After advice from metal kettle regarding the discs i was using i changed to dvd-r ,evrything seems ok now ,any way i know some folk like to use Verbs well in Asda their brand dvd-r where 3 quid for 10 ,but hey had an offer on while stocks last verb dvd-r 25 for 5 quid..verbs cheaper than asdas own,dunno if its any use to anyone just passing it on .