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    Default OPEL ASTRA G do not start after engine repair

    Hello guys
    I talk about a Astra G 1.7CDTI year 2003 , z17dtl , 59kw.
    The car come with noise from engine but run good and start well.
    I proceed to open engine and there was 3 pistons with problems, after owerheating.With client we decide to change all 4 pistons with other new but +0.25.After this operation I mount the engine back in chasis made all conection and try to start but nothing.No one sign.I begin to diagnose with : Tech 2 , OP-COM , Gutmann MM50 , Delphi DS100 but no DTC.
    Fimaly I try to start with spray , the engine start and run but onlly I give him spray without spray the engine stall.My first minde was the ECU is broken but not I bring a other similar car who work and change the ECU and IMO from other car and viceversa.
    My car not start the other car start and run good.
    After put back ECU and IMO to each car I start again my car with spray and make a diagnose and now get P1335.Erase the error code and again diag. but just with ignition on no error code.
    All wiring from ECU to engine are good I check one by one.
    What I see is that wen I try to start engine , no signal to the injectors.
    Forget to say the injectors and CR pump was checked by a specialist and all work good.
    I recheck maybe 10 times the timing belt.
    All is ok.
    Please someone help me give me an ideea because I begin to be ill on this car.
    Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!

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    Sorry forget say it come diesel to common rail and have good presure like OP-COM say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tapiru View Post
    Hello guys
    I talk about a Astra G 1.7CDTI year 2003 , z17dtl , 59kw.
    The car come with noise from engine but run good and start well.
    I proceed to open engine and there was 3 pistons with problems, after owerheating.With client we decide to change all 4 pistons with other new but +0.25.After this operation I mount the engine back in chasis made all conection and try to start but nothing.No one sign.I begin to diagnose with : Tech 2 , OP-COM , Gutmann MM50 , Delphi DS100 but no DTC.
    Fimaly I try to start with spray , the engine start and run but onlly I give him spray without spray the engine stall.My first minde was the ECU is broken but not I bring a other similar car who work and change the ECU and IMO from other car and viceversa.
    My car not start the other car start and run good.
    After put back ECU and IMO to each car I start again my car with spray and make a diagnose and now get P1335.Erase the error code and again diag. but just with ignition on no error code.
    All wiring from ECU to engine are good I check one by one.
    What I see is that wen I try to start engine , no signal to the injectors.
    Forget to say the injectors and CR pump was checked by a specialist and all work good.
    I recheck maybe 10 times the timing belt.
    All is ok.
    Please someone help me give me an ideea because I begin to be ill on this car.
    Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by tapiru View Post
    Sorry forget say it come diesel to common rail and have good presure like OP-COM say.

    The P1335 is for angle sensor from diesel pump or from crankshaft sensor,but only if try to start engine....

    Could be sensor him self,wires but also loosen parts inside ESP modules created that phenomen on some Zafira

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    All wiring from ECU to engine are good I check one by one.
    What I see is that wen I try to start engine , no signal to the injectors.

    Did you connect wire per wire and pull on them,to see if continuity is lost by pulling or moving wires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsibiza View Post
    All wiring from ECU to engine are good I check one by one.
    What I see is that wen I try to start engine , no signal to the injectors.

    Did you connect wire per wire and pull on them,to see if continuity is lost by pulling or moving wires?
    Yes m8 I doo like you said and all are ok.
    Wen I change ECU with the other car the other car start and run good with the "problem car" ECU and how to damage the pump I just dismont befor engine repair and mount back after reparation.
    I check the p1335 sensors with scope and diagram signal was same like TIS2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsibiza View Post
    The P1335 is for angle sensor from diesel pump or from crankshaft sensor,but only if try to start engine....

    Could be sensor him self,wires but also loosen parts inside ESP modules created that phenomen on some Zafira
    M8 I proceed to pull the car and nothing.
    The P1335 get just after pull car or start engine with spray!!!!!!
    After erase this P1335 and made a other diagnose but just with ignition on and no pull or spray I get "no DTC stored"!!!!?????
    Please light my brain I am finish with this car since 3 week I try to made him to start.Fortunatly the client is a patient guy and no need the car he have a other but I am shame on him and on my condition.Client pay until now little less 1000euros on spare parts and other aditional operation.
    In this moment I need no money for my whole work just to see this car running and out of my garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tapiru View Post
    M8 I proceed to pull the car and nothing.
    The P1335 get just after pull car or start engine with spray!!!!!!
    After erase this P1335 and made a other diagnose but just with ignition on and no pull or spray I get "no DTC stored"!!!!?????
    Please light my brain I am finish with this car since 3 week I try to made him to start.Fortunatly the client is a patient guy and no need the car he have a other but I am shame on him and on my condition.Client pay until now little less 1000euros on spare parts and other aditional operation.
    In this moment I need no money for my whole work just to see this car running and out of my garage.

    They have faultly diesel pumps sometimes,if you have one for simple crosschange from one to other,give a try.

    Also ESP Ecu can create this problem...

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    Spray is not good for a new engine.
    What rpm and fuel pressure you read with your diag. tool?

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    Quote Originally Posted by synkrotronic View Post
    Spray is not good for a new engine.
    What rpm and fuel pressure you read with your diag. tool?
    I know this m8 but no other way to start this engine to get an ideea abouth his problem.
    In this moment I do not remember quite exactly but abouth 250-300rpm and the presure I not remember but it was exact like the OP-COM requirements because I was astonished so good CR pump.

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    "I was astonished so good CR pump."

    Why!?
    Give you around 150 b to start... ?Or more

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    Quote Originally Posted by synkrotronic View Post
    "I was astonished so good CR pump."

    Why!?
    Give you around 150 b to start... ?Or more
    It was around 220-240 bar.

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    Hi friend. Can you see the RPM in the data list just when you are cranking?. If you can't see the increase in RPM when you are crancking maybe a CKP failure. All the common Rail engines need a minimun of RPM for can start. It is because it need a Hi pressure generated for the Hi pressure pump. Try too with a very good battery. I hope this can help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Positron2200 View Post
    Hi friend. Can you see the RPM in the data list just when you are cranking?. If you can't see the increase in RPM when you are crancking maybe a CKP failure. All the common Rail engines need a minimun of RPM for can start. It is because it need a Hi pressure generated for the Hi pressure pump. Try too with a very good battery. I hope this can help you.
    Hi
    Thanks for advice but my value I think are good.If you know to must be other please tell me this.

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    p1335 is cmp or ckp sensor signal fault. i'd oscilloscope test the signals at ecu pins for good waveforms. you could also try retiming pump through 180 degrees. i saw this on one vehicle - engine rebuilt & wouldn't start. in the end it was retimed as above & started straight away

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    Quote Originally Posted by dafdiagnos View Post
    p1335 is cmp or ckp sensor signal fault. i'd oscilloscope test the signals at ecu pins for good waveforms. you could also try retiming pump through 180 degrees. i saw this on one vehicle - engine rebuilt & wouldn't start. in the end it was retimed as above & started straight away
    As I told the bouth sensors from camshaft and crankshaft I checked with scope and both have good signals same like in TIS2000 and your trik with retiming pump trough180 degrees not work because it is common rail injection pump and no matter.And what you say abouth this was a timing mistake not a trick.
    Anyway thanks for interes and help.

 

 
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