500c - Card Sharing

[opsmonkey]

we dont live in Italy so their laws mean jack shit here

Cardsharing is a breach of contract between the subscriber and the content provider.. no ifs or buts..

duplicating conditional access systems and then distributing them.. whether it in your own home or to another for free or profit is illegal.. END OF..

[Bulld0g]

Come and watch me at work then??

Seriously I am 99% sure there is case law recently in Italy there has been a case where you can not be stopped from using 3rd party recievers.

I know it was in Italy but case law exists across the boundaries of europe.

I know terms of service exist with Sky about use of the card and the reciever its used in, not sure about VM, but just because its there, does not in any way mean that it is legal. FACT.

They sell multi room to make more money. Again they are exploiting a loop hole in their unfair terms of service.

I wouldnt phone them up and tell them as that would just be stupid.

Bulldog -- Apologies for being off topic I ownt post again in this thread.

It's an open forum and your entitled to post what you want in it . I just don't know where the little dig about the man in Liverpool came from. It was an insinuation that i listen to shite on the street.
I'm well aware of card sharing and how it works and the bullshit spouted about cracking N3 etc. I don't believe what people tell me i see things myself then form an opinion.

[flyingpig]

It's an open forum and your entitled to post what you want in it . I just don't know where the little dig about the man in Liverpool came from. It was an insinuation that i listen to shite on the street.
I'm well aware of card sharing and how it works and the bullshit spouted about cracking N3 etc. I don't believe what people tell me i see things myself then form an opinion.

I live in Liverpool, work in Liverpool, and was born and bred in Liverpool. It was defo not a dig.

The man was selling c/s services from a stall at the computer fairs, and got done, it was in the Liverpool Echo. Still dont agree with the sentence though, as a man found over the drink drive limit with kids in a car was given a suspended sentence for 3 months by the same person. Amazing..Baffles me.

[Bulld0g]

I live in Liverpool, work in Liverpool, and was born and bred in Liverpool. It was defo not a dig.

The man was selling c/s services from a stall at the computer fairs, and got done, it was in the Liverpool Echo. Still dont agree with the sentence though, as a man found over the drink drive limit with kids in a car was given a suspended sentence for 3 months by the same person. Amazing..Baffles me.

Ok m8 fair play. I remember that case. Done in Manchester, totally forgot about it TBH

[.: JaCkPoT :.]

FP in my case does seem quite correct. Your house is subbed to the card not a receiver as card pairing isnt in place yet.

[despdan]

I will have to agree with flyingpig on use of card in your own home they can't do anything you have paid a sub so you can watch what ever channels you've subed for in any equipment you own. they can only do you for interfering with their equipment card & box. you own every thing else even the cable.


& we won't even start on nagra3

[HoTTDubbER]

Come and watch me at work then??

Seriously I am 99% sure there is case law recently in Italy there has been a case where you can not be stopped from using 3rd party recievers.

I know it was in Italy but case law exists across the boundaries of europe.

I know terms of service exist with Sky about use of the card and the reciever its used in, not sure about VM, but just because its there, does not in any way mean that it is legal. FACT.

They sell multi room to make more money. Again they are exploiting a loop hole in their unfair terms of service.

I wouldnt phone them up and tell them as that would just be stupid.

Bulldog -- Apologies for being off topic I ownt post again in this thread.

sky uk have no issues with you using 3party receivers if ur using it in a legal way, meaning ur using the receiver for its intended job only

if you ring sky uk and tell them you are dish and box ready and have a free sat set-up from somewhere like maplins they will send you just a card out to use in the receiver

if you was 2 ring them and tell them ud be using that receiver to share the card to other receivers then guess what u gonna run into problems and they wont issue u a card

its not the issue of 3rd party receivers its what u do with them that defines there legality

it wouldn't surprise me if a company tried 2 make u use there receiver and put in terms and conditions ,but if u where using in a legal manner then technically u wouldn't be breaking the law just terms and conditions if they had them

p.s i also will not be using cs on my cable line , 1 of the risk involved mentioned by others and 2 i see cable cs as a complete waste of time

[opsmonkey]

side with who you like

if you share your card in your own house you are breaking T&C..

distributing a product that you do not own or have rights to is illegal.. civil or criminal it doesn't matter..

if you're dumb enough to do it crack on..

[HoTTDubbER]

I live in Liverpool, work in Liverpool, and was born and bred in Liverpool. It was defo not a dig.

The man was selling c/s services from a stall at the computer fairs, and got done, it was in the Liverpool Echo. Still dont agree with the sentence though, as a man found over the drink drive limit with kids in a car was given a suspended sentence for 3 months by the same person. Amazing..Baffles me.

yeah but this guy was attempting 2 mass market boxs along with a lowcost subscription of the channels

this guy was plain dumb

and is just as bad a pay servers , infact he was 1 of them also
the scum of the cs world

this is no different to the people that was busted for selling illegal cable boxs ready 2 view without a sub

this guy was 1 off case for being such an idiott and thinking that he could legally market this stuff on a computer fair

, he was caught at the computer faire

you have more chance of stealing a car and selling it 4 scrap than u have getting away with such schemes as this

[ianmac]

If you share a card in you own home it will be on your own internal network that will not show up on any of the card providers systems,

Most people own there own box so it is only the card that is an issue,

To me it is the same as if you were to use an RF splitter or video sender to watch a tv program on 2 or more tv's.
Or buy a cd & make mp3's out of it to listen on your ipod/iphone or in your car ect,
Or having a phone chip & using it in your laptop to get the internet.

All these are supposed to be illegal to do but everyone does it & fair play to them.

--- Ian ---

[Bulld0g]

Most people own there own box so it is only the card that is an issue,

No they don't. As far as Virgin are concerned, you rent the box off them and never buy it unlike Sky.

[HoTTDubbER]

If you share a card in you own home it will be on your own internal network that will not show up on any of the card providers systems,
--- Ian ---

i agree sharing a card on an internal network in your own home that has no access to the net isn't a risk

but most people that are interested in cable cs are intending is to have the shares coming in from the net and from external servers
which is what these guys are talking about

[flyingpig]

Still ,even if you break the t&c's you are not breaking the law. This would be civil law if you shared it in your own home, as you are not breaking any statute, and it is not illegal until a court says it is.

Then even if you break the t&c's it would have to goto court for them to decide if it was illegal, and as in this case it has not gone to court in this country so it has not be defined as illegal. So I suppose a status quo exists.

With civil law the supplier would have to prove a loss, and as you (your address) subscribe you are not costing them anything, so they are not losing. No loss = no case.

It would never fall into the category of criminal law, unless you re-sold the rights or shared them with someone else who doesnt have the rights.

I will put together the reasons why it is not illegal to share around your own home and post it in another thread on another day.

[ianmac]

No they don't. As far as Virgin are concerned, you rent the box off them and never buy it unlike Sky.

When I got Virgin, I was told that I had to buy the box for ?99.

[Bulld0g]

When I got Virgin, I was told that I had to buy the box for ?99.

Ok not arguing on this one m8 . You must have bought your box very recently, because mine is property of VM. Most forums will not allow the sale of cable owned equipment such as boxes and modems.
So when did you buy yours, and what's the difference between yours and mine ?