What next after the megapixel wars?

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  • firemouth
    DK Veteran
    • Sep 2008
    • 410

    #16
    Originally posted by on_the_jazz
    Wow I haven't heard the term 'ASA' used for a long time, you must be old school! (I mean that in a good way).
    I confess I've never tested film vs digital myself but as you say the average person isn't going to notice too much difference. Also the convenience of editing and printing your own photo's is going to tip the balance for most.
    They are making ccd sizes bigger these days (same number of megapixels but just a bigger ccd) so lets see if that makes it even closer.
    yep, too right. the vast majority will never notice. so why buy lenses of ?1000. when the best the camera can resolve, would be that if a ?200 one., then they save the image in JPG!! that's the thing, even Olympus see no point in conning people any more. until we can significantly increase quality. its little more than a con to keep producing new cameras( or cameras with ever increasing pixel counts).

    CCD's or CMOS will not get bigger. well that's not true. there are already large format CCD's. but these are useless as portable units. as a result 24x36 will be the biggest image sensor, to be placed in a 35mm equivalent camera. anything larger would require a totally new lens range including "lens mount". the lenses would be bigger and heavier, making autofocus a nightmare.

    I 100% agree on the editing front. digi wins hands down. but, also, Photography looses too. its no coincidence that photography, for the most part, is taught with print film still. the processes you go through to make a print. highlight the salient points of photography.
    try going to a "photography/camera" club. ask about, see how many people know how the figure of 18% relates to photography. actually the founding basis of capturing an image, even today.
    or asking them what film they think was used to shoot classic films like the Wizard of Oz or Gone with the Wind. again the answer leads to one of the founding principals of photography.
    even better, ask how many save their pictures in RAW format.
    these guys can talk me round any camera on sale today. yet few if any could take a shot of an aircraft (in the air) that is properly exposed and focused, with their multi hundred ? gear. yet it can be done with no problem with the same camera on manual, for both focus and exposure.( its quicker too)
    the above is not to show my vast knowledge of photography, indeed i have only mentioned above, things that any "self-respecting" camera owner should know before they take a shot. but too many dont.

    Firemouth rules for life.
    If it aint broke, don't fix it!
    If its broke, fix it and use it again!
    If it proper broke, use it for something else!

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    • MartDiamond
      Newbie
      • Jun 2009
      • 1

      #17
      RE

      Megapixels are irrelevant on a certain point, 7.0 I thought but I'm not sure

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      • firemouth
        DK Veteran
        • Sep 2008
        • 410

        #18
        Originally posted by MartDiamond
        Megapixels are irrelevant on a certain point, 7.0 I thought but I'm not sure
        indeed so. for compact cameras 5-7 is about the maximum worth buying. 12-18 for the larger format SLR's (and 18 only on an 24x36mm format). why? because the tech can not handle any more resolution, without excessive noise. its a classic case of "buy this now, don't worry. it will be as good as print soon". when the truth was very different. "buy this now, because we have decided its what we are going to make". and then. "oh sorry it will never be as good a quality as print"!

        now all this sounds like i think digi is not worth the effort. far from it, its made reasonable quality photographs avaliable to all. i use them myself. and have loved Photoshop and its trick since it moved on to the pc. but in terms of pure optical resolution, and improving the art of Photography, its taken us back 50 years.

        Firemouth rules for life.
        If it aint broke, don't fix it!
        If its broke, fix it and use it again!
        If it proper broke, use it for something else!

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        • on_the_jazz
          DK Veteran
          • Jul 2008
          • 557

          #19
          Originally posted by firemouth
          CCD's or CMOS will not get bigger. well that's not true. there are already large format CCD's. but these are useless as portable units. as a result 24x36 will be the biggest image sensor, to be placed in a 35mm equivalent camera.
          Leica Camera AG - S-System

          What happens on professional camera's, more often than not, filters down to the rest.

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          • firemouth
            DK Veteran
            • Sep 2008
            • 410

            #20
            Originally posted by on_the_jazz
            Leica Camera AG - S-System

            What happens on professional camera's, more often than not, filters down to the rest.
            24x36mm cameras are the professional" digi tool. if you want top quality. you still use film, as a pro. newspaper hack, don't need quality, and make up the bulk of "pro camera" sales.

            their is nothing coming down the line. they simply cant supply the resolution. we need new tech. I wont say its an, outright, con. because the move to digi was needed. both from environmental and practical reasons. but even the most expensive, mini format cameras (up to 24x36) fail at comparison with film. i'm talking "ultimate" quality here. very very few will ever use it. but the poor fools are still paying "top quality" prices for their lenses. even though there are no cameras(digi) that can resolve to that level. unfortunately, there has been a corresponding slide in (average) lens quality, with no adjustment in price, as digi took hold. honestly if you place a "modern DIGI" lens on an optical testing platform, they are pathetic, or would have been considered so 25 years ago. fortunately, for the manufacturers, the cameras are of such low resolution, nobody notices. quids in. charge a fortune for lenses, sell low quality lenses. and get away with it, coz nobody has a camera good enough to tell. CLASSIC!

            Firemouth rules for life.
            If it aint broke, don't fix it!
            If its broke, fix it and use it again!
            If it proper broke, use it for something else!

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            • spideyogie
              Newbie
              • Jun 2009
              • 2

              #21
              it will never end
              they will always found a way to make our stuff obsolete

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              • gmb45

                #22
                Originally posted by spideyogie
                it will never end
                they will always found a way to make our stuff obsolete
                welcome to dk m8

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