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Antonio266
9th April, 2021, 11:18 PM
Hi to all, i have to make a second key with remote for an Opel Vivaro 2017 (It's pratically a Renault Trafic). I will attach the original remote that customer already have and what has read the TMPro from it. For programming i have Autel IM608 or OBDstar x300. I've never done a Vivaro so i want to know from who has already done this job.

For programming with Autel (or something else) i have to enter in Renault Trafic? The key programming procedure is like a Renault car or it's like Opel (Pull out 4 digits pincode ecc..)? And last, can i use an Xhorse remote for this Hitag AES-ID4A? I was thinking about the Xhorse MQB style smart keys (but with blade) if i can use it.

I hope someone can help with my doubts, thanks

lion0304
10th April, 2021, 01:05 AM
Battery support and hold process take about 25 minutes.

I've did Trafic with X300 before get Autel. I think IM can do too.

Antonio266
10th April, 2021, 02:17 AM
Battery support and hold process take about 25 minutes.

I've did Trafic with X300 and before get Autel. I think IM can do too.
Are you sure it's 25 mins procedure like Smart 453/Twingo?
I've seen this on youtube, few minutes procedure like other Renault cars..
https://youtu.be/XbCVGnyvG-Y

lion0304
10th April, 2021, 03:23 AM
Are you sure it's 25 mins procedure like Smart 453/Twingo?
I've seen this on youtube, few minutes procedure like other Renault cars..
https://youtu.be/XbCVGnyvG-Y


Do it by youself and get correct answer!!!

lesakljucevi
10th April, 2021, 06:58 AM
Yes You right, power support and 25 min. with IM508 and good internet conn

Manta1600
10th April, 2021, 08:15 AM
I tried with many XH keys with im608 and the remote not work

The remote of the customer key work fine but the XH key only start the car

The key is 4A

Antonio266
10th April, 2021, 08:41 AM
I tried with many XH keys with im608 and the remote not work

The remote of the customer key work fine but the XH key only start the car

The key is 4A
Thank you for this feedback, to be sure i will order an aftermarket remote..

Jimmy07
10th April, 2021, 02:29 PM
IM 608

Good internet
Battery support
Tablet charged
Aftermarket remote

Follow on screen instructions carefully

Done

TERMINATOR1000
10th April, 2021, 04:50 PM
Are you sure it's 25 mins procedure like Smart 453/Twingo?
I've seen this on youtube, few minutes procedure like other Renault cars..
https://youtu.be/XbCVGnyvG-Y

If car is unprotected , already add key or AKL , just need 3 minute ! This video is an fake like CAS4 & FEM BMW

p1et
10th April, 2021, 04:57 PM
I believe Smart Pro do key programming straight forward in 3 minutes

fred77
10th April, 2021, 09:34 PM
Yep SmartPro does in ~3 minutes

No pee'ing about done few best tool on these

Evernemi
10th April, 2021, 09:44 PM
Autel will take 25-30 min . Use battery support . You need a 4a key

TERMINATOR1000
10th April, 2021, 09:44 PM
I believe Smart Pro do key programming straight forward in 3 minutes


We talking about AUTEL fake tutorial on YouTube , i use this option too , with AVDI in AKL situation , 3 minutes AKL ! BUT IF procédure fail BCM car is dead ...
Better is to read flash for add key , in case of problem you just rewrite it and car wake up .
Twingo 3 & Trafic 3 are very risky cars , that is the reason why R.E.T UCO don't support this cars ...


Smart pro use 20€ token / key , other are free to use

rapidlocksmiths
10th April, 2021, 11:37 PM
smart pro does use expensive tokens unless you buy software outright of course , but it does do the job very quickly .

worth mentioning that TDB1000 also does these on spare keys ( not AKL yet ) not as fast as smart pro but gets job done , a nice touch they have is the patches to repair if it goes tits up so is safe to use on these for spare key jobs and a far lower cost than alot of other tools as well , also there support seems very good.

good battery support is essential on these

lion0304
10th April, 2021, 11:43 PM
I tried with many XH keys with im608 and the remote not work

The remote of the customer key work fine but the XH key only start the car

The key is 4A


Chinese after market AES work well.

Also I've tested CHinese key and genuine key renew by KD work too.

kleidaras
11th April, 2021, 07:38 AM
Smart pro have 11 euro token not 20. And for smart and twingo traffic is the safest tool. Silca write is not possible make damage. I have done a some and never have problem. Also never read for problem for smart pro.

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TERMINATOR1000
11th April, 2021, 11:33 AM
Smart pro have 11 euro token not 20. And for smart and twingo traffic is the safest tool. Silca write is not possible make damage. I have done a some and never have problem. Also never read for problem for smart pro.

Στάλθηκε από το S31 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk

Let me smile !
Problem is not the tool , it's the process !
Let me explain you :
- 25 minutes method
a) read flash & save it ( 20 minutes )
b) errasse / virgin / delete PIN code read protection of BCM
c) Add key

- 3 minutes method
a) virgin / delete PIN code read protection of BCM to read PIN code
b) Pre-code new key if AKL or simply add key

3 minute méthode is safe if you have no problem , but you have no backup in case of problem ( battery , OBD2 plug ... )

11 € is good price if you need only one

kleidaras
11th April, 2021, 11:39 AM
Let me smile !
Problem is not the tool , it's the process !
Let me explain you :
- 25 minutes method
a) read flash & save it ( 20 minutes )
b) errasse / virgin / delete PIN code read protection of BCM
c) Add key

- 3 minutes method
a) virgin / delete PIN code read protection of BCM to read PIN code
b) Pre-code new key if AKL or simply add key

3 minute méthode is safe if you have no problem , but you have no backup in case of problem ( battery , OBD2 plug ... )

11 € is good price if you need only oneExcept if a 3rd method but you and me not know about .
Silca write this. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210411/1486737304f8484207685e30455b36d1.jpg

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TERMINATOR1000
11th April, 2021, 12:31 PM
They copy to theft ( keydevice ) method & AVDI method ( R.E.T USE FIRST on Clio 4 ) , they're the last to use it

No "master key" on Renault , this notice is simply an joke ! Tool made BCM T4 in virgin state to read PIN code , learn it with old key , add new key ( or pré-code new with tagKey if AKL )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW8Z8kcUUAs

nazz2
15th April, 2021, 01:34 PM
Just done a 2019 traffic ,spare aftermarket remote key with smart pro,no pre coding,with jump pack on, it took around 4 minutes.

TERMINATOR1000
15th April, 2021, 04:34 PM
Just done a 2019 traffic ,spare aftermarket remote key with smart pro,no pre coding,with jump pack on, it took around 4 minutes.

Yes sir , pre-coding only for AKL situation ! like Clio4 2016+ AKL ...

p1et
14th July, 2024, 10:18 AM
Except if a 3rd method but you and me not know about .
Silca write this. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210411/1486737304f8484207685e30455b36d1.jpg

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But if you start procedure, SP warn user that Advanced Diagnostics do not take responsibility for any damage done to the car by using this process so clearly it's not 100% safe and some people unfortunately felt that on their skin

rapidlocksmiths
14th July, 2024, 11:53 AM
at 11 euros a token you are very lucky , not so lucky in uk for users here and token cost depends on the number of tokens you buy

10 x tokens £26 plus 20% tax each
25 x tokens £15.20 plus 20% tax each
50 x tokens £13 plus 20% tax each
100 x tokens £11.50 plus 20% tax each
250 x tokens £9.10 plus 20% tax each

so with tax no where near 11 euros , in fact need to buy 250 minimum to get anywhere near that price here. of course if bought at tradeshows and promotions savings can be made to reach this price band.

i know of a number of these bricked with smart pro from reading forums and groups , mostly user error , inadequate or no battery support , not ensuring that all modules match with same vin before starting the process , smart pro is one of the safest and quickest on these , but like terminator100 i prefer avdi as have a back up in the event it goes tits up which it can , nothing is 100% safe on these systems thus the warning on smart pro etc , risk can never be eradicated totally , but can be reduced by users doing their checks and using adequate battery support.

kleidaras
16th July, 2024, 08:36 AM
But if you start procedure, SP warn user that Advanced Diagnostics do not take responsibility for any damage done to the car by using this process so clearly it's not 100% safe and some people unfortunately felt that on their skin

On the beginning not have this warning! for this reason i bay the smartpro but they add warning letter. Now i have bay and i use Abrites. Abrites kill a traffic from a friend. This trafic have card. ufter key programming remote work and unlock the steering wheel and also have ignition for 2 sec. The vin on all module is the same. They solve problem after reset airbag module. But vin is 100% on this module.

sonofanun
14th August, 2024, 05:45 AM
i know of a number of these bricked with smart pro from reading forums and groups , mostly user error , inadequate or no battery support , not ensuring that all modules match with same vin before starting the process

Hi how can i tell if all the modules match with the same vin? I'm planning on doing a spare key on a 2016 vivaro using smart pro

Thanks

rapidlocksmiths
14th August, 2024, 09:17 AM
Hi how can i tell if all the modules match with the same vin? I'm planning on doing a spare key on a 2016 vivaro using smart pro

Thanks

i use abrites vin reader that connects with your mobile phone https://remkeys.com/product/vinr-vin-reader/

but any scan tool that can read fault codes in all modules should list the vin in each model it reads , abrites does , im608 does , but as stated i use abrites vin reader , its stand alone so you dont need an abrites to use it.

fuzz1
15th August, 2024, 12:32 AM
Hi
I saw someone saying using a battery jump pack instead of a battery maintainer. Is that something of an unmeasured risk or for 25 minutes good enough

rapidlocksmiths
15th August, 2024, 09:22 AM
Hi
I saw someone saying using a battery jump pack instead of a battery maintainer. Is that something of an unmeasured risk or for 25 minutes good enough

many do this , personally i dont trust this as jump packs like batteries can suffer voltage dips , i like the assurance that i wont dip below 13.8v or 14v throughout the procedure , just 1 less thing to worry about on these troublesome systems.

but as i say many use jump packs and jump leads from their vehicle , some dont bother with any support at all , if a risk they are happy taking then good luck to them as long as they fix it if the worst happens , then its their risk to take.