UK pirates 'will be cut off'

[benny/9]

i found this on a webuster and thought it
would be of interest and any of your views.

UK pirates 'will be cut off' | Latest technology , web news | Web User

[mes king]

just saw on the uk news on tv that the govermant are going to stop unlegal file sharing if your caught doing it your internet will be cut of as you mentioned in your post this also includes movies music and other file sharing stuff how many more laws are going to be put on us next i soppose it will be you cant play games from other countrys they said they want it done as soon as possible.

[darren221980]

The ISP's will soon be moaning when they lose most there customers,

[westkill]

how the ~~~~ they going to monitor millions of files downloaded every day

[Evilbert]

Excellent, Mandelson goes on holiday and enjoys some man love with a record company boss, now we suffer. Is there anyone not buying/getting favours from this corrupt government? Sorry rant over.

[alunfennell]

There is a team in Austria watching and Logging all Rapidshare Megadownload Bearshare etc across Europe ! this is were the Music / Movie Industry are getting your information releating to everyones downloads, Then the details are been handed to ISP's to pay for the outstanding copy right thus useing the IP addresses to locate the Downloader....

Its big brother watching Little brother ! all different industrys knew piracy would happen once the new age of digital consumer electronics, the groth of the internet and the open source to Information, software etc.

Its the Music / Movie / Game industry that seem the ones sore about what is happening, in there own best interest they should do better themselves to protect there sortware in the first palce ....

Surly the first person that can write a program where a Song a Game or Movie can only be share once after been bought will make million or Digital media that can not be shared other than the Pc, DVD etc firt installed on ...

They themselves need to do more to protect there products, and leave the internet a free palce to surf, work & Play

Regards:
Alun

[cunny]

I was once qoated off vm that if you download more than 1gb of data a day then you are running an illegal business, in other words your a pirate.

I dont think that this is going to stop pirates at all, could push it more underground and to more secure networks.

[ruudvandan]

According to UK copyright law you are legally allowed to back up any media that you have bought. However the films / software / music developers all put copy protection on their media, which prevents you from legally backing up your media. This is why I download files.

Another reason is to watch films I have already paid to see at the cinema. If I have paid to watch it then I see no reason not to be able to download it to watch it again. Similarly if I have bought a video on VHS, I don't see why I should have to pay for it again to get it on dvd or bluray.

I have downloaded several series of Little Britain. I have already paid for this through my TV license, why should I have to pay for it again?

Unfortunately the creative industry do not understand that we are not cash cows that can be continually milked. They are blinded from reality by the lure of money.

[firestorm]

if they have to technolgy to monitor all the file sharing why cant they do it with the pedofiles and stop them or is it because there not costing big companys money?

[billy2]

doing it here in ireland also

Eircom strikes out at music pirates - National News, Frontpage - Herald.ie

[alunfennell]

if they have to technolgy to monitor all the file sharing why cant they do it with the pedofiles and stop them or is it because there not costing big companys money?

Good Question,

But those sickos use a underground network to exchange there material plus the Sex industry as a hole (sorry the pun) ! is so big and extends from one end of the internet to to the other, there is no way that it can be monitored. I have been saying it for years get the ISP and Hosts to start getting ride of ~~~~ sites and the popups and clean up the internet..... and leave us Downloader alone !

When it comes to file sharing we use Rapidshare, megashare, Megaupload etc .. we are not that hard to find ..... they can Monitor all traffic to these sites and thats what they are doing.

One tip never pay for file sharing downloading as this is how they trace you back, once subscribed your details can bee passed around or sold on to the people dealing with this in the Music / Movie industry, this was noted by a lot of Bearshare and Limeware users......

Also a lot of people who use credit cards to pay for downloading are getting caught so to me a lot of these websites are passing on the information instead of paying there own fines impossed by any Music / movie industry watchdog...

Regards:
Alun

[chroma]

LOOOOOOOONG rant comming so be prepared.

It's never going to happen first of all. Anything suggesting otherwise is just scaremongering and speculation. The internet is viewed as a utility nowadays, in that cutting someone from the net is exactly the same as cutting off their power, gas or water.
The simple fact is that without the internet the world nowadays would grind to a complete halt.
I refer to the MS_Blaster worm a while back that took out most of the state of new york, Canadian air travel, water supplies, office buildings, traffic systems.
EVERYTHING is online nowadays, excluding someone from that would be a direct breach of several human rights. It would directly affect their ability to survive and conduct business in the modern world.
So yeah not going to happen, litmus tested in Northern Ireland and France and people litteraly went apeshit over the entire debacle.

PIRACY, i make no bones about it, under current legislation i am a pirate. ive bought a grand total of 3 CD's since 1996, i have around a Terabyte of audio. A vast bulk of which is considered illegal.
I do however go to gigs regularly and actively support bands im interested in, so the artists dont really lose out on much.

Music PREDATES THE SPOKEN WORD, ts been around since before man could fully speak, its in every culture and its been produced long before we had "LABELS" or the RIAA/BPI sue everyone culture.

Media piracy has long stretching roots in human development as a culture, the printing press was considered a diabolical machine and once burning people at the stake for making books was no longer an option the church placed a stranglehold on just what could be printed, piracy arose to curcumvent this method of control and books became largely black market possesions at a point, smuggled by pirates across borders (where censure differed) this beautifully illustrates the very human need to share.

Sharing is core to all of us, conversation is a sharing of words and minds, work is a sharing of effort, everything you do in your daily life will have an aspect of cooperation with another person or persons. Your brought up to share your toys with others. Its completely and entirely fundamental to development. Had humans not shared with each other we wouldnt have made it to the iron age. Society is founded on the ideal.
Sharing music however? DAS IST FORBODEN!
Any artist worth his salt would continue to make music regardless of whither there was money involved or not, noone successful gets in it for the payroll. Every artist just wants their song to be heard by as many people as possable, theyve created something and shared it with the world, why not continue the trend?

The only people even remotely worried about the monatary aspects of musical trades are greedy bastards who's primary objective in life is to sit on their ass and watch zeros stack in their bank balance. The parasites who appeared long after music was already globaly available for millenia, looking for get rich quick schemes. Slowly paying off lawmakers allong the way to secure their ability to continue to leech. The ones who will be left out in the cold with the paradigm shift of globalised media. Middlemen whom can produce nothing yet seem to reap the benifits of others.

Computers themselves started out by electronics enthusiasts who strung together a few components and made a box with flashing lights that did essentialy nothing till it had software running on it, this early software was completely free to everyone, clubs formed and groups actively traded each others wares to make their machines useful, again a practice thats frowned upon unless some middleman can scrape a profit out of the practice.

Exactly the same cries have been screamed during every major change of civilisation, always from fraudsters who knew deep down that they where completely useless and people where catching on.

EDIT:
As for monitoring, this has been happening for years, and throttled heavily by most ISP's. Its fairly simple to tell a p2p user on a network, they have heavy traffic on both download and upload and make up a handfull of users on a node, they have certain ports open and use certain protocols. Its not an intensive tak to detect a user, then its just a matter of tracking and sniffing packets of that small handfull of users to figure out exactly what theyre doing.

Paedophilia is much harder to detect, an image of some naked 12year old is completely indistingishable from any other photo at a network level. Images are traded via email, irc, websites etc so theres no real heavy traffic to flag them and no specific ports or protocols used to set bells ringing. So in effect to catch a paedophile at a network level you would have to check through every user.

[SANGER_A2]

There were lots of bits I agreed with in the post above (although I skimmed some of the bulk! ).

ISPs have been monitoring and stopping downloaders for years. My mate received loads of warning letters before he was scared off from downloading. All the ISPs have different policies. Some say zero downloading, some say "don't take the mick or be selfish).

I'm with TalkTalk and they are great. I'm not a heavy downloader anyway (1-2gb per week average on bittorrent), but I limit it to off-peak hours and use the limiting options built into utorrent to make sure my upload and download speeds don't go too high. Their policy basically says "if you download lots and lots we will throttle down your bandwidth as punishment". I've never had any issues at all.

I think that it's the people who download terabytes of data daily or actually upload the original files in the first place who are the ones to target. They are the ones hogging the bandwidth that the rest of us have to share and there's only so much video one person can watch!

[dik]

Don't use file-sharing programmes as the music, software & film people track what you are doing, instead download via usenet it's anonymous, fast (you can fill whatever bandwidth that you have available), no fake files and no sharing required (it's mainly the people who are sharing lots of files that they target) the downside is that you have to pay for access to a news server here is a link to the one I use
http://Usenet-News.net/?ref=78636
At the moment they charge $27 (approx ?16.50) for 200 gigs(to use whenever you want) great if you are not downloading constantly or they charge $19 per month for unlimited downloads. They also have a referer programme where whatever someone you refer buys they credit your account with 50% of what they bought, this way you may never need to buy more gigs yourself!!

[cgscott]

Think your paying over the odds for your downloads mate.

Look at this and it is unlimited download.

news.astraweb.com - Usenet News Server - $10/month

I easy pushing 400 gig a month.