Any welders ??

[thered]

could join a welding forum but i have faith in DK

i have a draper 1302T mig welder which i am useless at in thin guage steel i keep blowing holes

the reason i belive is partly due to it being gasless wire

i know it runs gas or no gas but i dont know how to set it up for gas any idea's please??

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[juan kerr]

Flux core wire in the gasless sets isn't very good for thin gauge steel. You would need to do overlapping tacks to create a seam rather than trying to do a full run.

[dik]

You need to change the wire to steel probably 0.6mm dependant on your tip size, there should be a pipe to connect gas to, if you are not going to use it much a disposable bottle will do, or get a larger bottle and regulator and connect it to the pipework, larger bottles are rent only, they cost me about ?4.50 a month and ?4 to refill, you can use co2 pub cylinders but I prefer argon/co2 mix. Never tried welding with a gas-less wire but if you are burning holes lower your amps and practice your technique, don't keep welding a long run, go on - off - on - off etc 1 or 2 seconds at a time, if you are welding to rusty car sills etc unless you get to shiny metal to weld to you will blow holes

[Chimaera]

gas is much easier m8 allows you to get that thin stuff sorted, find out what sort you need and hunt down some small bottles.

[torchy]

You will need to change the gun for a start you need a thin gas pipe running through your torch to shield the weld.Make sure you are using the correct welding spool for gasless welding or it will be lumpy and look black instead of a clean weld. turn the speed down and the amps up and as stated in a previous post don't try a continuous run on sheet steel it will blow holes in your metal.

[thered]

so this will do the trick then

MIG Welding Disposable gas kit c/w regulator and gas | eBay


im looking for a manual if anyone knows where i can get one for this mig

i will have a ggod luck around it tommorow cheers for the replys do i need to reverse polarity too ???

[thered]

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[Meat-Head]

bumpity bump

spamy ity spam.

thought changeing polaritrertitrery was for thick folks doing TIG welding.

My Murex Trades Mig 160 (BOTH of them - boast boast ?900+VAT when new in 1994 - both thrashed to death - but still work great)
They are fixed, neg to the ground pos is the arc.

[torchy]

What you have to bear in mind is. Is it really worth spending good money converting from gasless to gas, shop around and you will be able to buy a ready converted complete set for that price. To be honest gasless are not the best way forward you will be very disappointed by the results.
Mig Welder, Clarke 135TE turbo on eBay!

[thered]

What you have to bear in mind is. Is it really worth spending good money converting from gasless to gas, shop around and you will be able to buy a ready converted complete set for that price. To be honest gasless are not the best way forward you will be very disappointed by the results.
Mig Welder, Clarke 135TE turbo on eBay!

from what i can work out with wire and gas set up like i pictured earlier its going to be about ?50 i reckon that welder pictured will go for a lot more and it needs picking up but i see your point

spamy ity spam.

thought changeing polaritrertitrery was for thick folks doing TIG welding.

My Murex Trades Mig 160 (BOTH of them - boast boast ?900+VAT when new in 1994 - both thrashed to death - but still work great)
They are fixed, neg to the ground pos is the arc.

i am thick folk but i heard someone say somewhere i am sure that if you want to run on gas instead of gasless you need to reverse polarity



my problem is that im not good at welding in fact i have only tried it once with the welder i have and i blew a fair few holes in the hollow section i was welding


after reading on interweb it seems this is very common with gasless and i been advised to get gas


so should i just do lots of practice till i can use gasless wire or go gas??

or will it not make much difference which i use if im 5hit anyway ??

[Meat-Head]

Mig Welder, Clarke 135TE turbo on eBay!

ANY welder with the word 'TURBO' in the name is crap. Known fact.

Thread, best thing you can do, is rob a house, get the washing machine, cut a THIN angle grinder down the side, then spend the next few hours, trying to repair what you just did.

sometimes the paint is thicker than the metal, but this is good practise.

Ok it's a waste, but at least your 'job' won't look like a cock.

Is your job a one off or a permant welding hobby?

DO NOT use pub gas with nitrogen in it - it ruins the weld!

Then when you get a bit cocker, cut out a square, then weld back in, tack it down otherwise (my mistake as well) when you get to the other end, because of heat distortion the other end is up 6 inches

[torchy]

ANY welder with the word 'TURBO' in the name is crap. Known fact.

Thread, best thing you can do, is rob a house, get the washing machine, cut a THIN angle grinder down the side, then spend the next few hours, trying to repair what you just did.

sometimes the paint is thicker than the metal, but this is good practise.

Ok it's a waste, but at least your 'job' won't look like a cock.

Is your job a one off or a permant welding hobby?

DO NOT use pub gas with nitrogen in it - it ruins the weld!

Then when you get a bit cocker, cut out a square, then weld back in, tack it down otherwise (my mistake as well) when you get to the other end, because of heat distortion the other end is up 6 inches

Any welder with the name turbo after it is fan cooled and lets you use it for longer periods. Fact

[thered]

Is your job a one off or a permant welding hobby?

i bought the thing last year to do a repair to a trailer always fancied one just never got round to it

it did the job but it was a ~~~~in right mess to look at

its just something that i bought to keep in shed and use on the odd occasion when needed but i found it harder than expected

all i have tried to weld so far is hollow sectioned steel and i just keep making holes in it

i might take your advice though and get some 22 guage steel and try joining pieces together before i invest further i have some thick angle iron that i can run a bead down no problem

problem is when i use different to be honest though one of the main problem i have is i cant ~~~~in see what im doing my mask might be 5hit too

[Meat-Head]

Any welder with the name turbo after it is fan cooled and lets you use it for longer periods. Fact

OFF TOPIC:-

There is/was some dumbass that had a arc welder, it was shite, so when his shed got broke into, he told the insurancse compny it was nicked as well.

They replaced it with an idenctiacl model, 6 runs on angle, cuts out, plan was, one welder working one cooling, airline, fan, NOTHING would cool them down, the only thing we didn't do was to chuck bucket of water on them.

Must admit, would have been worth trying to put transformer in a bucket of chip fat

i might take your advice though and get some 22 guage steel and try joining pieces together before i invest further i have some thick angle iron that i can run a bead down no problem

problem is when i use different to be honest though one of the main problem i have is i cant ~~~~in see what im doing my mask might be 5hit too

You will find that thick people can weld thick bits of metal, all day, with no problem, give them a car and their ~~~~ed, to thin for them.

As for mask, although expensive to run i used a 150watt light to light up my work, and it worked fine.

Them varable welding masks are great, bit funny getting used to but like ?40 ish now, worth buying.

Meat

[Canker_Canison]

I picked up a gasless MIG many years ago for some jobs on my car.

It was a crash course in welding, but over the years it has saved me a fortune in repair bills. And I only set fire to one car.

Meaty is right about welding thick new metal. It really is easy.

A rusty 18 year old car is another world away. I ~~~~ing hate welding on iffy sills & arches. As previously mentioned, use short bursts so the metal doesn't heat up so much. After that it's all down to experiance.

I must be doing something right. A 'quick botch job' on my current car lasted 4 years before I had to look at it again.

Oh, if for any reason you end up using galvernised steel... expect a little spattering.
I've got bits of PC case sealing the inner arches to the sill ends. Strong as ~~~~, but it was a bit nasty at the time