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  • chroma
    V.I.P. Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 1976

    #1

    ID Cards. (overspill from the CCTV thread)

    So as not to entirely derail a thread i figured a new one was warranted on the subject of ID cards.

    Originally posted by Thomson
    whats the big deal though, ? if youve not done anything and you plan in not breaking the law ever, then why would anyone ever complain about id cards ?? they will pay for themselfs quickly once they help filter out all the criminals and the illegal imigrants, they should be made compulsory very soon as far as iam concerened, and by the way, ive not always been squeeky clean, LOL.

    anyway, we'r going off subject of the cctv...
    The big deal is that "wrong" is highly subjective, is it wrong if your gay? that you vote for a certain party, that you hold certain religious beliefs, that you have some kind of medical history, that your credit history isnt in perfect order?

    ID cards are merely a meta link to databases. Imagine a database that contains your biometric data, your fingerprints, your employment history, criminal record, medical history, financial history, religion, sexual orientation, voters data, links to any personal information like blogs and profiles online.
    THE WORKS. everything thats you on a card wide open to judgement from all and sundry, prospective employers for instance will demand to see your card before they employ you then rummage through everything thats you, most of which is not even remotely relevent to whiter you can perform the job or not. then pass a basis because your card has you tagged as a Catholic and the employers a member of a lodge.

    And once that hurdle is overcome you have all the information on everyone in a nice centralised location, which is nice for any criminal looking to profit from identity theft.
    Especialy considering how careful the government already is with what data they hold about you already, Labour has a lovely track record of keeping your best interests secure.

    The simple fact is ive been quoted ?500 to ?3000 for writing a virus for a friendly russian, depending on complexity criminal organisations will pay anyone large sums of money for access to the data that these cards are proposed to link to.
    He'll also sell me credit card details for ?300 for job lots of 100 + 30 free test cards to try before i throw down the cash on the initial 100.
    You could be anyone in the world and i can actualy get your details and spend all your money for as little as ?3 and this is todays prices, with the associated complexities of the work involved.
    Should your entire life become readily available at a nice easy location the job of these assholes becomes infinately easier.

    Thats only financial data, thats chump change, should the system go forward i could make a fortune selling someones history, data mining is where the real moneys at.
    Fancy running for politics? great that just means that i can markup your datas value, ive got access logs of all your transactions so that little trip you had to bali in 95 with that hotel where you used a psudonym? and look at this! it ties in nicely with that STD you saw the doctor for following your return! thats got to be worth something right? god forbid the public or your wife finds out youve been out philandering.

    Blackmail, Extortion, Blacklisting, all easily traded over the black market thanks to this system.

    Oh look Says here John Smith is a cop, hes also close to losing his house, has no family to support and his credit record is a shambles, the ideal candidate to approach to put on the payroll, he'll look the other way and take down some rivals.

    But never fear, the government has your safety and wellbeing at its core... yeah right.

    The simple fact is there are groups of individuals out there with the time, money and resources just waiting for all the data they can get.
    Want to wander into a high security building with a belt loaded with high explosives? For a fee of a couple of grand i can get you the ID card of whomever works there and you can wander straight in unquestioned to exterminate some infadels, a quick edit of their fingerprints and biometrics and your now whomever you want to be.

    The genius of data mning is you dont need guns, you dont need to risk walking into a bank, you dont need premises to set up a racket and you dont need to squeeze local business owners. The money is just sitting in the tree and best of all its completely risk free. You think criminal organisatins havent figured that out?

    With ID card system proposed by our government gaining widespread use i can become whomever i want to be to forward my agenda, all i need is a little cash and some questionable ethics.
    Best of all theres no way i can get caught, i'll just become someone else whilst you with your anused identity gets to sufer the consequences.
    He who laughs last thinks slowest.
  • badapple
    V.I.P. Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 2041

    #2
    I totally agree with you 100% Chroma. It doent matter how secure your security system is, if you have the money, resources and the will, you can obtain any information, stored anywhere.
    Remember that a machine is not like a human, who can see and think for itself, a computer only relies on password and information you feed into it. It dosent matter who you are, you only need the means to enter the system to obtain ALL the information you require. You could be sitting a thousand miles away and hack into any system to steal all the information you want.

    So lets just say that you have all your personal details, DNA, banking details and the rest of your life stored on your PC. All I need to do is gain access to your PC and I can steal your life!
    Gaining access to someones PC is not a major problem, especially with wireless networking being used all over the world.
    SLOWLY, OUR FREEDOM IS BEING ERASED.
    SOON, WE WILL JUST BE A NUMBER.
    IF WE DON'T FOLLOW, WE WILL BE ERASED.

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    • dctyper
      V.I.P. Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 2539

      #3
      they wont put everything on the database. maybe name address place of birth. you can be sure of that. tbh, i dont mind if they introduce them. i honestly think it could help in crime prevention. if you think its a bad idea!! what are you hiding eh?
      Wavefield Ds 55cm at 13E 19E and 28E receiving everything out there on 2 dm800hd

      previous life dm800hd and 500c on cable screw you nag3


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      • forntida
        DK Veteran
        • Feb 2009
        • 1281

        #4
        Don't forget the families that will split up when they realise who the father really is. In some places it will also let them know who the mothers are. It will put Jeremy Kyle out off a job.

        I don't really mind them if it will clear the streets of crime by tracing DNA. There is not much more information they need to get on you anyway. All these call centres, even some in this country, have your data at the entry of a post code.
        I can't wake up Grumpy now in case I am accused of Dwarfism

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        • dctyper
          V.I.P. Member
          • Jun 2008
          • 2539

          #5
          they wont put dna on it
          Wavefield Ds 55cm at 13E 19E and 28E receiving everything out there on 2 dm800hd

          previous life dm800hd and 500c on cable screw you nag3


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          • opsmonkey
            V.I.P. Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 5379

            #6
            as said in the other thread i carry a Military ID card with me at all times, i dont see a problem with it being rolled out to Joe Public

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            • dctyper
              V.I.P. Member
              • Jun 2008
              • 2539

              #7
              Originally posted by opsmonkey
              as said in the other thread i carry a Military ID card with me at all times, i dont see a problem with it being rolled out to Joe Public
              i used to have mine with me. the only personal data on it apart from your name is your blood type if i remember correctly
              Wavefield Ds 55cm at 13E 19E and 28E receiving everything out there on 2 dm800hd

              previous life dm800hd and 500c on cable screw you nag3


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              • forntida
                DK Veteran
                • Feb 2009
                • 1281

                #8
                Originally posted by dctyper
                they wont put dna on it
                They should. Would solve a lot of crimes.
                I can't wake up Grumpy now in case I am accused of Dwarfism

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                • dctyper
                  V.I.P. Member
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 2539

                  #9
                  dna is infact, not as certain as people may think. they cant always use dna as evidence. there are to many loopholes around the use of it nowadays. but thats another story
                  Wavefield Ds 55cm at 13E 19E and 28E receiving everything out there on 2 dm800hd

                  previous life dm800hd and 500c on cable screw you nag3


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                  • badapple
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 2041

                    #10
                    well anyway, my DNA is probably all fcuked by now, from all those chemicals floating around my bloodstream
                    SLOWLY, OUR FREEDOM IS BEING ERASED.
                    SOON, WE WILL JUST BE A NUMBER.
                    IF WE DON'T FOLLOW, WE WILL BE ERASED.

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                    • tommy t spanner
                      Junior Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 21

                      #11
                      Although i have nothing to hide from the authorities there is no way i would even consider buying an i.d card,as said already we already have photo id driving licence and passport,not needed,and would be against my and everone elses humanrights to make such thing mandatory

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                      • Toilet sniffer V
                        Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 72

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dctyper
                        they wont put everything on the database. maybe name address place of birth. you can be sure of that. tbh, i dont mind if they introduce them. i honestly think it could help in crime prevention. if you think its a bad idea!! what are you hiding eh?
                        I'm on an anti-terrorism and anti-drugs crusade at the moment. I'd like to come round your house and route through your drawers and personal belongings just to make sure you're not a junkie terrorist. Is this OK? After all you've got nothing to hide, have you?

                        See how easy you can take it from one to the other? How about, I value my privacy, you can't snoop on me and I won't pay to carry a card to prove I'm a British citizen. I'd rather go to prison.

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