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  • Doggie8
    Newbie
    • Dec 2008
    • 2

    #1

    not so good news

    I have just read this on another site,how true it is,your guess is as good as mine,but here goes

    The information in this message is not hearsay, speculation, or rumour, but comes direct from the heart of Virgin Media technical operations at Hook, passed on by a contact who is informed, reliable and will remain strictly confidential (his/her job depends on it)

    This week we have all experienced a sudden change in the way Virgin encrypts its premium channels. This post explains some facts and what's to come very very soon. It probably won't cheer you up. Sorry :-(

    Remember when Virgin pulled Sky channels off their feed? That was a tough choice for Virgin. It hurt Virgin and it hurt Sky. The reduced ability to convert Sky customers over to Virgin and loss of advertising audience meant that both companies wanted to renegotiate terms. Ulimately Virgin wanted to get Sky channels back for the Christmas period but this was not straight forward because Sky was concerned about the high number of non-paying customers able to view Sky channels via the Virgin network. To be fair Virgin have also been concerned, but Sky forced them via the Terms and Conditions of supply to implement a comprehensive encryption system to lock out all non-paying customers before Christmas.

    Hence many months ago was born 'Project Santa'!! An internal Virgin project to provide to its customers Sky channels with enhanced encryption before Christmas. The project has several important phases. Firstly there is new advertising, which you may have seen, warning customers about the illegality of certain pieces of equipment. Then there is direct mail warning some customers directly to disconnect equipment and coupled with telephone hotline to report offenders.

    The next phase was to get Sky back on the feed. This was turned on in November successfully and has put Virgin in a much better position to recruit new customers in readiness for their Christmas programming. The final phase is to address encryption and security. This is more complicated because they want to secure the network but with little or no impact on paying customers. What you have all witnessed in the last week is the first step of the program with an interim Nagravision software upgrade which will soon move the whole Virgin tv network over to Nagravision version 3. Enabling rolling daily code changes is merely an early side effect of this implementation. Virgin knew that it would be circumvented quickly, but it was designed to de-stabalise the illicit set-top-box market before Christmas and wipe out a proportion of the existing usage for non-paying customers who do not have the expertise to remedy.

    What you have not seen yet is the final step and cutover to full Nagravision V3 encoding. This requires all paying customers to be issued with a new card for their set-top-box and in some cases a firmware upgrade. This is no small operation. New cards are already in manufacture and a special Royal Mail contract for guaranteed delivery before Christmas has been signed. The recent software change has enabled very limited testing of N3 to be started in about 1000 individually selected customer endpoints. So an exact date for cutover is not decided as yet and will be determined by the recarding and testing work in progress. The deadline should be before Christmas. Although contingency is in place in the event of unforseen problems.

    The bottom line is that N3 will go onto the Virgin TV network very soon and this will render all non-paying cutomers set-top-boxes useless for probably quite a long while. N3 is currently in use in several european tv networks and has not been circumvented to date. Whilst nothing is unbreakable, it will be measured in months rather than weeks and may require bespoke hardware rather than just a software fix.

    I have every expectation that this post will be heavily flamed and rubbished. But have in mind, many of the readers / posters here make a living from selling set-top-boxes and they are hoping for a busy December as people ready themselves for a rich Christmas programming selection on cable tv. The last thing they want is for potential customers to hear what Virgin have planned for what will become a very expensive freeview box. Utimately time will tell.
  • manu
    Newbie
    • Dec 2008
    • 12

    #2
    heard a similar thing off a mate who works at Virgin at the weekend. basically summed it all up and this marks the end of the freebie TV that many thieves have benefited from.

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    • dctyper
      V.I.P. Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 2539

      #3
      that does make the 6th december at 10pm warning rather fruitful.

      but to my understanding. sky pay lots of dosh for nagra3, this will also be included in the costs to vm when letting them use their service, surly vm wont pay this again. the cost will be to high!
      Wavefield Ds 55cm at 13E 19E and 28E receiving everything out there on 2 dm800hd

      previous life dm800hd and 500c on cable screw you nag3


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      • clit-eastwood
        DK Veteran
        • Aug 2008
        • 339

        #4
        Interesting reading

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        • durden267
          Newbie
          • Oct 2008
          • 16

          #5
          isn't the 6th December that Boxing thing called Judgement night though? Heard it on another thread and just wondering whether it's a big coincidence? I think the post has some value as there seem to be too many people who know people who've heard the same thing. Just yesterday I was phoned by the mother-in-law to tell me that her friends who works for VM told her the self same thing!

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          • bl4ggs
            Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 40

            #6
            BS

            The way i see it is vm are having to make people redundant because they are not making enough money so how the hell are they going to afford the switchover ? I still think this may be a rumour that has like always snowballed out of control again.I think every family in this country know someone connected to vm in situations like this if you know what i mean. I personally think the rumours are BS.

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            • durden267
              Newbie
              • Oct 2008
              • 16

              #7
              I'd like to think it's bs and I agree with you bl4ggs that it does seem that every man and his dog seems to know someone who knows something(no dis-respect to anyone) but it just seems that a lot is happening right now and things are changing but not for the better!!!

              @manu- when you describe us as 'thieves that have benfited from freebie TV', are you including yourself in that bracket?. Just seems a rather strange post for your first one.

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              • happylarry
                Newbie
                • Nov 2008
                • 6

                #8
                My milkman knows everything so i asked him, he has not heard anything like this so it must be bs.
                mind you he did say the woman at number three is carrying on with the postman.

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                • deano1981
                  Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 66

                  #9
                  think something is definately goin on!! i mean they are going to switch one day and sky possibly forced them to in order to receive sports/movies etc

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                  • gillyk59
                    Newbie
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 5

                    #10
                    If it happens I for one would say we have had a good run!! I've had my box for three years. We'll just have to wait and see!! Great site by the way!!

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                    • .: JaCkPoT :.
                      Retired Sat TV Addict
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 5607

                      #11
                      doesnt sound too good.... anyway we still have our satellite box.... hehe

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                      • cbatts
                        Junior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 20

                        #12
                        The end is nigh!

                        I believe there is too much of a coincidence for there not to be some truth in this. Virgin & Sky get back in to bed and suddenly they step up their security. It's no secret that Sky has some of the most sophisticated encryption software about so Virgin could offset the costs of this by a greater uptake of the full package. Swings & roundabouts folks. I hope there's a workaround but I fear it may take a while. Ah well. Best to be philosophical for the time being.

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                        • nellyscossy
                          Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 80

                          #13
                          Originally posted by manu
                          heard a similar thing off a mate who works at Virgin at the weekend. basically summed it all up and this marks the end of the freebie TV that many thieves have benefited from.
                          there are an awful lot of "mates" on here lately

                          bit of a srong "theiving" first post i think!!!!

                          fact of life im afraid .. record companies were warned years ago about the extortionate mark up on a cd album, they didnt listen...along came mp3s and downloading and they start crying to the government for help with music "theives".......

                          cable and especialy sky think they have the world to ransom.........well stop crying!!!!!!!

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                          • deano1981
                            Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 66

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gillyk59
                            If it happens I for one would say we have had a good run!! I've had my box for three years. We'll just have to wait and see!! Great site by the way!!
                            had moneys worth i agree but just spent over ?200 upgrading to new box and harddrive so hope not

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                            • Doggie8
                              Newbie
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 2

                              #15
                              I have read over this a few times,certainly makes sense,but like I said it came from another source so believe what you will.
                              If I find any more info it will be posted.
                              Lets just hope it is better news next time.

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