The Official Kryptview Moan thread!

[TcG1]

If any ISP wants to check activity then they will need a WARRENT to do so,suspicion of fraud is not enough for the to do a check they still HAVE TO HAVE a warrent, they cannot just say oh sdod it we think so and so is doing something lets have a look, not that easy m8 .
VPN ENCRYPT data, so if the client is using VPN they are much better protected than some who do not.

Also stevieboy you said this

Kryptview wanted to bring the iconnector out for the dw800 but it wasnt possible hense having a new HD box designed with a DVB-C tuner and a DVB-T tuner.

oh it was and IS possible no reason why it cannot, but for reasons known to them they did not. So it wasnt that it COULDNT it was that they WOULDNT.

[stevieboy10]

If any ISP wants to check activity then they will need a WARRENT to do so,suspicion of fraud is not enough for the to do a check they still HAVE TO HAVE a warrent, they cannot just say oh sdod it we think so and so is doing something lets have a look, not that easy m8 .
VPN ENCRYPT data, so if the client is using VPN they are much better protected than some who do not.

Also stevieboy you said this oh it was and IS possible no reason why it cannot, but for reasons known to them they did not. So it wasnt that it COULDNT it was that they WOULDNT.

thanks for your input m8y, although you will find that ISP's now have legal responsibility to make sure that you are using there service in a legit manner and have to keep records. true they wont let any1 have info without court order but they can still check it out themselves. if virgin cant stop sv/kv they will start deactivating accounts of individual end users from using vm bb to decrypt encrypted transmissions, in the hope of putting everyday joes off stealing their service.

i messed up the quote in reply box when editing. i never said that it wasnt possible for kv to run the iconnector in conjunction with the dw800, i was the person that pointed out the fact that kv could have used the iconnector with this model, also that they arent squeaky clean and did actually leave there dw800 customers high and dry. the way sv have done.

[DW190]

if virgin cant stop sv/kv they will start deactivating accounts of individual end users from using vm bb to decrypt encrypted transmissions, in the hope of putting everyday joes off stealing their service.

This could be be a double whammy against themselves. Take the ones that have VM BB just to supply the craving for free TV. VM deactivate the BB account. Like a drug the free TV is vital so some other BB is sought and the deactivated BB cable still provides the TV but the BB money is now diverted away from VM.

If they concentrated their efforts on providing reasonably priced fast BB with free TV as part of the BB deal they would steal the market from all angles.

[gadgetfiend]

I agree most of their coin is in the BB they only get a carrier fee for premium sky owned channels, they will not jeopardize that guaranteed monthly BB income by chasing up KV end users and prosecute them for theft of service for sky's channels. They have done enough to secure their platform i.e. the very costly transition to N3 anything else is just going to be targeting the bigger fish in the pond.

[supercharge]

what can we do.

[alex123]

If any ISP wants to check activity then they will need a WARRENT to do so,suspicion of fraud is not enough for the to do a check they still HAVE TO HAVE a warrent, they cannot just say oh sdod it we think so and so is doing something lets have a look, not that easy m8 .
VPN ENCRYPT data, so if the client is using VPN they are much better protected than some who do not.

Also stevieboy you said this oh it was and IS possible no reason why it cannot, but for reasons known to them they did not. So it wasnt that it COULDNT it was that they WOULDNT.

rubbish about the dw800 m8 i know for a fact they have tried for a long time to get an icon to work with the dw800 and could not and reason was the chip set was not compatable

[DW190]

rubbish about the dw800 m8 i know for a fact they have tried for a long time to get an icon to work with the dw800 and could not and reason was the chip set was not compatable

I would agree with that.

Iconn cost to importer ?10.00 sells at ?60-?80 = ?50 min profit with minimal shipping cost.

Minimum outlay for max percent profit.

[TcG1]

rubbish about the dw800 m8 i know for a fact they have tried for a long time to get an icon to work with the dw800 and could not and reason was the chip set was not compatable

I wont argue with you alex123 ,but i will say there is more than one reason the DW800 was not used with iconn, i like yourself know for a fact the reasons behind the 800 not being used, i will not enter into who and why though only to say that what i have already said is enough.
There are a few people here who know what im talking about.

[gadgetfiend]

If you know the reason why not share it with all and stop the speculation on it once and for all, I dont know why but if it were nothing to do with iconn compatability or chipsets i'd hazard a guess that there werent enough dw800 customers to warrant the cost and feasibility of building and maintaining an HD server that early on in the game.

[abdul razaq]

amazing how wonderful they are when you are getting free tv and as soon as there is a problem they are out to rip you off. i don't know why they would even bother bringing things back tbh when they read all the whinging and moaning on threads like this.

has it occurred to you that maybe the original uploaders have decided they don't want to take the risk anymore so they have to get new ones. or that if they put all the new cards on the same day and the server comes back up they might as well ring vm and tell them the addresses. i'm sure they have valid reasons for things taking as long as they are.

and as for sv and kv being run by the same people, well that's utter rubbish.

Your missing the point. We pay an overly exaggerated price because we think this team will homour their end by keeping the viewing going.
Yes, most of us will take the rough with the smooth, but this has taken too long and they are keeping everyone in the dark.
They appear to have plenty of supporters on forums...mostly, in my opinion are those who are selloing the boxes...so why not get the right message out to us through one of these "supporters?"

[abdul razaq]

If you know the reason why not share it with all and stop the speculation on it once and for all.

Thank you and I second this question.

[alex123]

Your missing the point. We pay an overly exaggerated price because we think this team will homour their end by keeping the viewing going.
Yes, most of us will take the rough with the smooth, but this has taken too long and they are keeping everyone in the dark.
They appear to have plenty of supporters on forums...mostly, in my opinion are those who are selloing the boxes...so why not get the right message out to us through one of these "supporters?"

actually we pay the same price for a kv that most sat users pay for a 12 month line from a sat payserver ,yes i know there are cheaper ways of sharing sat but you get glitching and downtime with sat also

[TcG1]

Thank you and I second this question.

You can second or third it, however i will not post the reasons,why? because it is not my place too, i respect the people and the reasons, and therefor it is there place and not mine to explain why.

Also Mr Razaq you go on about over inflated prices etc, well if you dont like it why buy them? And you also say that the "supporters" are mainly those who sell them, WRONG i do not nor have i sold KV boxes HOWEVER i do support them in what they do, now let me ask you something, if YOU were responsible for the servers and all would you come to ANY internet forum and post saying whats happening, why its happening and when it will be fixed? NO as its too risky,so why doesnt a "Supporter" post it?? as its also too risky,again because if this supporter was to post info it would look as if they were responsible,

Also a lot of people go on like its there god given right to know whats going on the minute it happens, that maybe the case when you pay ?xx a month to virgin or sky under a written contract, but what gives people the rights to DEMAND info when they are paying for an illegal service? it does not, ok a bit of info doesnt hurt and it does filter through, BUT all that then happens is someone pipes up and slags that person off as a liar or scaremongerer etc etc so can you see why so little is posted by those who COULD and DO know whats going on?

There has been numerous threads on this and many other forums with info, but those who are anti kv or who choose not to believe it as its not come from "KV" then start harping on and rumours start and the BS starts flowing. Its amazing how many people crawl out of the woodwork when something like this happens, its so reminiscent of the old N1 days, when there were changes implemented by the CC, all of a sudden the forums came alive with people more or less in come cases demanding a fix be released by the same old people.

Some people were obviously sold boxes on false promise "it will work for life" or another favourite " Oh its 100% safe and cant go off" are some of what ive read lmfao and people were duped, BUT im sure there are also some people out there who forget they have paid for an illegal service and who also forget that there are a lot of factors beyond the control of kv/sv etc, but that does not seem to matter to some people, all that matters is getting there precious FREE TV back up and running , this used to be a hobby for a lot of people,it used to be about learning,about coding,about working out how things are done, and for a few of us it still is, but for the majority its about free tv,leeching and making a few quid by punting boxes out under false promises.

Then when it all goes tits up??? well read the numerous threads on this and many other forums.

[stevieboy10]

actually we pay the same price for a kv that most sat users pay for a 12 month line from a sat payserver ,yes i know there are cheaper ways of sharing sat but you get glitching and downtime with sat also

kv and sat no comparison sat every time, more channels and more options. get a 1.2m motorised dish and pick up most channnels in europe. 3pm kick offs with sat there are 1000's of servers with cable there are 2 main servers and a few private shares only.u can find good sat servers with full hd & 3d , ppv, setanta1 & ire, ~~~~ and a variety of hotbird 13e all for under a tenner a month. that are glitch free. ofcourse u get downtime but its usually carried out in early hours 3-4am for minimum disruption and is only an hour or 2.

[Evastar]

Your missing the point. We pay an overly exaggerated price because we think this team will homour their end by keeping the viewing going.
Yes, most of us will take the rough with the smooth, but this has taken too long and they are keeping everyone in the dark.
They appear to have plenty of supporters on forums...mostly, in my opinion are those who are selloing the boxes...so why not get the right message out to us through one of these "supporters?"

are you suggesting that i'm a trader?

let me assure you that i have never sold any kind of boxes in my life and have never profited from the sale of any kind of boxes or tv services.

and as for keeping everyone in the dark, well i guess it looks like they weren't being secretive enough, seeing as people got a visit. which means they need to tighten up security, not loosen it.

the fact of the matter is that you have been given messages from people that would have direct contact to kv team, but you choose to ignore them and listen to any old rubbish being posted by anyone. so what more do you expect them to do? you really expect someone to come on here and say 'i am kv team and this is exactly what's happening?'

and before you start overanalysing this post and wondering if i'm talking about myself, no i'm not, i haven't been speaking to any of the kv team, but there are other posters on here that have.