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  • bonus2010
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    • Mar 2010
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    Germany social welfare ruling sees 'right' to social, cultural life

    Germany social welfare ruling sees 'right' to social, cultural life

    Last month a Germany social welfare ruling blocked entitlement reductions on the grounds that all citizens have a right to participate in social, cultural life.


    Frankfurt

    A landmark court ruling has opened a battle over what social welfare model the traditionally generous German state can offer, raising questions about the balance between human dignity and the need to balance the national books.

    Last month, the federal constitutional court said that a sweeping reform established five years ago to reduce what was then seen as an overburdened welfare system was unconstitutional. The reason: It failed to ensure its 6.7 million recipients, especially children, "a dignified minimum income" and give less privileged citizens a "minimum level of participation in social, cultural, and political life."

    The court gave Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition until year's end to create a better model. And it unleashed heated debate over the future of Germany's social model at a time when, from France to Greece, social unrest in Europe is widespread.

    "The court said that it's not enough to have food, clothes, and a roof ? people also have to be able to participate in society, otherwise they become outcasts," says Christoph Butterwegge, a poverty expert at the University of Cologne. "For the constitutional court to define social participation as a right, that's unprecedented."
    Controversial reforms spark lawsuit

    The controversial Hartz-IV reform has often been called Germany's boldest postwar welfare reform. It focused on pushing the jobless to find work more quickly, limiting the period during which people could collect unemployment. It was designed amid soaring unemployment ? and the financial pressures of absorbing Germany's ex-communist states and a European call to make the German economy more competitive.

    Some said it was a courageous step. But others condemned it as an attack on a quintessentially German principle of solidarity and social harmony, by spurring the rise of low-paying, precarious jobs.

    Two families ultimately took the government to court, saying that children's benefits were too low for them to survive financially. Hartz IV merged unemployment and welfare payments, with adults receiving a "basic security" lump sum of ?359 (about $490) monthly and children getting 60 to 80 percent of that. Their case went all the way to the Supreme Court ? and won.


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    On our news in UK we don't seem to get to know a lot about what's happening in other European countries. I found this article showing that Germany has also embarked on welfare cuts

    I'm wondering if I've got this right .... an adult receives 82.84 euros/week unemployed, but children between 60 to 80 percent of this amount...
  • Meat-Head
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    • Oct 2009
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    #2
    Originally posted by bonus2010
    The controversial Hartz-IV reform has often been called Germany's boldest postwar welfare reform. It focused on pushing the jobless to find work more quickly, limiting the period during which people could collect unemployment. It was designed amid soaring unemployment ***8211; and the financial pressures of absorbing Germany's ex-communist states and a European call to make the German economy more competitive.

    is there any spelling mistakes in there?

    so as we are in the EU will that happen here?

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    • PremierD
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      • Jun 2009
      • 13141

      #3
      No spelling Mistakes .. and a snowballs chance in Hades ...

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      • bonus2010
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        • Mar 2010
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        #4
        No, I don't think its an EU directive... it's a country's devolved power to determine welfare benefits within the EU, a bit like the local council office (sorry I meant to say Scottish Parliament's ) relationship with UK parliament. Still interesting how the Germans view the financial needs of children relative to adults, If Tory boy is elected next time there's probably a good chance the German's idea will copied here

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        • Snowy79
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          • Jan 2011
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          #5
          Making them work for their benefits could be classed as letting them paticipate in a social life. They'll have plenty of time whilst working to slag the politicians off thus giving them the political bit and if they mix with the locals they'll get the cultural bit. Simples.

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          • cdgcdg123
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            • Feb 2013
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            #6
            german social welfare

            Originally posted by Snowy79
            Making them work for their benefits could be classed as letting them paticipate in a social life. They'll have plenty of time whilst working to slag the politicians off thus giving them the political bit and if they mix with the locals they'll get the cultural bit. Simples.

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            • thered
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              • Aug 2008
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              #7
              Originally posted by bonus2010
              Germany social welfare ruling sees 'right' to social, cultural life

              Last month a Germany social welfare ruling blocked entitlement reductions on the grounds that all citizens have a right to participate in social, cultural life.


              Frankfurt

              A landmark court ruling has opened a battle over what social welfare model the traditionally generous German state can offer, raising questions about the balance between human dignity and the need to balance the national books.

              Last month, the federal constitutional court said that a sweeping reform established five years ago to reduce what was then seen as an overburdened welfare system was unconstitutional. The reason: It failed to ensure its 6.7 million recipients, especially children, "a dignified minimum income" and give less privileged citizens a "minimum level of participation in social, cultural, and political life."

              The court gave Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition until year's end to create a better model. And it unleashed heated debate over the future of Germany's social model at a time when, from France to Greece, social unrest in Europe is widespread.

              "The court said that it's not enough to have food, clothes, and a roof ? people also have to be able to participate in society, otherwise they become outcasts," says Christoph Butterwegge, a poverty expert at the University of Cologne. "For the constitutional court to define social participation as a right, that's unprecedented."
              Controversial reforms spark lawsuit

              The controversial Hartz-IV reform has often been called Germany's boldest postwar welfare reform. It focused on pushing the jobless to find work more quickly, limiting the period during which people could collect unemployment. It was designed amid soaring unemployment ? and the financial pressures of absorbing Germany's ex-communist states and a European call to make the German economy more competitive.

              Some said it was a courageous step. But others condemned it as an attack on a quintessentially German principle of solidarity and social harmony, by spurring the rise of low-paying, precarious jobs.

              Two families ultimately took the government to court, saying that children's benefits were too low for them to survive financially. Hartz IV merged unemployment and welfare payments, with adults receiving a "basic security" lump sum of ?359 (about $490) monthly and children getting 60 to 80 percent of that. Their case went all the way to the Supreme Court ? and won.


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              Code:
              http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/0322/Germany-social-welfare-ruling-sees-right-to-social-cultural-life
              On our news in UK we don't seem to get to know a lot about what's happening in other European countries. I found this article showing that Germany has also embarked on welfare cuts

              I'm wondering if I've got this right .... an adult receives 82.84 euros/week unemployed, but children between 60 to 80 percent of this amount...

              probably under 25s get less in uk roughly same amount i dont think under 18's are allowed to claim only hardship i think teenage mothers and things get income support

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              • thered
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                • Aug 2008
                • 4915

                #8
                Originally posted by Snowy79
                Making them work for their benefits could be classed as letting them paticipate in a social life. They'll have plenty of time whilst working to slag the politicians off thus giving them the political bit and if they mix with the locals they'll get the cultural bit. Simples.
                Good point there a lot of people on benefit do get secluded and depressed from having nothing to do

                Sometimes a lot of people just need a little coaxing into something they may enjoy


                Its an idea tbh instead of putting everyone litter picking for dole thats been mentioned why not get them out with sparkeys and plumbers mechanics ect as free labour then they are getting a life skill too

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                • firestorm
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                  • Jul 2008
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by thered
                  why not get them out with sparkeys and plumbers mechanics ect as free labour then they are getting a life skill too
                  They used to do this a lot it was called apprenticeships.
                  Where you would get some young lad or lass make them do all the shit jobs for you, take the piss out of them by sending them for stupid thing that dont exist.Learn them how to fill in betting slips,make a good brew and then pay them a pittance.
                  Ah good old days
                  If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine

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                  • thered
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                    • Aug 2008
                    • 4915

                    #10
                    Originally posted by firestorm
                    They used to do this a lot it was called apprenticeships.
                    Where you would get some young lad or lass make them do all the shit jobs for you, take the piss out of them by sending them for stupid thing that dont exist.Learn them how to fill in betting slips,make a good brew and then pay them a pittance.
                    Ah good old days
                    Skirting board ladders and long stands cant beat it


                    If it was structured properly with a day at college and industry recognised qualifications at the end it would probably get decent interest

                    It doesnt have to stop with trades either, problems a lot of the time come from the actual employer does he want to help and show the ropes or just take the pi55

                    but if governments are giving workers away for free instead of dole money im sure a lot of firms would be interested


                    It was YTS when i was younger ?30 a week ended up in a timber yard i learnt how to saw wood no qualifications no nothing

                    To make things work it needs structure and something at the end of it that can be used

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                    • bonus2010
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                      • Mar 2010
                      • 1962

                      #11
                      I was listening to an employer on the radio years ago who provided electrical services. He said one of the reasons why there are so few electrical apprentiships available nowadays is because the government withdrew funding for trainees to employers. I guess this is why UK has had to rely on skilled migrant workers.

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                      • firemouth
                        DK Veteran
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 410

                        #12
                        Originally posted by bonus2010
                        I was listening to an employer on the radio years ago who provided electrical services. He said one of the reasons why there are so few electrical apprentiships available nowadays is because the government withdrew funding for trainees to employers. I guess this is why UK has had to rely on skilled migrant workers.
                        The Thatcher gov of the 80's removed all apprenticeships in one go.
                        apart from destroying our manufacturing base she removed all benefits that had caused firms to keep it up.
                        it probably wouldn't have had much effect accept she then set off and tried to destroy state schooling.
                        and now the Torys, and others, moan about lack of a skills base.

                        Firemouth rules for life.
                        If it aint broke, don't fix it!
                        If its broke, fix it and use it again!
                        If it proper broke, use it for something else!

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                        • thered
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                          • Aug 2008
                          • 4915

                          #13
                          Originally posted by firemouth
                          The Thatcher gov of the 80's removed all apprenticeships in one go.
                          apart from destroying our manufacturing base she removed all benefits that had caused firms to keep it up.
                          it probably wouldn't have had much effect accept she then set off and tried to destroy state schooling.
                          and now the Torys, and others, moan about lack of a skills base.
                          there was still apprenticeships when i was younger 1992 they paid better than yts but were much harder to get which is why a lot of people ended up on YTS. It was cheaper too first year apprenticeships were usually around ?60-80 going up to about a hundred second year

                          I think a lot of employers took the yts route as it cost them nowt i dont think where if the took an apprentice they had to pay half or something similar

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                          • mickydibble
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                            • Nov 2008
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                            #14
                            my son is on an apprentiship, they are actually very good to him and his wage is pretty good but for the parents it isnt because they lose the benefits they used to get straight away then have to subsidise the child in other ways, lucnches , bus pass etcccccc..... government win again tossers...they dont even inform you either...then there was ema which was took away....the gov will take anyone's money....so long as its not the RICH!!!

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