose of methadone some years ago. amounts of methadone should be controlled at clinics and not be able to walk away with a shitload of drugs!!!!!!