vm nag3 move

[stuball]

hi guys anyone got any thoughts on this? Bad news?


I have just read this on another site,how true it is,your guess is as good as mine,but here goes

The information in this message is not hearsay, speculation, or rumour, but comes direct from the heart of Virgin Media technical operations at Hook, passed on by a contact who is informed, reliable and will remain strictly confidential (his/her job depends on it)

This week we have all experienced a sudden change in the way Virgin encrypts its premium channels. This post explains some facts and what's to come very very soon. It probably won't cheer you up. Sorry :-(

Remember when Virgin pulled Sky channels off their feed? That was a tough choice for Virgin. It hurt Virgin and it hurt Sky. The reduced ability to convert Sky customers over to Virgin and loss of advertising audience meant that both companies wanted to renegotiate terms. Ulimately Virgin wanted to get Sky channels back for the Christmas period but this was not straight forward because Sky was concerned about the high number of non-paying customers able to view Sky channels via the Virgin network. To be fair Virgin have also been concerned, but Sky forced them via the Terms and Conditions of supply to implement a comprehensive encryption system to lock out all non-paying customers before Christmas.

Hence many months ago was born 'Project Santa'!! An internal Virgin project to provide to its customers Sky channels with enhanced encryption before Christmas. The project has several important phases. Firstly there is new advertising, which you may have seen, warning customers about the illegality of certain pieces of equipment. Then there is direct mail warning some customers directly to disconnect equipment and coupled with telephone hotline to report offenders.

The next phase was to get Sky back on the feed. This was turned on in November successfully and has put Virgin in a much better position to recruit new customers in readiness for their Christmas programming. The final phase is to address encryption and security. This is more complicated because they want to secure the network but with little or no impact on paying customers. What you have all witnessed in the last week is the first step of the program with an interim Nagravision software upgrade which will soon move the whole Virgin tv network over to Nagravision version 3. Enabling rolling daily code changes is merely an early side effect of this implementation. Virgin knew that it would be circumvented quickly, but it was designed to de-stabalise the illicit set-top-box market before Christmas and wipe out a proportion of the existing usage for non-paying customers who do not have the expertise to remedy.

What you have not seen yet is the final step and cutover to full Nagravision V3 encoding. This requires all paying customers to be issued with a new card for their set-top-box and in some cases a firmware upgrade. This is no small operation. New cards are already in manufacture and a special Royal Mail contract for guaranteed delivery before Christmas has been signed. The recent software change has enabled very limited testing of N3 to be started in about 1000 individually selected customer endpoints. So an exact date for cutover is not decided as yet and will be determined by the recarding and testing work in progress. The deadline should be before Christmas. Although contingency is in place in the event of unforseen problems.

The bottom line is that N3 will go onto the Virgin TV network very soon and this will render all non-paying cutomers set-top-boxes useless for probably quite a long while. N3 is currently in use in several european tv networks and has not been circumvented to date. Whilst nothing is unbreakable, it will be measured in months rather than weeks and may require bespoke hardware rather than just a software fix.

I have every expectation that this post will be heavily flamed and rubbished. But have in mind, many of the readers / posters here make a living from selling set-top-boxes and they are hoping for a busy December as people ready themselves for a rich Christmas programming selection on cable tv. The last thing they want is for potential customers to hear what Virgin have planned for what will become a very expensive freeview box. Utimately time will tell.


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Last edited how true is this

[gohoney]

took me 10mins to read all above ...wonder how long it took to write

[cantona7]

what will be will be

only time will tell

personally i've had a good run and when it ends it ends

ps heard this type of thing to many times to worry

[stuball]

im a sv user but have lined up another box just in case
for the switch over if it happends but hay got 1 for the bed room

[666lucifer666]

Been reading a lot about nagravision 3 and i read that it had allready been cracked in Europe where it is has been getting tested.I dont think VM will put so much money into the encryption if it has allready been cracked.Lets wait and see.666

[stuball]

im just wanting to know other ppls views on this


only a fool pays for sky

[cantona7]

my opinion stuball m8
is it aint worth worrying about something you cannot control or stop
what will be "will" be
if and when it ever happens some clever git will find a way around it and if they dont hey ho wtf can we do about it!!!

[stuball]

i know cantona love the pun m8 but like i said only a fool pays for sky

[steo46]

These rumours have been circulating for a long time now. Will believe when I see it, Or maybe don't see it.

[david alton]

project "santa"
contract signed with royal mail for new cards to be delivered by xmas

Must be for next year then.......phew!!!

[red devil]

Been reading a lot about nagravision 3 and i read that it had allready been cracked in Europe where it is has been getting tested.I dont think VM will put so much money into the encryption if it has allready been cracked.Lets wait and see.666

its hacked on sat, and nag3 is being used on cable in countries like portugal and is not hacked there but..... if u force a dog into a corner he will prob bite u on the way out !!!

[david alton]

Lot of money involved. Devilishly fiendish these chinese. When they have to imagine thousands of chinese hackers working on it.....how long would you give it?

[tinman]

In canada our provider has already switched to nag 3 but apparently they will not try to break it until south of the border converts to the same later this year but the moderators seem to be confident they can break it with time. Over here with certain units connected to the internet people are getting all nag 3 programming.

[loncell]

Lot of money involved. Devilishly fiendish these chinese. When they have to imagine thousands of chinese hackers working on it.....how long would you give it?

i know a few chinese personally one in particular who is well up on all the dm scene.they basically dont give a flying f about N3 as it doesnt affect them.until it stops them totally they wont be arsed as 80% of boxes are sold to the arab countries.

i do know they use one guy , a korean chappie as their main cracker for all this and he is flown in on a regular basis to do his dirty deed.

last time for the dm800 he was paid a small fortune $250,000 im lead to believe.
bullshit ?? it isnt.

[bugaloo41]

This was posted in December after the last big hit in November it is not new. The operation santa or ability of vm at that time to have n3 in place for December 2008, which was only a few weeks, was an absolute pile of drivel. It struck me as nothing more than scaremongering.

N3 is certainly a possibility no one really knows if and when this will be rolled out in the UK. The last sentence strikes me as being the most accurate in that post as "time will tell". I will tell you this it aint going to happen overnight though. Could be santa 2009 if that is the case then so be it. Enjoy it while it lasts nothing lasts forever.