Gary Glitter Execution

[cgscott]

Should be good Viewing.

The 90-minute Channel 4 film reintroduces the death penalty to Britain and explores public attitudes to it.

Glitter, whose real name is Paul Gadd, signed the Sex Offenders' Register last year after spending time in jail in Vietnam for child sex offences.

He had previously spent four months in prison in the UK in 1999 for downloading child ~~~~ography.

In the drama, called The Execution of Gary Glitter, the fallen star is the first person to be tried under the new Capital Crimes Against Children legislation.

The film has been shot in the style of a documentary and follows Glitter's fictional arrest and police interview.

Channel 4's head of documentaries Hamish Mykura said: "High profile crimes against children often prompt calls for the return of the death penalty - this drama confronts the public with what many say they want."

He added that it is "an intelligent and thought-provoking examination of the issue".

Kate Allen from the human rights charity Amnesty International UK does not believe capital punishment deters crime.

She told Sky News Online: "We've always found that public support for capital punishment falls dramatically when people are confronted with the grim reality of what it means to put a person on trial for their life and then kill them.

"In the end, I don't think the death penalty is what people in the UK really want."


Show to air on Monday 09 November, 9PM on Channel 4

[ruudvandan]

this is essential viewing for me. i wonder what GG himself makes of it and whether or not he gave his permission for this

[middots3]

i think the death penalty should be reintroduced to paedophiles and child sex crimes, aswell as murder.

however, ill probs be giving this a watch

[chroma]

"In the end, I don't think the death penalty is what people in the UK really want."

No because what the UK really want is to be robbed of more taxes to hole criminals up in nicel little heated rooms with en suite facilities, 24hr company in the form of another crininal, an educational system and entertainment facilities.

Only to then spend more money paying to feed the bastards and supply them with a medical service that outstrips almost every other countries basic law abiding citizen... right?

Like ive said before, take them out on a field at halftime and broadcast them internationaly being mutilated tortured and killed, only to have their heads stuck on pikes and mounted outside No.10 downing street as a warning to any would be terrorists.

I mean if i see a people doing some seriously sick and twisted shit to their own citizens then im less likely to go there and mess with the locals.

This would help to eleviate some of the immigration problem (i mean who want to willingly go to a country where benifit fraud will get you flayed alive then set on fire at halftime?) and it will ward of attacks, cause i mean if they do that to themselves just imagine how far they could go with an enemy.

People in this country dont have the stomach for that kind of thing though, it would spoil their xfactor and prozac utopia.

[cgscott]

"In the end, I don't think the death penalty is what people in the UK really want."

No because what the UK really want is to be robbed of more taxes to hole criminals up in nicel little heated rooms with en suite facilities, 24hr company in the form of another crininal, an educational system and entertainment facilities.

Only to then spend more money paying to feed the bastards and supply them with a medical service that outstrips almost every other countries basic law abiding citizen... right?

Like ive said before, take them out on a field at halftime and broadcast them internationaly being mutilated tortured and killed, only to have their heads stuck on pikes and mounted outside No.10 downing street as a warning to any would be terrorists.

I mean if i see a people doing some seriously sick and twisted shit to their own citizens then im less likely to go there and mess with the locals.

This would help to eleviate some of the immigration problem (i mean who want to willingly go to a country where benifit fraud will get you flayed alive then set on fire at halftime?) and it will ward of attacks, cause i mean if they do that to themselves just imagine how far they could go with an enemy.

People in this country dont have the stomach for that kind of thing though, it would spoil their xfactor and prozac utopia.

Personally i can stomach anything.

I have been a served both sides of her HM
services Army and prison don't know where you get the heated rooms comment from because it ~~~~in freezin in the jail.

As for the en suite facilities its little more than a shitter in the corner and you have to decide if you or your (peter)mate goes as screws have a spyhole where they can see everyhting.

You also mentioned medical treatment!

I broke my hand whilst in jail..

Small finger it was but they took me to hospital and seen it was a clean break..

Took them 6 days to get round to taking me back for the cast to get set.

I for one wont go back until i break the law again.

[chroma]

Personally i can stomach anything.

I have been a served both sides of her HM
services Army and prison don't know where you get the heated rooms comment from because it ~~~~in freezin in the jail.

As for the en suite facilities its little more than a shitter in the corner and you have to decide if you or your (peter)mate goes as screws have a spyhole where they can see everyhting.

You also mentioned medical treatment!

I broke my hand whilst in jail..

Small finger it was but they took me to hospital and seen it was a clean break..

Took them 6 days to get round to taking me back for the cast to get set.

I for one wont go back until i break the law again.

What i mean by healthcare is how much did it cost you to have your finger fixed?

Most other contries will charge you for everything, X rays in the states for instance can run yo between 25 and 1000 dollars, then theres materials like surgical plaster and bandaging, doctors time consult fees and taxes all thrown in.

So my point is that healthcare costs money, a UK prisoner still gets provided it for free by care of the tax payer.

The en suite point was more sarchasm than anything else.

I personaly know a few people who are in and out of jail for instance because its a cheap and easy alternative for rehab.

Get smacked up, get bored go do a stint for some thefts and essentialy have everything provided for you, come back out and repeat. Im not saying prison is luxurious, but luxury is a relative term.

If you can neither afford food, electricity heating or hot water then a UK prison is like a holiday resort, its wide open to abuse.

I just feel that the money spent on housing and rehabilitating serious criminals could better invested in a childs future by funding a trade, or pumped into education or funneled into healthcare or even as a novel idea channeled back as a tax break for the average law abiding joe on the street.

[cgscott]

What i mean by healthcare is how much did it cost you to have your finger fixed?

Most other contries will charge you for everything, X rays in the states for instance can run yo between 25 and 1000 dollars, then theres materials like surgical plaster and bandaging, doctors time consult fees and taxes all thrown in.

So my point is that healthcare costs money, a UK prisoner still gets provided it for free by care of the tax payer.

The en suite point was more sarchasm than anything else.

I personaly know a few people who are in and out of jail for instance because its a cheap and easy alternative for rehab.

Get smacked up, get bored go do a stint for some thefts and essentialy have everything provided for you, come back out and repeat. Im not saying prison is luxurious, but luxury is a relative term.

If you can neither afford food, electricity heating or hot water then a UK prison is like a holiday resort, its wide open to abuse.

I just feel that the money spent on housing and rehabilitating serious criminals could better invested in a childs future by funding a trade, or pumped into education or funneled into healthcare or even as a novel idea channeled back as a tax break for the average law abiding joe on the street.

Couldn't agree more but when governed by a bunch of idiots what can we expect.

I agree with you that people go in and out of jail and it does cost the taxpayers billions a year but you will always get your junkie peeps and people with no ambition.

Our country is in a bad way but to point blame on criminals is a bit harsh. If we never let people into our country it wouldve left doors open for others. Jobs in cleaning industry etc.

We have been mugged by ur own mob.

PS.. The meals in prison isn't what you think...To feed a prisoner a day is only ?1.09.

Its the staffing the prisons that cost and the funding of prisons is like military funding. The governor is paid almost ?100,000. Almost 250 under staff at the local jail so work that out.

Thats where the funding goes.

As the jails other duties is done internally..

Cooking cleaning..mowing of lawns etc..All designated jobs to certain blocks and people.

Saying that the ?5.90 wage for a 6 day week is the taxpayers money.

[chroma]

I dont lay the blame of the countries woes soley at the feet of criminals i just state that it doesnt help in any positive way, its a deficit where there could be none.

This being said however the death penalty is final, that is to say if you've been wrongfully imprisoned then bummer you've lost some time, if you've been wrongfully executed, thats another story.

Stopping immigration is impossable, its always going to happen and im not against immigration per se, however the system is being rampantly abused.

I dont see why my taxes should be sent out of the country to feed some polish migrants family for example.
The pont is migrants know the uk is a soft touch and easy pickings and with the way the recent developments in the EU this will only get worse over time not better.

Reflecting over today, all those servicemen whom died to protect our soverignty and freedoms would be turning in their grave. The only thing that sacrifice seems to have prevented is a German accent.

We've become a nation of soft, fuzzy, warm carebears and everyone else around the globe seems to know it (except for out own elected officials who still delude themselves, believing its still the "golden age" of imperialistic power) and we often find ourselves getting bent over and shafted because we no longer have the balls to make a stand and make the drastic changes across the board that are nessisary to rectify the situation. Do something? make a stand? that would cause offence to some other nation and thats not very British.

A once proud nation who had the likes of Newton (gravity), Bell (telephony), Jenner (innoculations), Fkemming (penicillin) Watson-Watt (radar), Stevenson (steam engine) and more. A nation of people whom largely invented and pioneered the modern world who've now squandered it. And for what? so a handful at the top can buy another yaught?

There are plenty of problems to pick apart and do someting about, the first should be addressing the problem that no one seems to really care to do anything any more if its not lining their own pockets.

[bvilleuk]

We've become a nation of soft, fuzzy, warm carebears and everyone else around the globe seems to know it (except for out own elected officials who still delude themselves, believing its still the "golden age" of imperialistic power) and we often find ourselves getting bent over and shafted because we no longer have the balls to make a stand and make the drastic changes across the board that are nessisary to rectify the situation. Do something? make a stand? that would cause offence to some other nation and thats not very British.

Too many DO GOODERS that's what is wrong with our Country -- if there's a EU Rule that the French or the Germans don't like they IGNORE it -- but not Britain -- we must retain our "perfect" record to impress everyone else...

A once proud nation who had the likes of Newton (gravity), Bell (telephony), Jenner (innoculations), Fkemming (penicillin) Watson-Watt (radar), Stevenson (steam engine) and more. A nation of people whom largely invented and pioneered the modern world who've now squandered it. And for what? so a handful at the top can buy another yaught?

A once proud nation full of inventors whose inventions the Government said cost too much to follow up -- so they sold the Patents to the USA [e.g. the Hovercraft]........... Now we have to pay to use our own inventions...

What do I think of CAPITAL PUNISHMENT ????

CAPITAL !!

Epitaph: To stop me raving and to end on a brighter note, Chroma forgot some other famous British Inventors -- Gladstone invented the Bag, Wellington invented the Boot and Jock - well, we won't go into what he invented...

[Uhu]

Gary Glitter? Is'nt he still in jail?
So is he best know for his music? Well i remember him for worse thing...

[Raven]

Kate Allen from the human rights charity Amnesty International UK does not believe capital punishment deters crime.

She told Sky News Online: "We've always found that public support for capital punishment falls dramatically when people are confronted with the grim reality of what it means to put a person on trial for their life and then kill them.

"In the end, I don't think the death penalty is what people in the UK really want."

And who is this do-gooder to say what the people of Britain want and what we don't want. Maybe capital punishment is exactly what's needed to deter crime, because when convicted of a crime and your life is on the line - if you get a second chance - you're likely to think twice! The only obvious thing with capital punishment is 2 fold - it has to fit the crime, and there can be no doubts about the liability of the accused.

As it is though even life in prison is just not punishment enough for some evil people or the families of their victims. Capital punishment would rectify things like this.

[bvilleuk]

Maybe capital punishment is exactly what's needed to deter crime, because when convicted of a crime and your life is on the line - if you get a second chance - you're likely to think twice!

Thinking along the same lines:

Would there be as much shop lifting if shop lifters had a hand cut off ??!! I think not.

This would certainly send out a warning to others who believe you can commit any crime against the Public in this country with impunity.....

They sin against all of us because we all have to pay the cost in increased prices.

We had a discussion the other day.....

Would you report someone you saw shop lifting??

Well -- would you ??

[krazylegz]

personally i think we should bring back capital punishment, proven murderers, rapists, kiddie fiddlers etc should all get executed, why should we pay millions to keep the likes of ian huntley, baby p's killers alive?? they took a live so why should they keep theres?? execute the tw@ts!!!!

[ruudvandan]

all of Western Europe has abolished the death penalty. But the USA has a higher murder rate per capita than all of Western Europe. Canada, the USA's closest neighbour has a much lower murder rate.

Look at the following table and see who's above the USA for mureder rate: Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

None of those countries are fully developed, to what we would call "first world" countries. Jamaica comes in at 3rd and they still have the death penalty. Russia's quite high up and they still have the death penalty.

The USA has the highest murder rate of any developed country, yet they have the death penalty.

The figures show that capital punishment is not a deterrant to murder. This is because everybody thinks they won't get caught. The deterrant is getting caught.

[thered]

personally i think we should bring back capital punishment, proven murderers, rapists, kiddie fiddlers etc should all get executed, why should we pay millions to keep the likes of ian huntley, baby p's killers alive?? they took a live so why should they keep theres?? execute the tw@ts!!!!

cant be bothered getting too in depth on the subject i dont have time but i enjoyed the show regarding the execution of gary glitter and found it to be a pretty good show and well thought out in regard to my own opinions on the matters i agree completely with you krazy on this

i think there is only one party in favour of the death penalty and thats the bnp