Audi A4 B5 cluster swap VCDS problem

[poolpo]

Hey there


I am having an issue with a cluster swap on my Audi A4 B5 MY 2000.
I was having issues with the original cluster (known problem of lights going on/off, needles going up/down...). I decided to buy a new cluster off ebay. I managed to pull the pins for both the old and new cluster with VAGTacho. I then tried to use VCDS to do the swap but when I try to put in the original Immo PIN into the replacement cluster through 21-Adaptation, I am getting an "Error Channel 50 not available" whch prevents me from completing the swap. FYI, the engine starts and runs fine with the original cluster but when the replacement cluster, the immobilizer light flashes.
Would you know what I am doing wrong?
Below the Autoscan of the original and replacement clusters. As well, the measuring blocks for the orginal+replacement clusters.
Thanks for the help


Error message:

Adaptation Channel 050:
Stored value
ERROR:
Channel 50
Not
Available

Original cluster AUTOSCAN

Sunday,29,March,2020,17:49:14:00007
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2 (x64)
Data version: 20180927 DS296.0




VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX License Plate:




Chassis Type: XX (8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2002))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Mileage: 226290km-140610miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-019-AJM.lbl
Part No: 038 906 019 AN
Component: 1,9l R4 EDC 0000SG 1301
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 63C5198DF155BF52A8-4B18


1 Fault Found:
17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
P1570 - 35-10 - - Intermittent
Readiness: 0 0 X X X


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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-111-ASR.lbl
Part No: 3B0 614 111
Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT D00
Coding: 00012
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 53A5C94DA1F54FD238-513C


No fault code found.


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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
Part No: 8D0 820 043 N
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D58
Coding: 00043
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 2B55B1ADD905371250-25A4


7 Faults Found:
00787 - Temperature Sensor in Fresh Air intake duct (G89)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
00603 - Footwell/defroster Flap Positioning Motor (V85)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01272 - Positioning Motor for Central Flap (V70)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01273 - Fresh Air Blower (V2)
17-10 - Control Difference - Intermittent
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
01582 - Signal for Coolant Temperature
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
Part No: 8D0 959 655 J
Component: Airbag Front+Seite 1001
Coding: 00104
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 3D718FF53771A9A2FE-5178


1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent


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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 8D0 920 900 M
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D51
Coding: 00040
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2D51BFB5E71139224E-4B18
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX AUZ5Z0Y6074095


10 Faults Found:
01039 - Coolant Temperature Sensor (G2)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00667 - Ambient Temperature Signal
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
01128 - Immobilizer Pickup Coil (D2)
35-10 - - - Intermittent
01177 - Engine Control Unit
64-10 - Not Currently Testable - Intermittent
01176 - Key
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
00562 - Sensor for Oil Level/Temperature (G266)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent


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Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels:. 8D0-862-257.lbl
Part No: 8D0 862 257 B
Component: ZV-Pumpe, Funk D16
Coding: 14913
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 2C57B2B1DC0B302A59-4F02


6 Faults Found:
01367 - Central Locking Pump Run Time Exceeded (Likely Leak)
35-00 - -
01365 - Lock/Unlock Switch; Interior
29-00 - Short to Ground
01389 - Tailgate Open Switch (F124)
29-00 - Short to Ground
00991 - Interior Lights
28-00 - Short to Plus
00955 - Key 1
09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed
00956 - Key 2
09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed


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Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 4B0 035 186 E
Component: Radio 0001
Coding: 00201
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 224B5C89AECFF65AE3-4B00


1 Fault Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent


End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:18)--------------------------

Original cluster measuring blocks:

Address 17: Instruments (8D0 920 900 M)


17:42:55 Group 022: Immobilizer I
1 Engine Start permitted
0 Engine (ECU) responds
1 Key Status
4 Number of adapted Keys


17:42:55 Group 023: Immobilizer II
1 Variable Code authorized
0 Key Status (Transponder)
1 Fixed Code authorized
6.0 Immobilizer Status


17:42:55 Group 024: Immobilizer III (Lock Time)
0.0 Lock-Time Instrument Cluster
0.0 Lock-Time Engine (ECU)
0.0 Lock-Time Emergency Unlock
0.0 Lock-Time Transponder

Replacement cluster AUTOSCAN

Sunday,29,March,2020,17:18:26:00007
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
VCDS Version: 18.9.0.2 (x64)
Data version: 20180927 DS296.0




VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX License Plate:




Chassis Type: XX (8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2002))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-019-AJM.lbl
Part No: 038 906 019 AN
Component: 1,9l R4 EDC 0000SG 1301
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 63C5198DF155BF52A8-4B18


1 Fault Found:
17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
P1570 - 35-10 - - Intermittent
Readiness: 0 0 X X X


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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-111-ASR.lbl
Part No: 3B0 614 111
Component: ABS/ASR 5.3 FRONT D00
Coding: 00012
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 53A5C94DA1F54FD238-515A


1 Fault Found:
01203 - Electrical Connection between ABS and Instrument Cluster
31-10 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent


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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
Part No: 8D0 820 043 N
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D58
Coding: 00043
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 2B55B1ADD905371250-25AA


7 Faults Found:
00787 - Temperature Sensor in Fresh Air intake duct (G89)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
00603 - Footwell/defroster Flap Positioning Motor (V85)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01272 - Positioning Motor for Central Flap (V70)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01273 - Fresh Air Blower (V2)
17-10 - Control Difference - Intermittent
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
01582 - Signal for Coolant Temperature
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
Part No: 8D0 959 655 J
Component: Airbag Front+Seite 1001
Coding: 00104
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 3D718FF53771A9A2FE-5178


1 Fault Found:
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent


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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 8D0 920 900 M
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D56
Coding: 00060
Shop #: WSC 39527
VCID: 2D51BFB5E71139224E-4B00
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX AUZ5Z0E0257036


No Faults Found
or DTCs not supported by controller
or a communication error occurred


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels:. 8D0-862-257.lbl
Part No: 8D0 862 257 B
Component: ZV-Pumpe, Funk D16
Coding: 14913
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 2C57B2B1DC0B302A59-4F1E


6 Faults Found:
01367 - Central Locking Pump Run Time Exceeded (Likely Leak)
35-00 - -
01365 - Lock/Unlock Switch; Interior
29-00 - Short to Ground
01389 - Tailgate Open Switch (F124)
29-00 - Short to Ground
00991 - Interior Lights
28-00 - Short to Plus
00955 - Key 1
09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed
00956 - Key 2
09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed


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Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 4B0 035 186 E
Component: Radio 0001
Coding: 00201
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 224B5C89AECFF65AE3-4B00


1 Fault Found:
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent


End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:22)--------------------------

Replacement cluster Measuring blocks:

Address 17: Instruments (8D0 920 900 M)


22:51:41 Group 022: Immobilizer I
0 Engine Start permitted
1 Engine (ECU) responds
1 Key Status
2 Number of adapted Keys


22:51:41 Group 023: Immobilizer II
0 Variable Code authorized
0 Key Status (Transponder)
0 Fixed Code authorized
6.0 Immobilizer Status


22:51:41 Group 024: Immobilizer III (Lock Time)
0.0 Lock-Time Instrument Cluster
0.0 Lock-Time Engine (ECU)
0.0 Lock-Time Emergency Unlock
0.0 Lock-Time Transponder

[brend]

All immo in here......https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forum...y.php/178-IMMO

What about key's for new cluster?
New cluster is same like ori?

[poolpo]

Hey @brend

The replacement cluster came without ignition keys, I will be using my original keys.

I think the 2 clusters are the same. See below
The original cluster part # is
Part No: 8D0 920 900 M
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D56

The replacement cluster part # is:
Part No: 8D0 920 900 M
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D51

Thanks

[brend]

And how you know like original immo chip not locked for programming?

Hey @brend

The replacement cluster came without ignition keys, I will be using my original keys.

I think the 2 clusters are the same. See below
The original cluster part # is
Part No: 8D0 920 900 M
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D56

The replacement cluster part # is:
Part No: 8D0 920 900 M
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. M73 D51

Thanks

[armi]

Hi, first set coding 00040 from old cluster! Keys must bee adapted . New transponders must be used only if booth ECU ( cluster and engine) is changed.

[poolpo]

,Hi, first set coding 00040 from old cluster! Keys must bee adapted . New transponders must be used only if booth ECU ( cluster and engine) is changed.

Hey armi, thanks for your answer. A few follow ups questions:
-Are you referring to soft coding # 00040 for the original cluster and soft coding # 00060 for the replacement cluster? What should I do with that?
-I thought the key needs to be adapted after the PIN from the old cluster is moved to the new cluster via Adapatation and then channel 50. Isnt that correct?

Thanks again

[poolpo]

And how you know like original immo chip not locked for programming?

Not sure what you mean. The orginal cluster comes from another vehicle and I am not sure if it is locked. How can I find out? Thanks

[poolpo]

Thanks guys. I understand now your 00040, my car is a 4 cylinders but the new cluster comes from a 6 cylinders because it was 00060. So i changed that.

But more importantly I was following Immo3 cluster swap procedure when my cluster is Immo2. I was convinced my cluster was Immo3 but apparently not. So adter following Immo2 steps everything works well. Problem solved.


Immobilizer II Immobilizer Swapping (Instrument Cluster)
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...ument_Cluster)