some interestring nag3 info

[red devil]

Re: Nagra 3 answers.

here is some info obtained from another site. Its NOT my work Its a copy and paste from other
site.It is not posted to start any rumors and or speculation!!!! Just posting information for
others to be informed.

It does seem to indicate that there is some fwd progress

first post:

The Full MAP EMU is in place but it doesn't mean zero down times. This is a New Timer added to
MAP 3C which is causing brief freezing.
The solution for the New Timer is found and files are being worked on. They will be released
upon completion. Timer values for Mapcall(s) can still be changed or modified by the provider.
The Full MAP EMU includes all known Mapcalls, at which it is now that all Mapcalls are all known.
The known Timers for Maps are also all included. New Timer values will keep getting added to the
Full MAP EMU as new Timers become used like in today?s ECM.

A New timer on Map3c is the cause and solution is found just awaiting for files to be prepared.
VS files to be released soon!!!

Second Post:
Nagra 3 cards hacked confirmed
TV Cabo Nagravision = 3 = Rom140
D = Rom 180

TV Cabo Dreambox Nagravision 3:
Prov ID: 005644
Prov Key: 00
HEX Index Keys: 978496B1C753425C5A45B04F1 F549407

The Spanish ROM is something better protected the Portuguese. At least 142 had some reference to
ST Microelectronics, and therefore could know the manufacturer. In the 180 Spanish do not have this
track. Even so, the researcher thinks Luso (for the design of the contacts of the card, according
to him identical to those of old known as Funcard, Titanium, etc.). This is a model of Atmel

It has already been read in various forums, and according to reports from research groups Portuguese
TV has been hacked out for DreamBox

and already there for that bin deco in europe! ... at last!

and in the last firm to the Devil pcmcia cam put that in the short diabloteam pulled solutions for
new rom NAGRA3 of Nagravision

Quote:
************************************************** ***************
** DiabloCam - Stealth 2.22 - for Wireless DiabloCam and Light **
** By Stealth Team - Independent Development Team **
** Polska Nizalezna rump Deweloperska **
************************************************** ***************

****** What's New? *****

* AU
DigiTV AU
Polsat AU

Minor important bug fixed

>> BIG BOMB COMING, stay tuned <<

N3 - coming soon hacked - Stealth is the Best

-------------------------------------------------

Unlike atr the black to white card


Opening of COM1 was successful
ATR String: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FE 47 00 44 4E 41 53 50
31 34 32 20 52 65 76 47 30 31 15
ROM Revision: 142
EEPROM Revision: RevG01
Closing of COM1 was successful

com diferenci? to 110

Rom110
ATR: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FE 47 00 44 4E 41 53 50 31 31 30 20 52 65 76 41 30 31 14

Rom142
ATR: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 FE 47 00 44 4E 41 53 50 31 34 32 20 52 65 76 47 30 31 15
Not if or when fizerem firm j? b *** moved to a 00 or 01 (est?o to move one time per week),
coloquem com os 50 algarismos 888

Or Deco Farid AU is presented as novas keys

Disfrutem do Jardim

Estou to study for a solution to ***

At? Brief

CAID 1802

Provider F410

*** 00
52 85 24 54 61 7C 2D A9 AE FE EF 02 0E CC 61 57 FF 29 F1 67 B1 55 98 20 6D

*** 01
79 FF 49 4E D2 1F 17 BA 4C B4 2C 30 DC EA 9D 4E FC 38 F8 E1 BC 16 EC E1 2B

*** 02
FB 9A D8 AC C1 6D 00 5A 6E 76 81 BC AD F3 E7 4B DA 7C 2F 81 F8 AB AC BA 1E

*** 03
4E F4 2A 06 25 25 D2 9D 53 95 D8 E7 7E 42 A5 7E 8B D6 1C 25 46 4E 69 61 D6


meaning they are very close to give the final blow to trabuco nagra3

although this does not mean that when implemented for these sides, are going to break once
and quit, that this entails a good time to study and work, but let us see that the software
is somewhat vulnerable.

if setting in which this Posti said that the Spanish rom this something that the Portuguese
better protected, which means that although we are Nagra three, the software codes have security,
and some others algorritmos different components, and also we confirms that nobody can be testi
the Nagra three in any receiver until this is not implemented
inform this so that users will not stop cojer Bob with some news from other sides who say a lot
of nonsense

Code:

Good news, Nagra3 is already partly open Quote: A big Thank you to all equipment NanoXX The key
update of K50 Spain is already partly open. Only this open. 1 st Channel 11038V 2 nd Channel 2
11038V 3 rd Channel 30 10876V Sports Channel 4 seventh 10876V 5 th Channel comedy 10788V -> 10818
or 11318? (No. 10788V Channel) 6 th Channel action 10788V -> 10818 or 11318? (No. 10788V Channel)
7 th events 11097V Channel 8 Channel 10876V Soccer Channel 9 DCine 11318V 10th Scifi 10818V 11st Fox
10818V 13rd Cartoon Network 10788V 14th BBC1 10818V 15th Nat. Geographic 10876V 16th Golf 10876V
17th Discovery 11038V 18th **** Madrid TV 11156V 19 Disney Channel 1 11318V






Ok, Since we all know N3 is coming and people will be asking the same questions over and over
without reading older threads with the same title, I will answer a few of your "yet to be asked"
questions here:


Q- Will my current FTA receiver be able to handle it?
A- If N3 is hacked successfully, your FTA receiver will be able to handle it. It was said back in
the N1-N2 days that the Pansat 2500 wouldn't be able to handle N2 but we all know that now to not
be the case at all.

Q- Is N3 hacked and will they be able to hack it?
A- At this time we don't know for sure but strangely enough, the coders don't seem to be worried
about it at all so that should tell you something. Anything is hackable, remember money can make
anything happen! The hardest part will be glitching into the new cards.

Q- I see alot of channels moving to Mpeg4 and the providers plan to move everything to Mpeg4 soon,
will I need an HD receiver to view the channels?
A- NO, Mpeg4 is just a compression method, it does not mean it is HD. While HD programming is mostly
Mpeg4 at the moment, that does not mean it has to be, in fact they also broadcast HD in Mpeg2.

Q- Will I need a new receiver when Mpeg4 is the main stream?
A- Yes, unless you have a HD FTA receiver, those already receive Mpeg4.

Q- How soon will everything turn Mpeg4?
A- Not for quite awhile, as it would require the providers to swap out a great majority of their sub
receivers first that are only Mpeg2 capable.


Q- Will we be down for awhile once N3 hits?
A- Possibly Yes, the coders likely will not release any fix until the providers have completely switched
over so get a backup ready whether it be recorded movies or a minimum subscription. Only time will tell.

Q- How will we know when N3 is upon us?
A- You will know when some of your premium channels start dropping off and a rescan will not bring them
back for viewing. Usually the providers start with International and ~~~~ as those have the least subscribers
incase anything goes wrong.

Q- Is Dave hacked?
A- Many trusted and extremely credible sources say that Dave is hacked, but due to the wrath of Dave and the
consequences of messing with his patented signal, it is underground and the smart ones who are staying quiet
are enjoying Dave. Not very many though. That is why Dave releases new cards, not because he wants to change
the logo, but because there is a weakness. Remember, changing cards costs money!


Q- I was thinking about upgrading my receiver but now I'm not so sure with N3 right around the corner, what
should I do?
A- We always recommend an upgrade whenever possible however, make sure you upgrade with a brand that is reliable
in their support, that will ensure that once N3 is hacked, you will be one of the first on your block to have
TV again! There will indeed be price gouging on FTA receivers for the first ones to come out with the N3 fix.
You can bet on that! Stay ahead of the game people.

[Manic01]

Trying to answering the N3 question.

I will try and answer this question so many of you want to know, and do this as intelligently and in layman’s terms the best possible way I can so many of our members can understand it. Now I will only uses a few abbreviations in this post so that many of our newbie's can understand what I mean, I will uses this many times (N/A) meaning; North American Market.

Now to start with alot of rumors of coders waiting n3 is fully activated into the stream from each uplink transmission center owned by echo star Inc. I and many others’s underground believe this is false. The only reason all coders working in the FTA industry now have not introduced new codes for any FTA unit now is because they have nothing to work with. None of the n3 encryption information they need have been given to them as of yet. Why?

Well because until a (hacker) or a (group) of hacker's crack's the (G3) card used here in N/A the coders will not even be able to start to write any codes.

Question; so how long will it take?
I wonder; well the question really is will the information be leaked as it was before? Good question and I guess that might depend on how much money one or more companies are willing to pay. Or if the info could or will be leaked out again, and if! And I say this is every unlikely as the (SI) department is watching and guarding this info with their lives.

And might even kill to keep it!
It possible it will never be leaked out, or cracked in the next two years. Why so hard? n1 and n2 were hacked? Why not n3?

Now the best answer to that is because of past (hackers) themselves, the number #1 in Europe has been hired by the company that owns the makers of nagra3 encryption system.

Who is that you ask? Well let’s uses alittle history to answer these questions.

He is Chris Tarnovsky the founding member of the (Black Hat's) a German hacker group that showed many of the worlds hackers just how to break into the security systems of the cards themselves. And now he has been hired by the same company he hacked before, and you know the first thing they wanted to know is (How he hacked their cards).
And what could be gone to (stop hackers) in the future, this is one every good reason hackers in Spain/England and the Eastern Block's have not been able to break into the new Video Guard/Europe codes for the last two years now.

Now then video guards codes used in Europe are different than the codes used here in the states with ***/dn, but the info needed still remains the same. NDS took 6 months (trying) to break into the n2 cards themselves it was until tarnovsky was paid 6 figures that he broke the cards down in less than a week, which blew away NDS big-time. After that all the info needed was gotten from the cards used in a month and coders then used the MAPCALL codes to write the bin files needed. This took about 5 to 6 months to complete. Now coders have several more tools to use in writing codes, this makes it alot faster and easier to write codes now, this is why we have new bin files released in matter of hours not month's or week's nor even days. Most files today are wrote on a complier within minutes and released to the general internet of (broadcaster) within 2 to 4 hours.


Now let me give you alittle history lesson "Rupert Murdoch" owns dtv and (NDS) a subsidiary of the media group news corp. a company setup for the purpose of hacking dn n2 cards, setup in 1999 this in Israeli for the purpose of hacking and releasing the codes over the internet. Why?

Well because he and "Charlie Ergen" the owner of DN tried to merge both their companies twice once in 1997, and again in 2000 and the FCC forced them to stay apart. Why? Because of what many call "Capitalism” or we might call "free market". Guess the government was afraid they would have something called a "MONOPLY" yelpers just like the game, where one company rules the whole industry all over the N/A market. Like the steel industries where in the 1880 here in the US before the feds hacked them apart into alot of little company’s so they could not control the whole north American market and set prices to whatever they wish.

Now since dtv and dn have been in a lawsuit since 2002, which is just now in a federal court in California last month over this very subject. Dtv and dn have been fighting between there selves. This is back to the reason Dtv hacked and released the n2 codes to stab dn right in the back. Why? Well because Rupert Murdoch does not want DN to have a greater market share of satellite tv industry in the US and that pretty much says it all.

Now back to who writes Nagra codes? A company called Kudelski Group owns *********** they are the producers of the Nagra 3 codes, and have invented all 3 of the Nagra codes used in the N/A market since dn/echo star started in the US.

Now what’s been going on in the past week?
Well since Christmas week (all) DTH Satellite uplink centers have been broadcasting both codes at the same time, yes n2/n3 codes. This has some good points to it, meaning that each new (G3) card has both accesses (CW) both (public) and (private) codes for both sets of encrypting the EMMs and CAMs. Coders can use this very small amount of known information to help start a solution on coding eliminators or better known as (FTA) Receivers.

Although I'm absolutely positive that until the private (CW) codes are known the coders are not going to be able to current vent the security encryption of Nagra 3 unless the hackers are successful in peeling away the 3 extra layers of silicone security chips using a powerful electron microscope and several different acids and lasers first until they get to the final precious bottom 3 layers of the Kudelski chip where all the precious codes are hidden. This is the part where only the best hackers (engineers) have the ability to do this type of work.
So please members do not think for one minute that any “back yard” computer “guru” hacker can break this type of security system, I’m sorry it just ain’t going to happen. EVER
So what some of us do know is that without Chris Tarnovsky techniques that allow him to break open chip cards that block access to pay TV chains the whole world would still be without paid satellite tv. Is there hope for us yes! ofcourse it is always possible out of the hundreds of labs setup in different countries hackers are working on this problem now.
But remember they have to have several things, first access to (G3) cards, unissued cards open and clean meaning; cards that have not been imbedded with maintenance access codes, and user access codes used to track the customer uses of this system, PPV Events, PPV Movies, ~~~~ and so on. This is very important and requires someone from the inside of the manufacturing department, of the (SI) department itself. But this is not likely to happen with that amount of screening done by the company’s for their personal. And that each person has to allow the company into their lives, banking records, and life styles.

So how long will it take before any group of coders have a fix for n3, well depending on the amount of info on the new (G3) cards they might have to run on a complier for several days, or using (banks of compliers) for several weeks. It’s still unknown the amount of new process in the map codes used on these new chips. Estimate run all over the place so nobody actually knows for sure, best guess is 6 months to a year before the info needed becomes a new file for release.

So what is the FTA manufacturing doing about this?
Some are still under lawsuits now brought by echo star and dn and may not be doing anything at all, but again it is possible some have already hired hackers or paid hackers to break into the G3 encryption systems and this is where we are now. And I would bet you a hundred to a dime that’s a 1000+1 odds that “if and when these codes” are broken and released on the internet we all will know it the same day. And on that day I bet the coders will start working on the solutions to n3 problem A.S.A.P

So until the whole of the internet is busting out with this info "HACK" we will be in the dark. That’s just a fact of life.
Whether this is good news or bad doesn’t matter to me, it’s just the truth about where we stand right now.

I hope this has atleast help explain things alittle more "this is not a rumor" nor perdition of any kind just facts you all need to know. And the last information I can post this week. As I will be in the hospital in on friday for some tests.
Written by: 0dd Thomas

[gmb45]

Trying to answering the N3 question.

I will try and answer this question so many of you want to know, and do this as intelligently and in layman?s terms the best possible way I can so many of our members can understand it. Now I will only uses a few abbreviations in this post so that many of our newbie's can understand what I mean, I will uses this many times (N/A) meaning; North American Market.

Now to start with alot of rumors of coders waiting n3 is fully activated into the stream from each uplink transmission center owned by echo star Inc. I and many others?s underground believe this is false. The only reason all coders working in the FTA industry now have not introduced new codes for any FTA unit now is because they have nothing to work with. None of the n3 encryption information they need have been given to them as of yet. Why?

Well because until a (hacker) or a (group) of hacker's crack's the (G3) card used here in N/A the coders will not even be able to start to write any codes.

Question; so how long will it take?
I wonder; well the question really is will the information be leaked as it was before? Good question and I guess that might depend on how much money one or more companies are willing to pay. Or if the info could or will be leaked out again, and if! And I say this is every unlikely as the (SI) department is watching and guarding this info with their lives.

And might even kill to keep it!
It possible it will never be leaked out, or cracked in the next two years. Why so hard? n1 and n2 were hacked? Why not n3?

Now the best answer to that is because of past (hackers) themselves, the number #1 in Europe has been hired by the company that owns the makers of nagra3 encryption system.

Who is that you ask? Well let?s uses alittle history to answer these questions.

He is Chris Tarnovsky the founding member of the (Black Hat's) a German hacker group that showed many of the worlds hackers just how to break into the security systems of the cards themselves. And now he has been hired by the same company he hacked before, and you know the first thing they wanted to know is (How he hacked their cards).
And what could be gone to (stop hackers) in the future, this is one every good reason hackers in Spain/England and the Eastern Block's have not been able to break into the new Video Guard/Europe codes for the last two years now.

Now then video guards codes used in Europe are different than the codes used here in the states with ***/dn, but the info needed still remains the same. NDS took 6 months (trying) to break into the n2 cards themselves it was until tarnovsky was paid 6 figures that he broke the cards down in less than a week, which blew away NDS big-time. After that all the info needed was gotten from the cards used in a month and coders then used the MAPCALL codes to write the bin files needed. This took about 5 to 6 months to complete. Now coders have several more tools to use in writing codes, this makes it alot faster and easier to write codes now, this is why we have new bin files released in matter of hours not month's or week's nor even days. Most files today are wrote on a complier within minutes and released to the general internet of (broadcaster) within 2 to 4 hours.


Now let me give you alittle history lesson "Rupert Murdoch" owns dtv and (NDS) a subsidiary of the media group news corp. a company setup for the purpose of hacking dn n2 cards, setup in 1999 this in Israeli for the purpose of hacking and releasing the codes over the internet. Why?

Well because he and "Charlie Ergen" the owner of DN tried to merge both their companies twice once in 1997, and again in 2000 and the FCC forced them to stay apart. Why? Because of what many call "Capitalism? or we might call "free market". Guess the government was afraid they would have something called a "MONOPLY" yelpers just like the game, where one company rules the whole industry all over the N/A market. Like the steel industries where in the 1880 here in the US before the feds hacked them apart into alot of little company?s so they could not control the whole north American market and set prices to whatever they wish.

Now since dtv and dn have been in a lawsuit since 2002, which is just now in a federal court in California last month over this very subject. Dtv and dn have been fighting between there selves. This is back to the reason Dtv hacked and released the n2 codes to stab dn right in the back. Why? Well because Rupert Murdoch does not want DN to have a greater market share of satellite tv industry in the US and that pretty much says it all.

Now back to who writes Nagra codes? A company called Kudelski Group owns *********** they are the producers of the Nagra 3 codes, and have invented all 3 of the Nagra codes used in the N/A market since dn/echo star started in the US.

Now what?s been going on in the past week?
Well since Christmas week (all) DTH Satellite uplink centers have been broadcasting both codes at the same time, yes n2/n3 codes. This has some good points to it, meaning that each new (G3) card has both accesses (CW) both (public) and (private) codes for both sets of encrypting the EMMs and CAMs. Coders can use this very small amount of known information to help start a solution on coding eliminators or better known as (FTA) Receivers.

Although I'm absolutely positive that until the private (CW) codes are known the coders are not going to be able to current vent the security encryption of Nagra 3 unless the hackers are successful in peeling away the 3 extra layers of silicone security chips using a powerful electron microscope and several different acids and lasers first until they get to the final precious bottom 3 layers of the Kudelski chip where all the precious codes are hidden. This is the part where only the best hackers (engineers) have the ability to do this type of work.
So please members do not think for one minute that any ?back yard? computer ?guru? hacker can break this type of security system, I?m sorry it just ain?t going to happen. EVER
So what some of us do know is that without Chris Tarnovsky techniques that allow him to break open chip cards that block access to pay TV chains the whole world would still be without paid satellite tv. Is there hope for us yes! ofcourse it is always possible out of the hundreds of labs setup in different countries hackers are working on this problem now.
But remember they have to have several things, first access to (G3) cards, unissued cards open and clean meaning; cards that have not been imbedded with maintenance access codes, and user access codes used to track the customer uses of this system, PPV Events, PPV Movies, ~~~~ and so on. This is very important and requires someone from the inside of the manufacturing department, of the (SI) department itself. But this is not likely to happen with that amount of screening done by the company?s for their personal. And that each person has to allow the company into their lives, banking records, and life styles.

So how long will it take before any group of coders have a fix for n3, well depending on the amount of info on the new (G3) cards they might have to run on a complier for several days, or using (banks of compliers) for several weeks. It?s still unknown the amount of new process in the map codes used on these new chips. Estimate run all over the place so nobody actually knows for sure, best guess is 6 months to a year before the info needed becomes a new file for release.

So what is the FTA manufacturing doing about this?
Some are still under lawsuits now brought by echo star and dn and may not be doing anything at all, but again it is possible some have already hired hackers or paid hackers to break into the G3 encryption systems and this is where we are now. And I would bet you a hundred to a dime that?s a 1000+1 odds that ?if and when these codes? are broken and released on the internet we all will know it the same day. And on that day I bet the coders will start working on the solutions to n3 problem A.S.A.P

So until the whole of the internet is busting out with this info "HACK" we will be in the dark. That?s just a fact of life.
Whether this is good news or bad doesn?t matter to me, it?s just the truth about where we stand right now.

I hope this has atleast help explain things alittle more "this is not a rumor" nor perdition of any kind just facts you all need to know. And the last information I can post this week. As I will be in the hospital in on friday for some tests.
Written by: 0dd Thomas

where theres a will theres a way and where theres money involved theres a bigger will nag 3 will be cracked you can bet your life on it nothing is unbeatable

[mikeyb]

Thanks a lot. It sounds like people are scared of dave.

[Devilfish]

WTF is Dave?

[red devil]

WTF is Dave?

there is a lovely young lass that works down at my local
and she says "Dave" is the nick of a sly young guy she once
dated, mentioning no names

[DW190]

Well I'm Dave if that helps.

[Lanxman]

Well I'm Dave if that helps.

You have a lot of people shaking in their boots dave

[j dunny]

there is a lovely young lass that works down at my local
and she says "Dave" is the nick of a sly young guy she once
dated, mentioning no names

dfish i no u and satsmo help a lot of people so here goes if u tell me how 2 make a video i will put it up showing u n3 working in dublin on a chipped ntl box and most chanles on a krptviewa750 no bullshit this is 4 real i was going 2 keep 2 myself but lots of times i got help from this site,so i hope this helps some irsh

[sexylady]

I have been informed N3 is now working in Ireland, but have not seen any evidence.

Hope you get your video up.

[red devil]

dfish i no u and satsmo help a lot of people so here goes if u tell me how 2 make a video i will put it up showing u n3 working in dublin on a chipped ntl box and most chanles on a krptviewa750 no bullshit this is 4 real i was going 2 keep 2 myself but lots of times i got help from this site,so i hope this helps some irsh

n3 is runnin a couple of years on sat and not hacked
in dublin about a week and its hacked i doubt it
someone tellin u lies id say m8 and video evidence is useless
post up the n3 kryptview firmware for peeps to try

[gerald5445]

[QUOTE=mikeyb;139047]Thanks a lot. It sounds like people are scared of dave. WHO IS DAVE?

[smokey_jnr]

who's dave...??

[alliv]

who's dave...??

its rodney from only fools and horses.

[Lanxman]

Isn't Dave a channel on VM???