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[Jonny182]

Hi from Northwest UK,

I'm new to the forum, but i'm having a few problems with my clio 182.
Basically, when I turn the key to ignition, I get a solid immobiliser light. When I turn the key to ignition, let it do it's checks, then turn it, I get no crank, and the occassional relay clicking. If I turn the key straight through from position 1 - 3 it tries to crank then stops on its own. (vid attached)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV1LCppWubE]YouTube - Clio 182 Engine Fault[/ame]

Not i've just recently purchase an official clip v86 and it's showing a network issue.





I done a general fault check on all the system and immobiliser and connection unit (which I assume is UCH), are both showing no faults. The ECU had stored faults on it, but it wouldn't let me erase them. The faults were definately not relivant.
So after puzzling over it myself, I got an auto electrician round. He had a look at the loom, and UCH, but couldn't find anything. After he had finished doing stuff, he put the car on clip again, and the ECU was no longer recognised, and the image on the above pictures changed box 120 to red as you would expect.
I had the ECU sent away as this we what he suggested, and the company said that it works fine up to the point the immobiliser kicks in, so in there eyes there is nothing wrong with it.

Has anyone ever seen anything like this? Any suggestions? I've tried bump/jump starting it, but nothing. It came on all of a sudden one day, but was intermitent. Then the following day, it wouldn't turn over at all. I've changed the ignition relays to see if that could be the issue, but no luck. Fuel pump is priming as should, but i'm assuming it could be cable related? Even when you earth the ECU it still doesn't want to find it. It's starting to depress me a bit now as it's been off the road for 2 months.

Hope that all makes sense

[pasonjayne]

Try these guys for some advice:

Immobiliser repair, immobiliser bypass & key coding supplied by Automotive Electronics

[Meat-Head]

1) Welcome to DK the worlds BEST WEBSITE
2) Flat battery
3) ~~~~ed starter
4) None of above - except no 1
5) Sorry i'm still deaf from the rave the other night, so can't hear your video
is there any clicking or clunking noises?

[Ashraf6119]

Hi

Have you checked the fuse box properly in Engine Bay for poor or, dirty connection?

Also do you have other key to try it could be the key you are using its fault as its a common fault on Clio's.

Hope this helps.

Ash

[Jonny182]

Thanks for the replies guys

Try these guys for some advice:

Immobiliser repair, immobiliser bypass & key coding supplied by Automotive Electronics

Could it be an immobiliser issue if CLIP is showing nothing? Also, shouldn't it still crank even if the immobiliser was kicking in?

1) Welcome to DK the worlds BEST WEBSITE
2) Flat battery
3) ~~~~ed starter
4) None of above - except no 1
5) Sorry i'm still deaf from the rave the other night, so can't hear your video
is there any clicking or clunking noises?

Battery wise i've tried two, plus I've also tried it with a booster pack on and still nothing. Starter seems to be ok, as said if I turn the key through fully you hear it try to crank. Plus would a knackered starter have the effect on the immobiliser light? When I turn the key to ignition in the video, it does it's usual check like TB, fuel pump, abs, and then when you turn it, you can occassionally hear relay clicking.

Hi

Have you checked the fuse box properly in Engine Bay for poor or, dirty connection?

Also do you have other key to try it could be the key you are using its fault as its a common fault on Clio's.

Hope this helps.

Ash

I've had all the fuse checked with a tester while in situ. Would that not be a sufficient enough check? would you suggest removing them also?
I've got two keys, and tried them both. Nothing what so ever.
I believe crank sensor is a common one, but wouldn't a fault like that show on CLIP also?

[racin-snake]

did you check the relays in the location ash pointed out ?

[Meat-Head]

*lost intreast* - sorry

Does the indicators and wipers/ windows work?

Just won't start?

Check for compression if turns over - feauture cam-belts snap

Was you driving and it stopped, or refused to start?

[Jonny182]

did you check the relays in the location ash pointed out ?

I've changed 3 relays (large yellow 40amp ones), but nothing changed there. I'll have a look at the three smaller ones later. I'm pretty sure the auto eleccy checked all the relays though :S

*lost intreast* - sorry

Does the indicators and wipers/ windows work?

Just won't start?

Check for compression if turns over - feauture cam-belts snap

Was you driving and it stopped, or refused to start?

Indicator and wipers work as do the lights. You thinking UCH?
It's definately not the cambelt, albeit due for a change, but the car was running fine. I came to it the day after is started playing up and it just wouldn't start. If it helps, the day it was playing up, I was at Oulton Park, so maybe heat is a factor?

[Meat-Head]

Still deaf, so cant' view your youtube video yet.

A cranck sensor from GSP -gERMAN, sWEDISH & pOLISH IS very cheap, stick one
one, it's going to need one soon anyway.

Has anybody suggested you PUSH OFF Just incase it's low voltage any where

[PierreTheron]

Hi
Must check wiring between ecu and fusebox.
Found supply on these to be corroded off inside wire.
Dont be afraid.
Take stanley knife and cut open that ecu harness going to fuse box in engine bay.
Pull hard on each wire to check if it is not corroded off.

Clip must see ecu or otherwise it would not start

Regards

[Jonny182]

Still deaf, so cant' view your youtube video yet.

A cranck sensor from GSP -gERMAN, sWEDISH & pOLISH IS very cheap, stick one
one, it's going to need one soon anyway.

Has anybody suggested you PUSH OFF Just incase it's low voltage any where

Christ, that must have been some rave.. I've had a mess with the Crank Sensor, but i'm pretty sure that's not the issue yet (CLIP would show this if it was faulty i'm sure). The lack of communication is the problem from what I can tell. I've tried bump starting it yeah, and nothing

Hi
Must check wiring between ecu and fusebox.
Found supply on these to be corroded off inside wire.
Dont be afraid.
Take stanley knife and cut open that ecu harness going to fuse box in engine bay.
Pull hard on each wire to check if it is not corroded off.

Clip must see ecu or otherwise it would not start

Regards

That's what i'm thinking. If CLIP isn't reading it, then the immobiliser computer wont either. No communication, no code comparison etc. So you think either wiring, or maybe a bad earth? Could it be a data cable issue rather than a power cable issue? I've checked voltages at the fuses/relays, and checked all the pins in the ECU against a wiring diagram on what current should be there etc. There were a few that were slightly wrong, but the wiring diagram wasn't current. Problem is i'm not great with wiring and not sure what looks suspect or not (unless the wire has split ).

Anyone know where I could get a wiring diagram from for a clio 182?

[Ashraf6119]

Still deaf, so cant' view your youtube video yet.

A cranck sensor from GSP -gERMAN, sWEDISH & pOLISH IS very cheap, stick one
one, it's going to need one soon anyway.

Has anybody suggested you PUSH OFF Just incase it's low voltage any where

MH,

GSF Stands for German, Swedish, French.

NOT POLISH mate.

Ash

[Ashraf6119]

Hi

Its worth removing the crank sensor and cleaning with carb cleaner and trying it again.

While cranking can you see you RPM meter moving or in live data RPM readings.

Ash

[Jonny182]

MH,

GSF Stands for German, Swedish, French.

NOT POLISH mate.

Ash

I thought that was what he was getting at

Hi

Its worth removing the crank sensor and cleaning with carb cleaner and trying it again.

While cranking can you see you RPM meter moving or in live data RPM readings.

Ash

I've removed it yeah, but didnt' look dirty and there isn't much to clean on them really. Just a magnet I believe. :S

Anyone who has access to renault.net able to see if a similar problem has happened in the past?

[Meat-Head]

MH,

GSF Stands for German, Swedish, French.

NOT POLISH mate.

Ash

DOES ROUND HERE, MATE THERE IS A STREET THAT WAS CALLED 'PERCIVILLE STREET' NOW CALLED 'POLAND STREET'

THE PLACE IS FULL OF 'EM

Christ, that must have been some rave..

Sorry, turns out it's a now also a software fault - sound card driver gone down.


1) on top of the ignition coil is a capacitor, jamb a bit of wire on ut
and other end battery pos, see what damage it causes

2) do what 'Lise Meitner' would do, but with with a stanley knife and yank like ~~~~