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[whiskeyman]

not alot is the answer , but as you own it then it will still help earn its replacement , buying vvdi2 is the obvious replacement for vag and bmw for now , but im sure something new will emerge . in the meantime il work it hard to get most from it until i replace it. it still has the capability of paying for itself again and funding its eventual replacement as we own it we make it work .

i hope it wont be another IEA or cryptoworks , but both these got away with this , cryptoworks more than once , even chinese tools are rising in price adding subscriptions , they may well play this game better in the years to come.

we have been here many times before , they jiggled the vag licences , they removed suburu and charged for it , both causing uproar across the forums and net , many swearing to never buy again , yet most still invested and they got away with it , just as is likely they will again , though then they was still number 1 and less alternative choices existed , so not quite in as strong a position as they once were .

like mine im sure yours has paid for itself and moved into profit long ago as you had it when it made good money , its those buying now i dont envy.

agreed we both done well out of the machine but alas it seem we are getting let down now
and if i was a new start this would be the least favourable option now

[PocketHero]

agreed we both done well out of the machine but alas it seem we are getting let down now
and if i was a new start this would be the least favourable option now

As far you can make profit even from a chinese clone you can't forget this tool.
Yes, I've ordered VVDI2, but When something won't work with that - then the only option is to buy AVDI module to be able to earn good money for my work.

[Jimmy07]

From a start up prospective Abrites is not an option now after doing some research. For them to say going online to stop cloning is nonsense there are very clever guys out there can still clone even if online this is a way of gaining revenue through new licenses. Another problem is online is prone to attack as it’s live, servers get hacked every day, trojans planted and servers go down no matter how good they are. Say server goes down and patch takes a week and is full of bugs this is reality and could happen look at RBS for an example it was down for weeks and patch was rubbish and banks would have a lot more money and expertise to fix a server crash.

30k would buy VVDI2, VVDI MB, Smart pro, dedicated BMW commander original, truecode, Vag tacho, xtool pad, Renault ECU tool etc and a van load of original programmers and clones as well as 10-15 years worth of tokens if required.

As has been said one tool doesn’t do all and in the short time doing this have seen quite a few failures with Abrites.

Putting all your eggs in one very expensive basket doesn’t appeal to me as a start up. Abrites then dictate the rules and conditions of your business remotely and don’t need to answer to anyone. There is the added risk of any company selling out, going bust, changing policy, stop developing etc

It’s a real pity as it seemed to be a good all round bit of kit but going downhill going by the posts on DK and other research I’ve done

[rapidlocksmiths]

when trying to work out what to buy the viability of abrites and any other tool come to that is hard to work out , you will be swayed by the pages , forums or groups you read , for every group that absolutely hates a tool theres another that loves it , this is where accurate research is hard to get right .

ive had abrites for many years and invested alot of money into it , but it has paid me back very well indeed , it was a tool you couldnt not prosper with as did so much that other tools could not do and was always well ahead of the rest . yes it has been on decline since miro left and the advantages have dwindled as the rest catch up and in some functions have surpassed it . but even now its token free , and for alot of functions theres still no better tool available . its still a serious piece of kit that makes money for the user.

the removal of some offline software will not affect the workshop users , nor will it affect many locksmiths in good 4g areas , they will still get the job done with their tool , for me no offline solution is a pain due to alot of underground car parks in town center and i know for whiskeyman he has a huge area where theres no online access , so for many mobiles no offline solution is a nightmare scenario , this makes its viability going forward questionable for some of us , but not all of us. but theres also a principle , we purchased this offline software so it wasnt theres to take away with no compensation or no warning .

ive not had very many fails with avdi at all , ive even completed plenty of jobs where others with avdi have failed , mainly down to user error or not understanding the systems they work on , it does have its regular fails on older vag and some ford but on the whole you can succeed on most of its claimed coverage .

as token free the tool is certainly worth its money as payback is guaranteed if you are busy enough and charging enough for your services , it was certainly easier to get quick payback back when it had huge advantages and vast coverage advantages than for a new start today buying it all . if i was starting out today i would probably buy vvdi2 for vag and for bmw , but for PSA , Fiat , Vauxhall , Mitsubishi i would stick with abrites and buy again .

as i own it and as it still has a reliable vast token free coverage i will certainly keep it working hard and increase the profit it has made , whether i invest further in it will depend on what new releases offer me and what the payback scenario to profit is versus other options becomming available and whether offline or online .

there was a huge buzz about im600 , yet when reading the facebook group there is some fantastic solutions even abrites doesnt have , but theres alot of frustration with bugs and fails on alot of euro software , and this new breed of china tool isnt cheap .

maybe one day miro will return to abrites and make it excellent again , maybe he will release his own tool in which case that would be a good route to follow or maybe he will develop for a different manufacturer, in the meantime il continue working my abrites hard and keep an open mind as to where my money is spent in future , as this game changes fast , top spot changes yearly , todays gold is tomorows scrap the key is to profit from your investments enough to reinvest when the changes come .

going downhill is true , but not terminally so and not on all applications and still has many positives , they are just far fewer than they once were. despite the current upset with them , as an investment its been a very good one, if i could turn back clock then id certainly invest in it again , whether i continue investing depends on abrites and their actions in future and on what other equal or better machines come to market , i doubt these will be chinese , but i keep an open mind as vvdi is chinese and excellent .

[Jimmy07]

I agree with a lot you’ve said Rapid it was the best tool on the market once and it’s paid you back and probably turned you good money on your investment and will continue to do so as paid for many times over by now. But for me starting out I’ll not be investing tens of thousands on one horse. China is coming into the game and its a game they will ultimately win due to a booming economy, cheap labour and very switched on developers. It wasn’t so long ago everything was clones or even clones of clones but they are now in the development game so sometime in the near future a tool will be developed and released to rival anything available. Abrites will not win the “ahead if the field” game without charging the customer a lot of money. They are up against a country that pay airline pilots $ 6.00 an hour so how can they ?
That’s my view but as always it’s just an opinion.

[rapidlocksmiths]

the cheap wide coverage china tool will indeed happen , however , this is a huge double edged sword , as once a cheap tool is avaiable that does so much , every price cutter every internet and forum trained new start gets one and prices tumble to a level no one can make money with it , you tube fills up with videos , and vehicle manufacturers up their game and we are back to square one .

high prices for kit was a stable position in this trade but then so was high rates for doing jobs so one balanced out the other , the inbalance occured once the price cutters appeared most from all the free internet info avaialable .

everything is a double edged sword , if the perfect tool appeared cheap , the trade would decline faster , theres always a cost to what we wish for , personally id be happy with high prices again if it meant high work rates again and the job becomming skilled again.

a cheap solution for super wide coverage already exists , orange 5 , tango , tmpro offer coverage most programmers fail on and probably has wider coverage than any obd programmer including abrites.

the trade has a terminal cancer with no cure .

[Jimmy07]

Yes this is very true Rapid if cheap everyone will be an expert unfortunately but it’s here to an extent FVDI etc seen to that. There’s idiots here doing Keys for £40 but as you’ve always said it’s staying ahead of the pack but this too will close in soon. An example is xtool 100 pad 2 apparently it is supposed to do spare MQB keys according to posts on here ( I haven’t tested as yet so can’t say either way ) coverage seems pretty good and is updating every other day. This tool is £600-£700 so imagine the power of a £10k Chinese tool if developed 🤯

[rapidlocksmiths]

mqb spares every one who bought it from the developer has already even supervag i believe , abrites and vvdi had this for a while now , i purchased the licence with abrites when 1st released so got payback and into profit before the rates get slaughtered , very soon there will be zero profit in spare mqb keys so will make us less money than a late psa key or fiat key.

the £40 keys is the norm now , cheap tools , internet etc will ensure this worsens . one man thinks hes found the ideal business learning from the net and buying cheap kit , what they dont figure out is so have 30 others in the area so at some point none of them make any money , though the 1st mqb system the break and their profits gone on their next 40 jobs .

i make more money on other brands of vehicle than i do on vag and bmw , every man and his dog killing rates on these , better to find the niches they dont or cant do as its here one can still prosper

[Jimmy07]

Supervag will only programme dealer MQB key for now I think the xpad can generate dealer key but again I haven’t tested as yet so can’t say for certain. I lived in Kent, London and stayed in many other places over there with work. I can say for sure the market is different in England compared to here. People in England take a lot of pride in their cars and tend to trade them for new every 2-3 years. Over here is a bit different it’s very much a drive them till they drop mentality so market here for older BMW, VAG etc is still strong. AKL for MQB will be a good earner when it’s released but I’m sure the Chinese developers will be as close as Abrites to cracking this

[rapidlocksmiths]

i dont think it will be abrites or the chinese that crack this fully , more likely the developer who cracked the mqb spares will crack it and sell it to them all again , my moneys on eastern europe releasing the most stable solution. the issue for chinese is the access to euro models , its this lack of access to euro models that has hampered them in past , and as some manufacturers use a host of different ecu units on same model they rarely crack them all.

need balls of steel to be the 1st to try new china coverage , wonder how many will get bagged , though wont matter as no comeback in china to manufacturers.

pride in our cars in uk , the amount of sheds i see on wheels doesnt paint that picture

[Jimmy07]

You wanna bet Rapid we invented the word shed over here

There is supposed to be a developer lives about 20 miles from me in Carryduff who is behind a lot of the new breakthrough software his name has slipped my mind but apparently all the big noise companies buy his software so both of us could be wrong.

There will be plenty to test drive the Chinese crack if it’s cheap but won’t be me my little glass balls couldn’t handle the stress

[rapidlocksmiths]

You wanna bet Rapid we invented the word shed over here

There is supposed to be a developer lives about 20 miles from me in Carryduff who is behind a lot of the new breakthrough software his name has slipped my mind but apparently all the big noise companies buy his software so both of us could be wrong.

There will be plenty to test drive the Chinese crack if it’s cheap but won’t be me my little glass balls couldn’t handle the stress

you have a few guys with big reputations on the emerald isle with excellent reputations in this field , who work on such projects , just as theres a few in many other countries including eastern europe and russia and of course china and i bet all have worked with and are on 1st name terms with each other and with the ex abrites developers like miro who is one of the best , as theres is a small specialised world , that world is well above my pay grade , as not my thing , my passion is mechanical locks always has been always will be , work is a pleasure when working on what you enjoy , for what they all do im a gratefull user of their work , but for me locks are what float my boat.

lots of great developers , its the suits and the bean counters that sour things

[skynete]

Hello friends. I'm to abrites user(new) I only have Mercedes functions and programmers... I interested if kapdiagnostics forum is helpful? I want read and learn something more. Thank...

[rapidlocksmiths]

kap diagnostics no longer have a user forum

[whiskeyman]

kap diagnostics no longer have a user forum

and if you want to ask questions about your software
they want to charge you hundreds of pounds to answer any questions
and the software you have working today
might be gone next month
or need pay more money to use what you were using already

you ou will get zero support
and I think know-body there has a clue what the software does now
as most bought in from 3rd party company’s now
whole lot a joke
invest your money somewhere else