Programmer, Hot air station and eeproms

[lee_hdi]

Hi,
I'm starting to get more into automotive electronics and things like IMMO removal, so I've bought a few engine ecu's and airbag ecu's that have problems...eg locked out, seed key error, crash data. For me to practice eeprom removal and programming on.

I've done a few searches on here and spent hours looking at recommendations and things, and I'm looking at buying these.

Hot air station - Aoyue 968 PCB Work Station

Programmers - eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace
eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace

Do you think they would be sufficient for a novice/beginner to learn with? And would the programmers cover enough of the common eeproms?

Also is there any data sheets/software which has a list of what are the main editing eeproms in the ECUs? Like the which is the immo, dpf, crash data, mileage, etc?

I mainly do french cars and vauxhall/opel atm

Thanks,
Lee

[Meat-Head]

cool, this has been covered millions of times.

got my CSI825++ from circuitspecalists.eu

now it's identical to the ayouge brand. do a search first.

now my 'mistake' was getting one with built in vac pump - it takes the air away from the solder gun, buy one without, doenload a 15w antex from maplin ?20 ish (or ebay).

no idea your circumstanses, but at M-H-M we are limited to space, we have, boxing ring, swimming pool, various motor bikes, stolen cars that need hiding etc, so have to put hot air on shelf out the way, that thing (unless you nail to plywood) will be a pain to lift.

download spare heating element at same time.

if you can download user instructions first - some you must NOT go above heatxx and below air xx

not killed mine yet, had it on full heat 480 and min air 6

do a search for the words finger paint crisp (or crisps) think it was member the_riddler did a cool thread about it.

Oh, if your going to use it to thaw out frozen water pipes, forget it.

go to a local carboot sale, auction, ot computer fair, and see if you can get a job lot of something, then go play with yourself.

do a challenge.

e.g. dvd player ?2 no remote, check it plays ANYTHING, wwhip chip off board, refit, check it works again

Meat

[martij976]

Hi,
I'm starting to get more into automotive electronics and things like IMMO removal, so I've bought a few engine ecu's and airbag ecu's that have problems...eg locked out, seed key error, crash data. For me to practice eeprom removal and programming on.

I've done a few searches on here and spent hours looking at recommendations and things, and I'm looking at buying these.

Hot air station - Aoyue 968 PCB Work Station

Programmers - eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace
eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace

Do you think they would be sufficient for a novice/beginner to learn with? And would the programmers cover enough of the common eeproms?

Also is there any data sheets/software which has a list of what are the main editing eeproms in the ECUs? Like the which is the immo, dpf, crash data, mileage, etc?

I mainly do french cars and vauxhall/opel atm

Thanks,
Lee

If you are really looking for a troubles, go ahead and buy that china CRAP!

[Meat-Head]

If you are really looking for a troubles, go ahead and buy that china CRAP!

Mine is finest quality made in china - unless that was just the box.

I have even put on more than one occasion to put on a customers invoice.

Ref 406 non start, remove ecu out of car, remove 95P08 eeprom
using finest quality china made hot air station, edit dump using china clone of usb-upa, reinstall eerpom with siad china hotair station
take you car and ~~~~ off

Oh can't see it being a problem, as i was removing a chip off a circuit board of a french car, chip said taiwan on the bottom, refitted it - stopped working, but nevr mind.

[martij976]

Mine is finest quality made in china - unless that was just the box.

Well, than You must be one of the few lucky ones in this industry. Mine china tool-it's just dust keepers... Maybe hot station can be fine. But i'll better won't try

[Meat-Head]

Well, than You must be one of the few lucky ones in this industry. Mine china tool-it's just dust keepers... Maybe hot station can be fine. But i'll better won't try

Unless it's because you are in Emerica 110 Volts or what ever shit system you use.

Can you list what you have, and what don't work?

Only problem had this SFC (shit from china)

1) Zedbull gave wrong pincode - found out i used wrong dump
2) USB-UPA no do NEC chip - read that it might no - void result
3) Crash eraser - somekind of software bug on computer
unit pulsed out - was not 100% sure of correct connections.
4) Do a search by member Doctor Pepper - peter whatever
he had a problem with a car using his new ?127583659 worth of genuine tool. He got out of a toybox quality china tool, and used that!

[ph0en1x]

If you are really looking for a troubles, go ahead and buy that china CRAP!

I have pile tools from china and half of that I need to fix when comes to me, another half I need to fix after some time.

But if I put on paper original or clone again I go to China site, because is better to use some time and some money to have something or spend lot of money to have few items.
If I live in different country who knows,maybe paper is on different side too.

Cheers

[olegario]

Reference table of temp and air flow for hot air soldering station (Pace)

[lee_hdi]

I'm not trying to make a living out of it, as I'm just learning, that's why I'm looking at buying china clones.

I can't justify buying genuine tools when they will be hardly used, as it's more of a hobby than a profession

Thanks for all the info so far

[mladen76]

I am also learnin a bit.
I have bought this one-http://www.ebay.com/itm/120761981981?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p398 4.m1439.l2649
I have heard that these soldering station are good(Hakko brand),you have here some soldering turtorial,I am not an expert but there is a loot of these things on youtube.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Sb21qbpEQ"]EEVblog #180 - Soldering Tutorial Part 1 - Tools - YouTube[/ame]

[martij976]

Unless it's because you are in Emerica 110 Volts or what ever shit system you use.

Can you list what you have, and what don't work?

There's no problem with emerican 120V.. It's always end up to be 12V DC ...

My drama with SFC:
Bought FLY 100 (from bototech?..) First come, not working... Pay for sending back, wait two months, another unit come bad again.. pay again for shipment, another few months, third unit come, working on newer cars so so, but can't connect into older obd2 cars... i gived it up... It took literally 8 months.
In the mean time, i purchased an TachoPro.. First unit was working couple of days, than died. After sending it back (pay) another one come and seems to be working, cause display lit up. But i refuse use it after it burned an altima mcu. So for almost grand, i have box full of sh*t (Those cables and IF are useless) Another bad unit was SRS TMS ressetter for honda. Never worked... Just trashed ti.. Another upa which can only read
So i rather using orig UPA, carprog, enigma etc...

[martij976]

I'm not trying to make a living out of it, as I'm just learning, that's why I'm looking at buying china clones.

I can't justify buying genuine tools when they will be hardly used, as it's more of a hobby than a profession

Thanks for all the info so far

Totally agree! But at least buy orig UPA! There is no much difference in the price, and You have updates without struggle!

[lee_hdi]

Was expecting them to be a lot more than what they cost.

This one then? - ELRASOFT Products

Is x-prog also a good recommendation? Or should I not bother, if I have the other two?

[rideon]

Nice topic you got here!!
So, I'll go off a little,
I don't really see the problem with the finest "china" clones, tools or equipment ,just a though ,do you ,by any chance think that the BCM,ECM,,or whatever electronics in the car that you are working on are made in......UK...germany or.....
So it just seems right to me fixing chineese products with chineese equipment

[Meat-Head]

So it just seems right to me fixing chineese products with chineese equipment

If you look at new mercedes vans/cars, you see all the relays say clear as day

"Hella Made In China" - was down at fastfood shop guy in front had a GENUINE Autocom lead MADE IN CHINA.

Rover radio arieals - MADE IN CHINA.

If you can't beat them - join them.