medicine hmm

[tshirtman]

Another good cure and pain relief for mouth ulcers are rennie's the heart burn tablets. chew on em and then cover the ulcer with rennie spit :-)

[racin-snake]

I remember seeing a film from america about hemp oil which was extracted by an old geezer who was jailed for it. Anyway he helped loads of people in his local community who were suffering from everything from cancer to dementia. I think theres loads of natural remedies out there but the drug companies will dismiss their curing abilities so they continue to make more money.

run from the cure ?

http://www.viddler.com/explore/GreenPassion/videos/1/

was that the documentary title ?

seen a few of these documentary's
and pressure exerted on remedies deemed not tested and a few others that have been around for millennia
including sodium bicarbonate for killing tumours caused by fungi (candida albicans) a main component of over 90% of tumours

but another on essiac a tea made from herbs

these folk were deemed charlatans and snake oil sellers by the drug companies
and became big pharma pariahs for the claims
even jailed ,fined etc

in fact not condoning these as cures
but they certainly might have a placebo effect
which is shown to elevate mood and lessen stress ..killers in medical cases
as i say well worth a look cos if you don't have the option you might loose hope that there are options

[nara]

...tumours caused by fungi (candida albicans) a main component of over 90% of tumours

Unscientific baloney based on the crackpot theories of alternative practitioners like Dr. Tullio Simoncin.

There is no peer-reviewed evidence nor are there clinical trials of any sort to support this daft theory nor the notion that baking soda can cure cancer.

[racin-snake]

Unscientific baloney based on the crackpot theories of alternative practitioners like Dr. Tullio Simoncin.

There is no peer-reviewed evidence nor are there clinical trials of any sort to support this daft theory nor the notion that baking soda can cure cancer.

again can you provide proof of the absence of candida albicans in tumours and blood cancer ?
crackpot theory based on non COMMISSIONED APPROVED THEORY
AH WELL ?
shame you missed out on the main component of some anti fungals too
and why is someone a crackpot for having an alternative theory
as once the world was deemed flat !................. and now ?
so i take it radiology is non carcinogenic along with highly toxic chemotherapy
?
curing cancer by using carcinogens ...proven carcinogens !

why is it so strange when natural things like aspirin are derived from natural substances yet are prescribed for pain relief and thinning of blood to help reduce blood pressure ?

History of Aspirin
so condone some natural remedies but forget to test others as its not commercially viable ?

as usual again you jump in both feet to make yourself look like a crackpot

if there is no natural viability for some applications in natural products then i would accept your post
but in fact you are again so far from the mark that its unbelievably scary to think there are more people like you in the world

what i suggest
is go have a look make your own mind up
also Dr. Tullio Simoncin. is a qualified doctor and physician ..are you ?
not a crackpot but a trained doctor with a view and a theory that the powers that be wanted to suppress
also the use of mistletoe ?
this is also widely used for regressing cancer
and why is it so off the mark and not worthy of clinical trials or review ?

because its not patented it is natural so patent is void
cant be locked legally
come back with proof that these things are invented by crackpots
till then you are the only crackpot i see you are the charlatan and
i think you are even less informed than you think

usual stupidity from victor Meldrew impersonator shallow and misinformed claptrap based solely on the first web site that will object to anything that i say
silly old man so full of bitterness and spite ...
while here asking about the alternative medicines what about those which are tested and proven safe by clinical trials
thalidomide
great stuff eh
does anyone have a clue as to the main active (chemical) component of prozac ?

http://www.poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/prozac.html

i suggest a look it might open some eyes as to what your kids are drinking
also aspartame ...any clues what the detrimental effects of this product are ?

http://aspartame.mercola.com/

yet again please look it most certainly is worth your while lookinhttp://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/hidden_dangers.htmg

as all these are in fact certified and peer reviewed drugs yet contain some not so kind human responses
some are cytotoxic ...!
by all means have a look at what the peddle as safe ..and prescribe based on clinical scientific trials !

yet some things untested like sodium bicarbonate are deemed and vilified as a danger ...?
even Indian medicine uses this chemical and has done for over 900 years !


also the commonly used fluoridated water we drink ....is that safe and well ?
and also has its benefits to the sanction of which it is applied noted as being worthy of putting in our drinking water ?
also why fluoridate the water when we already buy toothpaste with added fluoride which is not in fact ingested like drinking water is ?
all these medical questions are in fact viable
as fluoridated water is harmful ..FACT!
yet not prescribed but given to us daily without question ........answer that please

[Snowy79]

Trust me if there's money to be made from Herbal Remedies the Pharmaceutical companies will be all over it. Infact most Herbal Remedies are sold by the major Pharmaceutical companies so they have no reason to slate them.

[racin-snake]

Trust me if there's money to be made from Herbal Remedies the Pharmaceutical companies will be all over it. Infact most Herbal Remedies are sold by the major Pharmaceutical companies so they have no reason to slate them.

not so ...............not in any way shape or form is that statement believable
did you even look at the agenda of codex alementarius mate ?
....if you did then you've missed the point completely
or its a completely unthoughtful moronic statement to claim that what your quote above suggests


if it cannot be patented they waste money as it cannot be legally owned if its natural !
have a look for shark cartilage research abandoned as they have to make the components that work at the chemical and molecular level due to no patent being issued if it wasn't
so again wrong !....no patent no interest mate
have a good look then come back again and try to disprove the above reasons i have stated
these properties are natural so no patent can be filed it has to be man made and manufactured to apply for patent
no patent............... it aint worth a toss to these huge pharmas ...FACT!
these guys are conglomerates and do not want to have you find anything that they do not sell that has any beneficial health effects ..period
it is not in their remit to use natural products because ...they are natural not patented and cannot control the money and copying and therefore cannot control the price
please look at facts before writing ...might save some embarrassment later as you clearly have not researched any of these claims that you suggest ...

take a look [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLI8UVdTzQ&feature=related"]***x202a;Codex Alimentarius***x202c;‏ - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLPnjTuNG90&feature=related"]***x202a;Codex Alimentarius - Dare you ignore it?***x202c;‏ - YouTube[/ame]
can anyone of you people who condone these treatments ... completely see that stuff like radiotherapy and chemo therapy cannot and will never be as safe as they would have you believe ?

what is more toxic ..baking soda or radiated chemicals or radiation treatment ?
....answer that one please

[Snowy79]

One major flaw with your views is in believing that Pharmaceutical Companies are only interested in Patented drugs. Take a relatively small company like Johnson and Johnson. They sell literaly millions of different products ranging from Talcum powder, Herbal Remedies, Patented drugs, generic drugs, medical devices etc.

These companies are the medical equivelent of Tescos. If they see money to be made from anything they will swallow up the major producers and manufacturers, spend millions on advertising and convince the public their stuff is the best.

If there was no money to be made from selling non patented medicines, vitamins etc we wouldn't have the likes of Holland and Barrett etc turning over miillions every year.

Basically there's very few pure Pharmaceutical companies. They tend to be just part of a large portfolio of other brands owned by investment firms etc.

[Shady]

i dunno.. zap shares his good fortune and a tip to everyone with ulcers, and the thread descends into an argument about alternative medicine...

[nara]

or its a completely unthoughtful moronic statement to claim that what your quote above suggests

Snowy79, like anyone else who challenges your nonsense, gets the usual insults.

what is more toxic ..baking soda or radiated chemicals or radiation treatment ?
....answer that one please

"What works?" is the sensible question.

[racin-snake]

Snowy79, like anyone else who challenges your nonsense, gets the usual insults.

like that nara anyone who challenges "your" nonsense
yea your right on the button there well done an own goal there my friend

like this for instance by snowy ?

Taxi for one

that was an interesting reply to a post

i ask what is more toxic and get this

"What works?" is the sensible question.

not an answer a body swerve of the question "as per usual" WHAT WORKS
only if its commercially viable to be tested by the drug companies and is patentable,you mean right

as for J&J with there credo on consumers and so on and being relatively small company did you have a look ?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ical_companies this is a small pharma conglomerate then ?



Johnson & Johnson faces lawsuits over Splenda - Splenda (Sucralose) Toxicity
Lawsuit proceeds on Johnson & Johnson's baby shampoo | NJ.com
seems like these guys will sell you anything right

seems to me quite strange to defend these company's so valiantly for some who challenge nowt in the line of government and big business
also if you care to look you will see if it weren't for Holland and Barrett's equivalents in the US there would be no Holland and Barrett
as the big pharma would have eradicated them in the first place without protest from the people and the company's themselves in the us

this has been done without any real debate or any sort of media attention here in Europe too

lastly i made a statement about codex alimentarius to show readers of the thread ...what the euro and WHO proposals were for alternative and herbal medicine and also of even saying that these things had medicinal value if you look in post 8

then answered johnyboy in post 17 of which the original thread author thanked me and did not disagree

then nara decides to stick his one line and quote of stupidity into the thread

all in all if they don't want to look at the evidence don't read the post and comment on stuff they know next to zero about simples
no argument from them just stubborn stupidity

[C64]

like that nara anyone who challenges "your" nonsense
yea your right on the button there well done an own goal there my friend

I mostly agree with your views on this subject snake, but the way you turn against members and start lashing out insults doesn't help your case.

Calm down and try not to post after you've had a few.

[zaphodbb]

please stop this guys, i only gave a bit of info bout a sore throat or ulcer cure shadys right if you dont like it just back off, why do we need to get political about every damn thing on dk lighten up get laid go have a beer ffs

[C64]

why do we need to get political about every damn thing on dk lighten up get laid go have a beer ffs

I'm advising people do the opposite.

[waken]

I have to admit to enjoying the posts by racin-snake. He makes a very strong argument for alternative medicines.

[Lainie]

i got to say im a bit sick and tired of threads turning into slagging matches between individuals. the majority of the forum dont want to read pish like that so please can you make personal arguments via pm's and stop trying to get people into "your gang" to slag people off.

its not big and its not nice.