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  • gmb45

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    meet a benefit cheat


    IN a flat cap and football shirt, the 55-year-old man strolls through the city unaware his every movement is being tracked.

    Few would even notice him on his 90-minute tour of Durham?s cobbled streets, over the River Wear, into the bookies and up to the Job Centre.

    But this man claims his body is so racked with arthritis that he can only cover 40 metres in 11 minutes.

    Yet here he is, pacing around like a fairly fit and healthy man.

    Every week, he is handed ?49.10 in Disability Living Allowance plus ?18.65 in Lower Rate Care Allowance ? given to him because he says he is unable to cook himself a hot meal for fear his arthritic bones will cause him to fall in the kitchen.

    Add that figure to the ?91.80 weekly Jobseekers? Allowance he gets because, despite his health, he is still ?looking for work? and that adds up to a tidy ?159.55 per week.

    Today though, benefit fraud investigators on Operation Ramesses are watching him.

    Seven investigators are stationed around Durham, milling about like ordinary shoppers.

    One of them, dressed casually, could pass for a tourist filming the pretty scenery on his camcorder. What he is actually taping is video evidence showing the man?s walk.

    As the benefit claimant strides up Hallgarth Street towards the Job Centre, where he signs on every fortnight, another man on a nearby bench films him with a camera concealed in what looks like an ordinary bottle of pop.

    The investigation is ongoing and the man ? who has not been charged ? will be called in for questioning next week.

    Latest figures from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) show that around ?900million was claimed fraudulently in the UK in the year to September 2008. Of this, around ?200million is estimated to be fake disability claims. The most common fraud is for housing benefit.

    In 2007, 6,756 people were convicted for fiddling their benefits.

    It is impossible to say how many people in the UK are sponging off the system. But we do know the problem has been declining over the past decade.

    Such success can be partly attributed to TV adverts warning of the consequences of benefit fraud, as well as the BBC1 programme On The Fiddle, which exposes fakers.

    The vast majority of intelligence comes from anonymous calls to the National Benefit Fraud Hotline. It was a tip-off that led to the man in Durham being tailed.

    ?Often someone starts bragging about the amount they?re getting in benefits and that can really wind people up,? says an investigator named John, who must conceal his full name to do his job effectively.

    ?A woman phoned up recently who was so enraged at another person?s false claims, she was in tears.?

    Disability allowance is not means tested, so no matter how much money you earn or have in savings, you are entitled to benefit up to the age of 65.

    One of the problems for the fraud team is that people are awarded a ?lifetime award? and do not need to go through any kind of regular review to ensure they are claiming the right amount.

    ?In the 1990s, the benefit claim form only needed the person to get a friend or family member to verify what he or she was saying,? says John. ?Now they are required to have a doctor?s signature.

    ?Those people who are given a lifetime award ? because their disability is regarded as permanent ? are sent a letter every year informing them of how much their benefits will go up by and asking them to tell us of any change in circumstance. We suspect a lot of them just read the amount they?re going to get and then ignore the rest of the three-page letter explaining changes in circumstance.?

    The most common complaints listed by fakers are a bad back and arthritis.

    Following tip-offs, the investigators apply for permission from within the DWP to use surveillance. If granted, they have a three-month window in which to prove the person is making false claims.

    ?We try to get three positive observations over, say, a three or four-week period,? John explains. ?We can?t just watch them Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday because the person could argue that that had been a good week, when their disability was not affecting them as much.
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    ?Depending on what you?ve got after that first month, we may need to carry on surveillance or we may have enough to call the person in for interview.?

    As well as using the camcorder and hidden camera in the bottle, investigators have access to an array of equipment.

    Tiny hidden cameras can be disguised as shirt buttons, mobile phones or even key fobs. One car has been transformed into a Big Brother-style spy centre, equipped with cameras in the back headrests.

    The anti-fraud team even have a camera hidden in a coat hanger.

    But the supreme weapon is a white transit van kitted out with cameras.

    Inside the back, you really feel like you are on a secret mission. In front of you are three screens, one showing all four views from the front, back and either side of the van, and two others showing larger views.

    A remote control allows you to rotate the cameras and zoom in and out while a computer records the scenes on DVD.

    Once enough footage and surveillance has been collected, the investigators send the person a letter asking them to come in for an interview, under caution, and explains they have a right to legal representation.

    ?In the interview, a lot of people will hold their hands up and admit what they?ve done,? says John.

    Following the interview, evidence is sent to an independent decision maker who will advise on the course of action.

    If the amount the person has over-claimed is less than ?2,000 and they admit the offence, they may be given a caution.

    If they do not admit the offence, they may opt for an administrative penalty which is a fine of 30 per cent of the total amount fraudulently claimed.

    If the amount is more than ?2,000, the person may be prosecuted ? and if found guilty face up to five years in prison.

    Convicted fraudsters are also obliged to pay back all the overpaid money.

    A DWP spokesman says: ?Benefit fraud is at its lowest level ever, but we know there is more to be done.
  • Lainie
    V.I.P. Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 3062

    #2
    gmb you forgot my favourite - housing benefit and also council tax benefit. if he gets dla someone prob gets carers allowance for him and income support as you can claim income support when you get carers allowance and not need to work!! there are thousands and thousands like him. ive had a mother on the phone and she was getting over ?260 a week in benefits cause she said her 18 yr old son had adhd. she hadnt worked for nearly 20 years. she was going mental at me on the phone as her boy had been taken off dla etc now he was an adult. as none of her kids were under 12 she didnt qualify for income support anymore and had to claim jsa. she was absolutely raging. i actually found it quite amusing (though obv cant show it etc). she started to come away with all these excuses why she couldnt work one of which was "ive no experience so no one will employ me!"

    i deliberately gave her an appointment at her jobcentre at 9am so she needed to get out her scratcher .
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    • MetalKettle
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      • Sep 2008
      • 797

      #3
      Originally posted by Lainie
      gmb you forgot my favourite - housing benefit and also council tax benefit. if he gets dla someone prob gets carers allowance for him and income support as you can claim income support when you get carers allowance and not need to work!! there are thousands and thousands like him. ive had a mother on the phone and she was getting over ?260 a week in benefits cause she said her 18 yr old son had adhd. she hadnt worked for nearly 20 years. she was going mental at me on the phone as her boy had been taken off dla etc now he was an adult. as none of her kids were under 12 she didnt qualify for income support anymore and had to claim jsa. she was absolutely raging. i actually found it quite amusing (though obv cant show it etc). she started to come away with all these excuses why she couldnt work one of which was "ive no experience so no one will employ me!"

      i deliberately gave her an appointment at her jobcentre at 9am so she needed to get out her scratcher .
      This sort of thing makes me sick.. I have people living near me who have no intention of getting a job. Then there are people who are desperate for employment.

      I dont mind paying taxes etc to support people who are actively looking for work, put paying for someone to wonder round town all day really pi$$es me off.
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      • gmb45

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        Originally posted by Lainie
        gmb you forgot my favourite - housing benefit and also council tax benefit. if he gets dla someone prob gets carers allowance for him and income support as you can claim income support when you get carers allowance and not need to work!! there are thousands and thousands like him. ive had a mother on the phone and she was getting over ?260 a week in benefits cause she said her 18 yr old son had adhd. she hadnt worked for nearly 20 years. she was going mental at me on the phone as her boy had been taken off dla etc now he was an adult. as none of her kids were under 12 she didnt qualify for income support anymore and had to claim jsa. she was absolutely raging. i actually found it quite amusing (though obv cant show it etc). she started to come away with all these excuses why she couldnt work one of which was "ive no experience so no one will employ me!"

        i deliberately gave her an appointment at her jobcentre at 9am so she needed to get out her scratcher .
        yo lainie didnt know u could claim income support as well as carers allowance, im a carer for my missus as she has mental health probs cheers

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        • Lainie
          V.I.P. Member
          • Mar 2008
          • 3062

          #5
          Originally posted by gmb45
          yo lainie didnt know u could claim income support as well as carers allowance, im a carer for my missus as she has mental health probs cheers
          can only get it if you dont work and care for someone more than 30 hours (i think it is) a week.
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          • gmb45

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            Originally posted by Lainie
            can only get it if you dont work and care for someone more than 30 hours (i think it is) a week.
            care all the time m8 i do everything, and we in the process of moving at the mo so im all on at the mo

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            • chalky 4
              DK Veteran
              • Dec 2008
              • 288

              #7
              Lainie Be careful and make sure you cant be linked to your work place with your posts. In these grim days any excuse to sack you.

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              • chroma
                V.I.P. Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 1976

                #8
                Nah ive read over the majority of Lanies posts, shes not telling anyone anything that shouldnt be widely available from say the local Citizens Advice Beuro.
                Not that the government really wants you to know, most of the things i had my old man apply for where not widely advertised.

                My brother recently got made redundant and hes able to claim the upper limit for Carers allowance on account of my dad.
                Not that hes happy about it, hes still looking for work on a daily basis (sitting on his arse drives him mental like me) Frankly i talked my dad through everything and we've claimed for just about everything going. even a few grants (my old man lost a fair bit of weight from the chemo, so i made him apply for a couple of grand in clothing grants and the like)

                All said and done though my old man, mom, my brother and myself have been working solidly since leaving school and never claimed a thing in our lives Id say its entirely justified drawing back some hard earned taxes.

                Still soul destroying watching my old man who actively wants to work, even has a job sitting waiting for him, and is completely incapable of getting there and doing it
                Nothing prepares anyone for the mental assoult of Jeremy Kyle on daytime tv. That alone is reason enough to haul ass to work.
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                • Lainie
                  V.I.P. Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 3062

                  #9
                  all the info i have said is on direct.gov.uk web site - loads of info on it. i did some training with the cit advice last year when i was out of work but couldnt start with them as i got a job. was gutted as i really really enjoyed the work. however needs must as i have a mortgage like most people so gotta work.
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                  • maxi1968
                    DK Veteran
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 417

                    #10
                    benefits

                    well heres what happend to me,the otherside of the coin.i was on incapacity benefit for three years for a heart condition which i am still suffering from.i was sent for a medical and asked a lot of irrelevent questions and as i said i could answer a telephone i was cut off and advised there was no point in appealing.put onto jsa looking for work that i am no longer fit to do .the system is so clogged with cheats that honest folk like myself has to suffer.i have no sympathy for these people as they should be jailed.

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                    • Lainie
                      V.I.P. Member
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 3062

                      #11
                      no maxi you should appeal. anyone with a genuine medical condition should def appeal. go to your c.a.b, welfare rights or advice works if you have one abd get them to help you. they can declare you fit for work but you can go straight onto employment and support allowance (esa) while you appeal. get as much evidence for your appeal that you can. if i can help you in any way just pm me.

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                      • Mr Pumpy
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                        • Jan 2009
                        • 1467

                        #12
                        Everybodies got a story about how the system is being abused and how hard it is to get something from it when youve paid in to it for years on end.

                        Mrs Pumpy's got 3 brothers whom ive grown up with since i was 5 years old. Two of em are me best mates and are hard working people with families. The other brother (her twin) is a good for nothing scrounger with a chip on his shoulder who hasnt worked for 20 years.

                        Her older bro has just been made redundant, he's 44 and never been out of work. He's having to fight tooth and nail for a tiny bit of money to see him through until he finds another job, after all those years of paying in he struggling to make ends meet.

                        And then there's her nobhead twin who gets up at 2 in the afternoon, then watchers telly the rest of the day, no sorry he sometimes takes his washing for his elderly parents to do....and he's nearly bloody 40.
                        The system has totally given up on people like him, they just keep paying em to sit on their arses.

                        Me and her twin brother have had some right run ins over the years, I can't stand the man...... I'd best stop i'm getting on a good ol roll here.
                        I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I do not know the answer.

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