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[Johnner]

Hi all,

It appears that there is an endemic problem with this particular forum..

People are breezing in here...throwing a file in...want it done while they're having a coffee,providing very little to no information about it,and just generally having no common manners about it...

Then,on occasion,throwing a hissy fit 20 mins later when no-one has edited the file for them

These people have generally a considerable "Please help me" post count,with no working relationships with anyone here....ie...they're not prepared to help other people out when they need it

From here on in,these types of posts will be binned,and if that member persists with these types of posts...they will be booted from this Site

I think it's only fair that we should all expect some level of reciprocity here...ie....I scratch your back..you scratch mine ?

Guys,it's a community that works both ways for everybody...not just take,take,take


Best Regards

[davecooper47]

Hi all,

It appears that there is an endemic problem with this particular forum..

People are breezing in here...throwing a file in...want it done while they're having a coffee,providing very little to no information about it,and just generally having no common manners about it...

Then,on occasion,throwing a hissy fit 20 mins later when no-one has edited the file for them

These people have generally a considerable "Please help me" post count,with no working relationships with anyone here....ie...they're not prepared to help other people out when they need it

From here on in,these types of posts will be binned,and if that member persists with these types of posts...they will be booted from this Site

I think it's only fair that we should all expect some level of reciprocity here...ie....I scratch your back..you scratch mine ?

Guys,it's a community that works both ways for everybody...not just take,take,take


Best Regards

Here here.

I for one have been less involved on this forum because of this. On peer to peer sites they call it leeching!!! I have spent thousands of pounds on equipment over the years and spent many hours teaching myself and learning algorithm's etc. Only to see people with a £50 piece of kit, constantly post dumps on here and ask other people to basically do all of the work for them and more often than not someone does. In effect I could be helping someone on my doorstep take away earnings from me, and probably have. Now before helping, I look at the member's contribution and location. If their contribution is negative and location is not stated or deliberately ambiguous I will not get involved. This rule is not before time.

Well done Johnner.

[koyot]

admin maybe too late
I already know many beginners who have worked long in this way
and I think infinite help only my help my dpf egr tunig immo freeeee only and only freee


dave share your opinion


b.r all real dk member

[davecooper47]

admin maybe too late
I already know many beginners who have worked long in this way
and I think infinite help only my help my dpf egr tunig immo freeeee only and only freee


dave share your opinion


b.r all real dk member

I will still help people who I think are not freeloaders. But a lot of the time it’s hard to tell. People withholding their location etc.


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[Nicolas9]

why not make location mandatory?

[hoangtu]

I totally agree! We share is good, but some members just want to get help without helping anyone! a little urgent!

[pierre renault]

Hi, why do not you create a forum just for you all four?

[dziuggy]

I do agree with most points you make, especially annoying are the posts with insufficient info and title - "help" )

However i am also fairly new here and haven't contributed that much, and it is not because I don't want to, there are multiple reasons for that, some of witch i will try and explain.

I personally work on motorcycles as a hobby, and I have learned quite a bit here, but it took me a lots of research and help of other members (thank you!) to even learn some things, a lot of times when I asked questions it was hard to get the answers and one of the answers was - "you don't need to know how it works, just ask for help and we will help you"

So there are definitely people who prefer keeping their knowledge to themselves, so how a new guy who doesn't know much about this can help if info isn't shared with them?

Another point I want to make is time spent here, it seems that there are some people that spend a lot of time here and help a lot of people so most of the posts are answered very quickly. So in my situation it is very unlikely to stumble upon post that I can help with and that no one offered the solution on it yet - since bike questions are not that common. I don't think it is fair to expect people just sit on this forum refreshing it to give help before someone else does.

that said I try to post what I can - i.e. if i can't find powerup and trace wiring diagram myself, I always post the solution. And I always try to follow up on my requests so everyone knows what works and what doesn't.

and lastly would you really want all the newbs trying to help? most of them that do seem to download tachosoft and offer generic "mileage is stored....." solution and these don't work a lot of the time.

So my question would be would you really want this forum overun by newbs trying to help without proper knowledge?

Or maybe this forum should be for professionals only and normal people should not be allowed here?

Personally I think the answer is in the middle, newbs helping = bad, and if only pros were here than there would be no reason to help anyone since they would know everything themselves.

So yes there are a lot of leechers, but some people don't mind helping and I personally do not see the problem with that.

So to sum it up, why is this forum here? To help all or for group of pros to hangout and chat? It is up to everyone to decide I think.


however i would be all for standardized posting format that would require relevant info.


regards!!

[esx503]

I do agree with most points you make, especially annoying are the posts with insufficient info and title - "help" )

However i am also fairly new here and haven't contributed that much, and it is not because I don't want to, there are multiple reasons for that, some of witch i will try and explain.

I personally work on motorcycles as a hobby, and I have learned quite a bit here, but it took me a lots of research and help of other members (thank you!) to even learn some things, a lot of times when I asked questions it was hard to get the answers and one of the answers was - "you don't need to know how it works, just ask for help and we will help you"

So there are definitely people who prefer keeping their knowledge to themselves, so how a new guy who doesn't know much about this can help if info isn't shared with them?

Another point I want to make is time spent here, it seems that there are some people that spend a lot of time here and help a lot of people so most of the posts are answered very quickly. So in my situation it is very unlikely to stumble upon post that I can help with and that no one offered the solution on it yet - since bike questions are not that common. I don't think it is fair to expect people just sit on this forum refreshing it to give help before someone else does.

that said I try to post what I can - i.e. if i can't find powerup and trace wiring diagram myself, I always post the solution. And I always try to follow up on my requests so everyone knows what works and what doesn't.

and lastly would you really want all the newbs trying to help? most of them that do seem to download tachosoft and offer generic "mileage is stored....." solution and these don't work a lot of the time.

So my question would be would you really want this forum overun by newbs trying to help without proper knowledge?

Or maybe this forum should be for professionals only and normal people should not be allowed here?

Personally I think the answer is in the middle, newbs helping = bad, and if only pros were here than there would be no reason to help anyone since they would know everything themselves.

So yes there are a lot of leechers, but some people don't mind helping and I personally do not see the problem with that.

So to sum it up, why is this forum here? To help all or for group of pros to hangout and chat? It is up to everyone to decide I think.


however i would be all for standardized posting format that would require relevant info.


regards!!

Great point. I'm rarely here and I do ask for help on things I'm stuck on. The majority of the time everyone helps with whatever troubles I'm having. Same deal with me I do this on the side and can't really help anyone but as DZIUGGY said by the time I get to a post op has already been helped. Maybe the ones who need help can contribute to the forum financially I really wouldn't mind paying for accurate info myself if it helps my cause make it donation based. I can't remember what forum did that but I knew I couldnt contribute any other way so I had no problem giving back. just my 2 cents

[ascrap2003]

Get rid of the bastards, its the guys that come in and out and dont appreciate the help and dont share in return etc. I know I maybe aint that much help but its because im busy, am still learning or by the time I see a thread I cant help because Nikz, Clusters, Dr etc are already all over it.

With thats said I see many guys that come in get what they want and leave without even a thank you. I have a feelng its those same idiots that charge crack head prices and are destroying the bizz.

Because you guys are too kind and give freely therefore they dont really put in any work! Many guys on here "wont mention names" are fed up with it. I have learned to share any experience I learn with a few select guys that help me and others in return but I DM them.

Want to fix Kaos? Ban them, make it private and by membership only. Thats just my 2 cents it would make it easier for us and benefit us I believe.

BTW i DM because I dont want to share my experience even if its minimal with someone who doesnt appreciate it or deserves it! Just speaking my mind, sorry if it offends

[pierre renault]

what ugly words should be ashamed of, maybe years ago they were greatly helped and now wants to banish who is initiating. This section is ugly.

[jomberykaso]

Well done Johnner.

[Meat-Head]

why not make location mandatory?

My location been displayed almost as I got here

[jodank]

Hi guys!
I really appreciate does somebody opened this question after so many time.
This is a real problem in every community "who added more and who earned less...".

I moved from DK for several years because I found another place where I paid for my
my account and other members are also paid and that is the goal I think.

As told before, so many guys are coming here and on other free for registration forums and just ask "give me!".
In a community should exist pros, beginners and the middle layer of technicians, but that "weekend car hackers"
should be somehow filtered out.

I think, there should exist something like:
If I post a request for help.
That's ok.
But there should be a "MUST HAVE" section in my post, where I describe
what everything I have tried, done, figured out etc. but without any success.

I would say, if a post is a request for help, without a description what was tried or done before the
poster is screaming for help, that post should be binned and the poster should be warned with let's say: 1. Yello, 2. Red card and out.

I also saw situations, where many users posted an answer just for testing his solution before he tries out, does it actually works.
This is not ok I think so.
etc. etc. etc.

But, that filtering would take many hours of moderation, and the admins would overwhelm.

I think, there should be a paying system and that would withhold those users who just ask, ask, ask but no help.

Maybe I didn't should talk about this here, but I wish to stay here with people who are in some meaning normal.
Who is willing to help as, I am too, and I also wish to pay to a solution because there are so much effort and equipment
set into to get the solutions...

The location should be "Planet Earth" I decide to set that location because I'm really a tellurian.
I don't care from which country is somebody and that doesn't bother me.
Location makes no sense I think because we are all from Earth and use the Internet to connect with each other.

[Meat-Head]

Only advantage on location would be time zone
eg member fallen in Oztrailaniala land so 12 hours ahead

here in m/c on uk london time