Programmers

[Sarge786]

I am looking to start the vehicle Ecu, immo, clocks repair servicing and would like to know which programmers I will be needing, and which adapters.

I have acquired two programmers:

Advantech Lab Tool-48
and
a Xeltek SuperPro/L+

I would like to know please:

1, Are both these good enough for me to cover everything to do with MCU and Eeprom reading writing?

2, Will I need adapters and if so which ones please?

3, I haven't any software for them what software do you recommend and where can I get it from please?


Thanks in Advance

Sarge

[MAXIMUS1000]

Hi Sarge

In my case I have about 6-7......I have CARPROG ,XPROG-T,WILLEM,Beeprog,TMS370,WELLON,LOGIN READER,ECUREADER....

They work great.....

[Sarge786]

Thanks MAXIMUS1000, WOW you got a big collection, do they all do different things or you just got a collection acumulated over time?

Which ones of your collection do you consider to be the best? and which one covers majority of chips and the jobs you do?

Trouble is as I am new to all this, I don't know which to buy and which to leave as I don't want to waste money on things I won't be using.

Also I don't know how to tell which ones are original and which are fake (clones), and where to buy the original ones from.

Do you think the ones I got can be used? and for which chips are they useful for?

Sorry about all the questions :D

Thanks

SARGE

[adam28]

Hi

Have a look here Car Diagnostics / Programmers (http://www.techgsm.org.uk/cat_Programmers_1201.html) They have some decent programmers.
BEEPROG is good but very expensive!

[Sarge786]

Hi

Have a look here Car Diagnostics / Programmers (http://www.techgsm.org.uk/cat_Programmers_1201.html) They have some decent programmers.
BEEPROG is good but very expensive!

Thanks Adam, which one's should I look to buy then?

Cheers
SARGE

[adam28]

X prog-T is a good start mate, but all this programming is not as easy as you may think!

[Sarge786]

X prog-T is a good start mate, but all this programming is not as easy as you may think!

Thanks Adam, I do understand that buddy :)


It's just that I'm unfamiliar with the components used therefore I am unaware what devices I will need. I haven't been able to find comprehensive data in this field as to the components used and devices needed.

I rebuilt my Audi from fire damaged, involving a complete strip down to bare shell and rewired/rebuilt, when it came to the immobiliser I got messed around a lot, but found it very interesting and decided to start up my own business.

I have Vag Hex Usb, Vag Tach 2.2 (but hex is corrupt in chip I think :( ) Vagxobd, and still adding.I want to be able to get the pin from ALL Vag cars (to start with) so that I can program new keys and then cut/supply keys too.

If your interested in reading My Audi story let me know, I think you'll find it interesting :D

Thanks Buddy
SARGE

[adam28]

Does sound interesting mate!
I have a launch X431 diagnostic scanner a T300 key programmer and a universal dash programmer. Im a car sprayer and body repairer/mechanics/Diagnostic.
Im new to and learning how to bypass a immo and remove Crash data from airbag ECU and read the dumps in car radio eeproms.
maybe we can help each other on this as we go along.
Take alook here. its a start!
Copy and paste all of the link dont just click on the blue part.

www.avtodiag.com/oborud/ (http://www.avtodiag.com/oborud/)xprogm/files/Xprog_m_manual.pdf

Cheers

[adam28]

I forgot to say its probably best to start with 8 pin smd eeprom which are normally 24xx 93xx 25xx this is a good programmer for this and cheap. 24Cxx, 93Cxx and 25xxx Serial Eeprom programmer E-EPROM on eBay, also Assemblies EM Devices, Components Supplies, Electrical Test Equipment, Business, Office Industrial (end time 14-Jun-09 14:08:29 BST) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/24Cxx-93Cxx-and-25xxx-Serial-Eeprom-programmer-E-EPROM_W0QQitemZ310142413739QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_B OI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET?hash=item4835 edabab&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1121|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50)

And this is good for doing in circuit.

Programmers IN-CIRCUIT SOIC Test Clip (http://www.tek-tronics.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=37&products_id=53)

With internal Eeproms which are in MCU its more difficult.
you can desolder these and read on board on your programmer or read in circuit which can also be difficult.
info on all this seems to be hard to come by.If you find stuff out let me know.
It took a while for me to find this out i hope it helps!

Cheers

Adam

[Sarge786]

Does sound interesting mate!
I have a launch X431 diagnostic scanner a T300 key programmer and a universal dash programmer. Im a car sprayer and body repairer/mechanics/Diagnostic.
Im new to and learning how to bypass a immo and remove Crash data from airbag ECU and read the dumps in car radio eeproms.
maybe we can help each other on this as we go along.
Take alook here. its a start!
Copy and paste all of the link dont just click on the blue part.

www.avtodiag.com/oborud/ (http://www.avtodiag.com/oborud/)xprogm/files/Xprog_m_manual.pdf

Cheers


Hey Adam, Thanks for your info, I have seen the little Eeprom proggy and am awaiting replies from several sites with regards to more equipment.
I was thinking of getting the T300 as well, but haven't spoken to anyone who had one to see what it is actually capable of in the real world, looks like your the man for that ..lol.
Will it work with ALL vag K line and Can Bus? to read pins? also what other info does it extract from Vag Cars?

The X431 is an expensive bit of kit isn't it?
How useful do you find that on a day to day basis?

If course we can work together on this mate, look forward to it. :D

Oh here's that link to My Audi Rebuild I did.

VWAUDI Forum (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=33719)


Cheers Mate

[adam28]

the t300 is very good, it can extract pins of some vags, but the later vag range will not be possible for this as the program the dealers use is GEKO. They plug into their tool and send data to germany dealer then recieve data back to programme in,bit of a scam i know but nowt else can be done yet. So you see now that there is no tool available yet that can do this so vags around 2004 and later is a no go. Enless you can use immo killer on them. If all you want out of the t300 is to read pins i would not waste your money,It Programs keys on all vags no problem vag tacho is ok and alot cheaper. X431 is good , but only worth the money if you are in the trade. same with t300 really. You wont need a t300 if you can learn how to turn the immo off. Cheers Adam

[Sarge786]

Yes I got the info about the Geko. There must be a way around this and this is something I will explore.

I also have immo killer v1.1 (haven't used it, no interfaces as yet) and will look into that too. The Vag Hex Usb programs the keys anyway, it's just the pin issue. I hear the T300 may be useful on several other makes & models for key programming at least.

My aim is to start with Key/remote progamming, diagnostics, etc moving onto ecu, comfort unit, control modules repairs etc
With the Immo of issue while that is an option, I was thinking it would be better to return the car to original status of fully factory immobilised as opposed to killing the immo, which I think may have security/insurance implications etc

Cheers
SARGE

[adam28]

This is where i bought my T300.Diagnostic UK (http://www.diagnosticuk.com/) they have some other good tools to.

[MAXIMUS1000]

Thanks MAXIMUS1000, WOW you got a big collection, do they all do different things or you just got a collection acumulated over time?

Which ones of your collection do you consider to be the best? and which one covers majority of chips and the jobs you do?

Trouble is as I am new to all this, I don't know which to buy and which to leave as I don't want to waste money on things I won't be using.

Also I don't know how to tell which ones are original and which are fake (clones), and where to buy the original ones from.

Do you think the ones I got can be used? and for which chips are they useful for?

Sorry about all the questions :D

Thanks

SARGE
Hi sarge

I advise you to Buy the CARPROG and Willem to start with, most eeproms will be cover ...They are good programmers,I work everyday with this 2 ...

I buy it from index (http://www.obd2cartools.com) ( They are local to me BUT they send to other countrys also)The material is ALL original,no fake like many others ....and the support is just great......

Speak with MARC at www.obd2cartools.com (http://www.obd2cartools.com) ,the advise is just great 100%....they are very honest with they clients,,and the products they are all original and updated...

Cheers

[auto_flash_tech]

i like exeltec superpro...i work with it!!!

[Sarge786]

i like exeltec superpro...i work with it!!!


Did you mean Xeltek Superpro by any chance?

I can't find anything on exeltec :call2:


Cheers
SARGE

[Sarge786]

As per my original post and questions:

I have a Labtool 48 (not xp or uxp) and Xeltek Superpro L+

Can I make use of these? can these above be used instead/for any of the programmers you guys recommended?

Cheers

SARGE

[adam28]

sorry sarge I dont know to much about these.
How you doing? Have you bought any programmers?

[Sarge786]

sorry sarge I dont know to much about these.
How you doing? Have you bought any programmers?

Hi Adam, No, no development as yet I'm afraid. Speaking to someone abroad who has quite a few products and may even become an agent if it is viable.

Will let you know on progress, as I still need to establish all the products I need/looking for.

Cheers
SARGE

[adam28]

Just had my hot air soldering station delivered today to help with desoldering. Im pretty useless at soldering! And thought this may help. I have a few old circuit boards to practice on. which i keep cooking:s:. Bit worried about when i attempt the real thing!:afraid::smokin:
From the line of business you was in you are probably pretty good at this. Any tips would be great if you have some.:D

Cheers sarge

[Sarge786]

Just had my hot air soldering station delivered today to help with desoldering. Im pretty useless at soldering! And thought this may help. I have a few old circuit boards to practice on. which i keep cooking:s:. Bit worried about when i attempt the real thing!:afraid::smokin:
From the line of business you was in you are probably pretty good at this. Any tips would be great if you have some.:D

Cheers sarge


Adam you sound like a competent man, I'm sure you will without doubt, manage. The thing with Hot Air units are you have to find the perfect balance between temperature and air, just enough to melt the solder and not too much temp to burn the board, watch for surrounding components, and watch your fingers!
I would say start at lowest temperatures and work your way up from there, noting the melting points. As you are already doing, it is always best to get started on scrap boards first, will give you confidence.

Try to practice on same/similar sized chips that you will encountering.
Yes I used this on mobile phone repairs as you can imagine its pretty hard to repair a mobile using a soldering iron.

Don't worry, you'll be fine mate!. :D

Tip : there are even videos on Youtube to show you how to use them ;)

Cheers

SARGE

[adam28]

Thanks mate!
Cant imagine how hard it is to work on them tiny Phones!
Think i will steer well clear of those!:burnout:

[3mexVK]

hello everyone! this forum is awesome, and i am looking forward to contribute as soon as i can! i am planning to start working on mercedes instrument clusters, ecu and eis, so i would be grateful for any help regarding the equipment and software. can you recommend me any? i only work with mercedes vehicles, so the equipment should work with all of them. thank you in advance! eagerly waiting for your response

[wiggyshome]

Hi 3mexVK
we have in our workshop merc star(das) for diagnostics and programming .works very good with all mercs i have had no problems with it , what is it your trying to do?

[3mexVK]

Hi 3mexVK
we have in our workshop merc star(das) for diagnostics and programming .works very good with all mercs i have had no problems with it , what is it your trying to do?
i also use star diagnosis at our workshop, and i have no problems with that. i have the developer mode, but with it i cannot access the internal data in for example instrument cluster, for example to change odometer reading, unlock EIS or engine ecu. there are a lot of things you cant do with star diagnosis. i want to purchase eeprom programator which can read/write chips in mercedes vehicles. so i need a recommendation from anyone who has tested and working solution. thanks!

[3mexVK]

bump :D anyone?

[3mexVK]

UPA-USB
good programmer
ELRASOFT Products (http://www.elrasoft.com)
thanks. what is necessary to have of additional tools? do the chips have to be desoldered? i am a newbie to all of this, but i am willing to learn. also, i have very good knowledge of assembler languages and architecture of processors, but i lack the practice and experience. thank you guys! youre the best! :D

[3mexVK]

thread bump :D

[tango]

As per my original post and questions:

I have a Labtool 48 (not xp or uxp) and Xeltek Superpro L+

Can I make use of these? can these above be used instead/for any of the programmers you guys recommended?

Cheers

SARGE

the labtool is an great programmer
u have 3 options for software.....
1 u can get it from adventech website
2 u can get it from dataman website
3 u can get it from burntec
they are all the same labtools ie advantech make em for dataman and burntec (usa/uk supplier)

i have the labtool 48xp (used to be the normal labtool 48 but i bought the upgrade board from dataman (?395) )

the other programmer i dont know about sorry

[tango]

Just had my hot air soldering station delivered today to help with desoldering. Im pretty useless at soldering! And thought this may help. I have a few old circuit boards to practice on. which i keep cooking:s:. Bit worried about when i attempt the real thing!:afraid::smokin:
From the line of business you was in you are probably pretty good at this. Any tips would be great if you have some.:D

Cheers sarge

which model u bought?

1 big tip for u is dont put the air above 5 (anything above this can cause other components especially smd's) to be blown off

cant really help anymore till i know which 1 u have
iv had my 803a for 5 years and its now packed in :(
so bought a newer 1 best 858d which is digital display readout for the temp

i wouldnt be without my rework station m8 like i said been using 1 for about 5yrs now.
i used to be a tv engineer b4 going into tuning cars and diagnostics etc

i mostly now repair xbox360's rrod

[adam28]

which model u bought?

1 big tip for u is dont put the air above 5 (anything above this can cause other components especially smd's) to be blown off

cant really help anymore till i know which 1 u have
iv had my 803a for 5 years and its now packed in :(
so bought a newer 1 best 858d which is digital display readout for the temp

i wouldnt be without my rework station m8 like i said been using 1 for about 5yrs now.
i used to be a tv engineer b4 going into tuning cars and diagnostics etc

i mostly now repair xbox360's rrod

Alright mate,

This is what i have New Desoldering & Hot Air Rework Station - CSI-825A++ on eBay (end time 26-Oct-09 19:37:19 GMT) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Desoldering-Hot-Air-Rework-Station-CSI-825A_W0QQitemZ320377628629QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Ho me_Garden_PowerTools_SM?hash=item4a97fea7d5&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14)

Works ok, Ive pretty much got the hang of it now.:top:
Your reply is much appreciated;)

Cheers

Adam

[tango]

software for labtool 48lv

http://www.dataman.com/Webpages/download.aspx?DNK=Dataman48SoftwareWindows.zip&VK=false

@adam28

nice station m8 :) its similar to the 968 with 2 digital readouts(968 has 2 for temp adjustment and actual temp, and manual control for air).
urs has 1 for the temp and other for air :)

[tango]

just checked all other sites i know of for the older labtool 48lv software and the above link iv posted is the only 1 i can find :(

@adam28

another good tool with ur station is the pump for lifting chips

[predragr]

i have shematic diagram and softver for etl tms 370 programmer.
I need good pcb for this programmer.
plese send me if anyone have.

best regards:stupido3:

[darkhorse737]

UPA-USB
good programmer
ELRASOFT Products (http://www.elrasoft.com)

which UPA-USB programmer specifically works best for odometer correction... would you know?

I looked at your link , they offer at lest 3 of them. I am new to all this as well so i am kinda' lost too.:questionmark::questionmark:

[michpm]

which UPA-USB programmer specifically works best for odometer correction... would you know?

I looked at your link , they offer at lest 3 of them. I am new to all this as well so i am kinda' lost too.:questionmark::questionmark:
Search an "Order" link on the elrasoft page and go on it.
The full package of UPA-USB Programmer is "Device Programmer LNT" an above you can see "Buy" link

[darkhorse737]

Search an "Order" link on the elrasoft page and go on it.
The full package of UPA-USB Programmer is "Device Programmer LNT" an above you can see "Buy" link

THanks...

a follow up question, if you please. When you use these programmers, does the eeprom chip have to be removed from say the instrument cluster or ecu in order to reprogram? Or does this programmer do the reprogramming via a suitable interface?

[Amine13]

THanks...

a follow up question, if you please. When you use these programmers, does the eeprom chip have to be removed from say the instrument cluster or ecu in order to reprogram? Or does this programmer do the reprogramming via a suitable interface?
There are a lot of situations,
1st Desolder Eprom totally from main PCB, put it in adapter, and read/write.
2nd, use special clip to put on eprom and read it without desoldering...
3Rd, for mcus (using UPA for example), you need to solder some wires as indicated in manuals, and make direct read, no need to desolder totally.
I think there are more situations, but this what I have in mind for the moment...
REGARDS.

[a.zorba]

new programmer beeprog2

[Qwarz]

Has anyone tested Wellon VP programmers and can share opinion about them?

[Amine13]

A friend of mine has VP980, and he always says it's very good programmer...
Regards.

[Qwarz]

I have checked that VP 590 programmer and it must say it is good proposal :)

[boboss80]

salut c'ets tu ce quil faut comme logiciel pour un programmateur mx-05

[rashid01]

hi any one intersting to key programming i will give u manual user toyota 4c 4d nissan mitsubushi ford suzuki some other

[rashid01]

just u need lab tool 48 and mvp or t 300 etc u can programme much more modle

[chris101]

Thanks guyz.
Your help is much appreciated.

[Fallen]

@Rashid01

Hi mate, are those manuals to do with virginising ecu's? I'm looking for information on that. Early rav 4 and honda red/black key system.

Cheers.

[mexanico1971]

hello every body !
I buy e willem eprons programer but the seller dont send me de soft and the drivers !
can anyone help me please ! this is the programer !
http://i6.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a3/0f/7f96_1.JPG
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[electromech]

hello every body !
I buy e willem eprons programer but the seller dont send me de soft and the drivers !
can anyone help me please ! this is the programer !
http://i6.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/a3/0f/7f96_1.JPG
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Sivava.com to download software

[bram380]

Use Willem software new version...

[deffc0n]

For me the best is UPA-USB i work about 90% microchip .

[mastaflex]

UPA USB + BEEPROG this is what i use, no problem till now. can read about 100 % of chips

[mexanico1971]

thanks peaple !

[henryss]

Hi,

I'm waiting for my UPA-USB prog :) How does it work with Motorola devices? Enough capable to handle most dash panels, ECUs, immos?

Regards
Henry

[sosautomotive]

This is where i bought my T300.Diagnostic UK (http://www.diagnosticuk.com/) they have some other good tools to.


Hi friend,
the tools looks like from china clone, is that true?

[adam28]

Hi friend,
the tools looks like from china clone, is that true?

sorry for late reply, sometimes i miss posts.
Yes the t300 is obviously a clone. I got mine from here ages ago because its in uk.And i was abit worried about getting from china.Since then i have bought tools from china and so far so good.
Dont know if everything is clone though.(diagnostic uk)

Cheers

Adam

[topdog101]

Try this , just wonderful !!!


NEW GENIUS TOUCH MAP - www.allcartuning.com (http://www.allcartuning.com/en/main/tuning-tools/flashtools/new-genius-touch-map.html)

[s3man]

Willem works great for me. Also buy a good desoldering tool, most important.

[PremierD]

Hi all,

Elnec products are the best !!!
I use Beeprog and it is very good programmer.

Please check this website :

Dataman,Grifo and BK precision are the same with Elnec products.

Also, very good programmers Xeltek Superpro 280u,580u and 3000u.
(http://www.xeltek.com/)

Advantech Labtool-48uxp is a good programmer but there is fewer supported device list.
/ (http://www.aec.com.tw/)

If anyone wants to buy such programmers I'm contactable at eBay or at this website :

Regards,G

Oh dear ...mate you should have stuck to E-Bay...... lol

[tiger707]

Thanks for these great infos..

[raphael]

i think so .... all family xeltek is better i have a 501s

[luis12]

Hi mate, with Superpro you cover all needs but its not so easy as we wish, but you need to come in and learn.

[m3mpower]

UPA USB + BEEPROG this is what i use, no problem till now. can read about 100 % of chips

Hi
Where can someone buy the UPA USB from? I am looking for a reliable source

Thanks

[Milkman]

I think Elrasoft (http://www.elrasoft.com/) is the most reliable source.

[m3mpower]

Thank you for the information

[hbr]

Hello, just found this thread, I would like to know what the best way is to get started with the use of programmers? Are there books or some other ways to learn how to use them? Or is it the best to buy a programmer and try? I've been fixing cars for almost 15 years but I would like to know something more about the internal electronics and how to change them.

[Amine13]

the best start should be with UPA programmer, easiest and cheapest one, once you get started, try to read the very useful posts here, there are answers for almost every question that can get in your mind. Good luck !!!

[koziolek]

UPA-USB programmer

[hauwkee]

usb=upa what s the bect place to get it original
i wanna read mostly 93x and ews BMW pll52

[underbird_gsm]

Elnec Beeprog+ its the best or the new one Beeprog2 the best programers