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  • spondulick
    DK Veteran
    • Dec 2008
    • 677

    #1

    speed cams and foreign drivers

    just been done by local speedcam,now have to shell out 80 quid to save 3pts,noticed whilst booking speed awareness course there was no guidance for foreign drivers,ie press here for urdu ,polish romanian somalian ect. so did a bit of googling here's what i found..........It's a fundamental flaw in a system that relies on identification by registration plate.

    According to speedsafe.co.uk

    A foreign driver is let off a speeding ticket every six minutes in Britain because speed camera bosses can't be bothered to chase them up, shocking new figures have revealed.

    Tens of thousands of foreign drivers dodged a total of nearly ?5 million in speeding tickets last year.

    Police and the speed camera authorities are turning a blind eye to the overseas 'rogue' drivers and throwing their speeding tickets 'in the bin', they admit.

    In stark contrast to the police's zero-tolerance approach to any British drivers flashed for speeding - with a ?60 ticket popping through their letterbox - a foreign driver's speeding ticket is written-off on average every six minutes.

    This is because the offender is either driving a foreign registered vehicle - or is a foreigner behind the wheel of a UK registered car.

    The controversial 'cash for cameras' system gives them no financial incentive to track down the foreign motorists, who it is costly to chase up. So instead they ignore the rogue drivers who pose a danger on UK roads.

    In another twist, many foreign motorists are driving illegally with an invalid or expired driving licence.

    The huge influx of Eastern European workers from the enlarged EU is adding to the problem.

    The Government insists it is examining the loopholes. But the number of foreigners' scrapped speeding tickets has soared 25 per cent to almost 80,000 foreigners - representing lost income of ?4.8m.

    Last year an estimated ?3.8m was lost because foreign speeders were getting away with their offences.

    Worst place for the problem is London where 11,894 speeding foreign drivers escaped scot free. The captial was followed by Wiltshire and Swindon (5,202); Thames Valley (3,657); Greater Manchester (1,924); Bedfordshire and Luton (1,785) and Surrey (1,605).

    Critics say foreigners who speed on British roads almost always wriggle out of their punishment because the red-tape involved in tracking them down makes it too expensive to bother - effectively giving them a 'get out of jail free card.'

    On average up to two per cent of all speeding offences are committed by foreigners who get away without any penalty.

    By contrast, British tourists caught speeding on the Continent are much more likely to have to pay up because police across the European Union prefer on-the-spot fines to automatic cameras.

    New legislation in France means drivers can face a ?260 fine or face having their car impounded.

    But even foreign drivers of UK-registered cars get away without fines and points.

    The authorities decide it is complicated, costly and time consuming to chase foreigners back to their home country.

    The revelation sparked anger from UK motorists, who are chased through the courts by the authorities, and are becoming increasingly fed up with the 'cash cow' cameras.

    Britain has more that 6,000 speed camera sites and drivers paid ?114m in fines last year.

    The statistics have been revealed by 15 of the 38 speed camera safety partnerships who were asked about the foreign drivers loophole in a Freedom of Information survey.

    A manager for one of the speed camera partnerships said: "It is very difficult to get a name and address of a foreign registered vehicle.

    "Some foreign authorities are not very co-operative but the Government is supposed to be looking into the issue.

    "Even if we catch a foreign driver we can't give them a ?60 fine because they don't have a UK driving licence.

    "If the same foreign number plate keeps turning up we will try to track them down."

    The authorities can enter the number into the system so that the Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras can try to catch them.

    He added: "We often have foreign people who are caught in hire cars and it is very difficult to prosecute them, even though we have a name and address from the hire company.

    In the majority of cases, if we get a foreign number plate the ticket will just go straight in the bin.

    "It is a loophole that everybody wants to close but we need a Europewide if not a worldwide database or agreement put in place."

    The problems are the same with the London congestion charge. In the first two years of its operation more than 60,000 foreign registered cars got away without paying the fee.

    A spokesman for the AA said: "Drivers in the UK don't like the idea of foreign motorists getting away scot free - especially because British drivers in France get marched up to a cash machine if they are caught."

    Paul Smith of the road safety charity Safe Speed said: "The whole speed camera issue has become a ridiculous game of Monopoly - with foreign drivers using their 'get out of jail free' cards.

    "Speed cameras have become onerous, oppressive, distracting and above all hopelessly ineffective.

    "Loopholes in the system, such as this massive ?5m void, were inevitable." after reading this feel really pissed off us brit national are treated like shit whilst more often than not your foreign driver is getting off scott free....makes my ~~~~in blood boil.
  • scooby5555
    Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 73

    #2
    Add it to the other flaws in the system, the Govt opened the flood gates without even having systems in place to cope with the influx of people from other lands, its especially bad with the benfits system.

    This Govt is just interested in looking after its own interests not the countries, its not half as bad as the benefits tourist problem, we should advertise in all the overseas publications that the streets are paved with gold for all come and bend the UK over the table, hardworking folks will get F*** all, even those that come over and work hard from all lands get shafted, everyone employed from abroad or otherwise should be rewarded and encouraged and those screwing the system should be shafted.

    For some select criminal groups the latest craze is come to the UK and claim some benefits, benefits that people from the EU will be entitled to including instant job seekers allowance, run up a few debts, stage a few accident claims, do a few other things, get a little rich and head back.

    This is the Govt fault not the individuals, I am not of British origin but my parents worked bloody hard when they came, in fact 60+ and they still pay into the systems that others are ripping off.

    Sorry rant over...

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    • spondulick
      DK Veteran
      • Dec 2008
      • 677

      #3
      Energy Secretary Chris Huhne could be charged over speeding allegations within weeks after a newspaper yesterday agreed to hand over new evidence.

      Police are investigating claims Mr Huhne asked his former wife Vicky Pryce to take speeding penalty points on his behalf, which he says is ***8220;simply incorrect***8221;.

      The Sunday Times had resisted demands to produce potentially compromising emails, reportedly between Ms Pryce and its political editor, but yesterday dropped its High Court challenge.

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      The Crown Prosecution Service said: ***8220;We are pleased the appeal was withdrawn. We will consider the evidence carefully and reach a decision as soon as possible.***8221;

      The case relates to an incident in Essex in March 2003 in which Lib Dem Mr Huhne is alleged to have asked his then wife to take the rap.

      He says he welcomes the police investigation ***8220;to draw a line under the matter***8221;.can't see this twot getting what he deserves prison sentence would be norm, (perverting the course of justice).but what makes me think that this case will be found in his favour....watch this space!....note the date of offence for ~~~~s sake



      Read more: Chris Huhne may face speeding rap charges in weeks - mirror.co.uk

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      • Meat-Head
        V.I.P. Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 32000

        #4
        Originally posted by spondulick
        "If the same foreign number plate keeps turning up we will try to track them down."

        In the majority of cases, if we get a foreign number plate the ticket will just go straight in the bin.

        1) Try Aldi's or Lidils car park

        2) What you going to do - take their 1 Euro coin out the Lidil Trolley

        3) Untill a few years ago, if even an ambulace (with lights on) went through a speed camera, they got sent the ticket and had to 'claim it back/ ~~~~ it off' - now they just bi them - why even send a ticket to
        an ambulance staion - even if if not on a call!

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        • gmb45
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          • Nov 2008
          • 7538

          #5
          and i think, foreign drivers are allowed to driver over here for a year with out paying road tax, and what about insurance, is this checked ? i doubt it, and what about mots ?
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          • super jumbe
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            • Dec 2008
            • 11610

            #6
            You need international driving licence covers for 12 months and the border guards will not let any drivers without so called a green card, as proof of insurance overseas.

            Overseas cars/trucks do not need to pay road tax or do not need mot.

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            • lagerland
              V.I.P. Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 6031

              #7
              Just a thought dont drive so fast............
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              • rds60h
                DK Veteran
                • Nov 2008
                • 622

                #8
                Originally posted by super jumbe
                You need international driving licence covers for 12 months and the border guards will not let any drivers without so called a green card, as proof of insurance overseas.

                Overseas cars/trucks do not need to pay road tax or do not need mot.

                Then as soon as they are here they just cancel the insurance!!

                Just a thought, but if you get a speeding ticket what about claiming it has been issued on a racist basis so should be squashed ???

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                • johnboy1974
                  DK Veteran
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 3418

                  #9
                  The whole speeding justice system is surrounded by loopholes- A good traffic lawyer will get you off with almost anything, if the price is right.

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                  • bobwill
                    DK Veteran
                    • May 2009
                    • 525

                    #10
                    Labour flooded the country with people had not a clue who they were it has been estimated that at least 25% have a criminal record and anybody that complained they were call racist or bigot by the left wing tossers.Are local protuguese take there car back to portugal to have a test are mots are to hard to pass, to get away with insurance and licence they take a france trip leave tickets in car and say thats when they came to uk

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                    • SundayNightDriver
                      Junior Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 33

                      #11
                      One of the very few advantages of living in Germany: speeding ticket rates have not been changed since 1991 and thus have been eaten away by inflation to a good extent. Through conversion from DM to EUR even the absolute amount has become a bit lower.
                      21 km/h + 3 tolerance = 24 km/h too fast inside city limits = 35 EUR. Below 15: 25 EUR, below 10: 15.

                      IMHO the normal fees for driving a car =).

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                      • Johnner
                        Admin Assistant
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 7069

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SundayNightDriver
                        One of the very few advantages of living in Germany: speeding ticket rates have not been changed since 1991 and thus have been eaten away by inflation to a good extent. Through conversion from DM to EUR even the absolute amount has become a bit lower.
                        21 km/h + 3 tolerance = 24 km/h too fast inside city limits = 35 EUR. Below 15: 25 EUR, below 10: 15.

                        IMHO the normal fees for driving a car =).

                        Hang on a sec ! Am I right in saying that you can be done for driving too bloody slow ?
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                        • SundayNightDriver
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 33

                          #13
                          I was talking about exceeding the speed limit, but actually yes, you can if a patrol car catches you while you're crawling along.

                          There's a law saying that "motorized vehicles must not drive unnecessarily slow as to not impede the flow of traffic" or something along this.
                          Also, vehicles using expressways or highways must be able to go at least 61 km/h. That's why this is the top speed of even many heavy construction vehicles.
                          Last edited by SundayNightDriver; 28 January, 2012, 13:15.

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