can you be :-

[thered]

So what is the answer then

Only a reader of minds can give you the answer


Mrs Red claustrophobic when she wants me to go in loft doesnt seem to have it at other times

If you were claustrophobic would you buy a smart car?

Apart from a comedy show called game on from the 90's i have not once came accross anyone with genuine agroaphobia

people say they dont like social situations yet go to tesco

IMO they are names made up by doctors to describe the excuses people make for not doing things

I think there is lots of made up stuff nowadays bipolar is fashionable and adhd is another, sad disease ,depression

all very real unproveable sicknotes

Those that have them say people just dont understand how hard it is being me

I thought it was just life, the living, dying, health,illness bad times and good times everyone has them

[Elric]

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[tshirtman]

Apart from a comedy show called game on from the 90's i have not once came accross anyone with genuine agroaphobia

I've seen lots of people diagnosed with it, I've even seen people sectioned because of it.

it's a real mental illness, and it can destroy families.

@jg: yes you can suffer from both, they are a phobia or irrational fear, and you can suffer from several phobias at the same time,
they are not opposites of each other,

most people with Agoraphobia are actually fearful of mixing with other people in open spaces, (it's a lack of control)

the true meaning/translation of Agoraphobia, is "fear of the market place".

[thered]

I've seen lots of people diagnosed with it, I've even seen people sectioned because of it.

it's a real mental illness, and it can destroy families.

@jg: yes you can suffer from both, they are a phobia or irrational fear, and you can suffer from several phobias at the same time,
they are not opposites of each other,

most people with Agoraphobia are actually fearful of mixing with other people in open spaces, (it's a lack of control)

the true meaning/translation of Agoraphobia, is "fear of the market place".

Call me a cynic m8 cos thats what i am but i know a number of people who do a round in the pshcy ward for a few weeks just to get dla

When its time to fill in the forms again they have relapses

I understand that there is a new lines of jobs that cover all these things care workers need to justify job

But i think a great many mental health people are duped by there patients. I had one once

i come out of work i was pretty low tbh went to doctors said i wasnt sleeping good, asked me to fill in form, next thing i had crisis team out from hospital who work in the pschy ward

They came to check if i was ok, i shit meself i thought i was getting banged up i suppose its their job make sure i dont kill myself. i had them out everyday for a week checking up on me, they were ok and started to realise that i want a danger to myself. I could tell them anything they would believe it. It is their job nobody can prove or disprove.


After a few days and the quiet patronising voices they changed to normal people, they were quite good humoured and we had a bit of banter ,I still see one of them now just out and about.

One day when they come to visit one of them said i havent been in this road for a bit i used to go to a house over there. I asked which one she told me i said they moved out about a year ago.

She said she went to see the woman regular as she wouldnt go out really bad agrophobic and never ever left house. Until one day she turned up unannounced and caught her leaving house

The more we chatted she said she goes to house in this road one in thet road blah blah and you build a picture of all these people who you actually know or the daughter or wife knows them and you find they are all ok

It may not be everyone , and it may be genuine in some cases, but none of the ones i know are genuine and that includes the 3 that visit the nut ward

People have jobs to help, it needs justifying, im not saying it isnt real but i have no experience of anyone with real issues

They talk you have to believe what they say ,is it true?

Only mind reading will know


And if you think people wouldnt go that far for dla or mobility look at all the people who used to go to doctors with walking sticks , squealing when touched then after leaving going back to normal.

mental illness is the new bad back its unproveable and easy money

Then we have i know there are people like that but the ones i know are genuine

Maybe but the only person who knows for sure is the patient

[manxspud]

Wow that's a post red ... main thing that concerns me is the care workers telling you about other people they have visited ... thats a big no no and shows the quality of the workers themselves (yea i'm a mental health care worker)

Your right though ... Some do use it to avoid working ... saying that reading the local rag tonight and front page has a man i always thought was putting it on to claim been done for stalking a female taxi driver and sending her letters saying he was going to cut her throat ... used to play snooker with him years ago ... hard to tell with some and easier with others.

[thered]

Wow that's a post red ... main thing that concerns me is the care workers telling you about other people they have visited ... thats a big no no and shows the quality of the workers themselves (yea i'm a mental health care worker)

Your right though ... Some do use it to avoid working ... saying that reading the local rag tonight and front page has a man i always thought was putting it on to claim been done for stalking a female taxi driver and sending her letters saying he was going to cut her throat ... used to play snooker with him years ago ... hard to tell with some and easier with others.

Yes to be honest i think she opened up because she left she even asked if we still seen her and knew where she moved before she said anything, wanted to be safe i think before she started spilling

To be honest m8 people may think i dont know what im on about but i do have a lot of expereince with the supposed mentally ill.

I have even went with people to docs and one to one sessions because they need to feel safe. Much of the actual care workers i have come accross are actually people who had them themselves i lost count of the number who said they were the same, then they joined helping people it give them focus and then a job to get them through it, now they help

Like i said earlier there may be the genuine but its hard to see it when i see what i see.

Nobody can read minds and until that day you can never be sure what they really think.

The word is their bond, and if you are in care you have a duty whether dubious or not to try and help them just in case they do something stupid

[tshirtman]

Re: can you be :-

people in hospital would not qualify for DLA, as all there needs are already being met.
up until recently people detained under section only got the minimum benifit of ?15 a week.

I haven't worked in the community for a while, but I can tell you for sure, anyone detained in hospital aren't there to get more benefits.

[thered]

people in hospital would not qualify for DLA, as all there needs are already being met.
up until recently people detained under section only got the minimum benifit of ?15 a week.

I haven't worked in the community for a while, but I can tell you for sure, anyone detained in hospital aren't there to get more benefits.

not sure, just telling from what i know they just visit for a week or 3, You get dla for 4 weeks in hospital, not sure if they come round and collect or they hand themseleves in, i think they go hand themselves in, it helps when the claim comes in for renewal every 5 years or whatever. The people are not linked either they are not mates just scamming together

They come out and get high rate care as they apparantly need watching 24/7 prob low rate mobility

May sound a little extreme but one of them actually likes it he says its less hassle and his meals are free, each to their own eh


I will give him a ring and see how it works tomorow if anyones interested

[jordigirl]

you'd think it would be to much hassle to spend that time in a mental ward just to get money

a wasn't wanting to get into the in's and outs of what people do though,

just how can you be claustrophobic :- fear of lifts, small spaces, crowded places,
but
also agoraphobic :- like being in the middle of nowhere, or feeling to far away from home

just wondering

[thered]

just how can you be claustrophobic :- fear of lifts, small spaces, crowded places,
but
also agoraphobic :- like being in the middle of nowhere, or feeling to far away from home

just wondering

crowded places is more agorophobic i would have thought, most people who claim to have fear social situations like they cannot go to job centre or busy places

then they to shop or airport and get on plane


IMO

claustrophobia=agroaphobia=when it suits

[thered]

you'd think it would be to much hassle to spend that time in a mental ward just to get money

I had a chat with him today on phone, he said he voluntarial goes to hospital says he needs help feels like killing himself.

In a nutshell

They chat, admit him and give him bed and some calming medicine, he gets left to his own devices, nurse keeps an eye on him to make sure he comes to to no harm, they chat once maybe twice a day after that regarding his mood.

Usually he stays around a week maybe 2 depending on room,but he can go home on a weekend if they think he is ok too cope and has help around. He has not been for 3 years but says its not like how people imagine its pretty calm and relaxed you get nicely sedated and have good sleep. he said he actually feels better when he leaves. He is allowed phone and ipod although sometimes they charge it for him, in case he hangs himself i suppose.

He said there is the odd nutter but most people in there are actually ok just a bit out of it on tablets, and he also said its quite common to volunteer, some people do it for a change of scene peace and quiet ,better than being with wife and kids, some he said are like him. he reckoned if i went id go back its the first time thats the worst


dunno how i got to this from claustrophobic but hey ho

[alec]

Some people fear both, so if they think about it, makes it so.

[tshirtman]

Re: can you be :-

m8 there's something not right there,
if he admitted himself then he is informal and can leave the hospital at anytime he chooses,
if he needs permission to go home at weekends then he must be on a section, he will ask his doctor for some section 17 leave, and there will be conditions put on his home leave.
We can't keep people in hospital against there will unless they are on a detaining section,
otherwise we would be prosecuted for false imprisonment,

and yes psych units are usually very quiet, and peaceful, there nothing like most people imagine.

[thered]

m8 there's something not right there,
if he admitted himself then he is informal and can leave the hospital at anytime he chooses,
if he needs permission to go home at weekends then he must be on a section, he will ask his doctor for some section 17 leave, and there will be conditions put on his home leave.
We can't keep people in hospital against there will unless they are on a detaining section,
otherwise we would be prosecuted for false imprisonment,

and yes psych units are usually very quiet, and peaceful, there nothing like most people imagine.

I think because you volunteer as a danger to yourself by them admitting you they then have a duty of care to make sure you are going to be ok

Not sure about this only what i have been told but if you volunteer yourself i believe you then have the risk of being sectioned if the doctors deem you a risk to yourself or others

I dont know the full picture just picked up on what he said today he has been in about 8 times in the last 20 years