Remember too, the talk of the town for about 6 months now and the reason for all the Glitching etc is that a lot of people think (but don't know for sure) that sly are getting ready to do something really nasty, I wont go into detail as that's not what this thread is about, but its worth keeping in mind if buying boxes etc, I would certainly wait at least until mid winter before I bought one just to see what might be happening as there have been various dates mentioned specifically end of summer and start of winter, so, who knows, know one yet, its a chance ya take..................