White power hybrid theory.

[firemouth]

Anybody who thinks that we are all the same under the skin is pretty naive. If that was correct then we would all have the same skin colour. We have different bone structures etc.

the strange thing about humans is, that we are all so similar. the truth is, most of the differences are, only, skin deep. anyone who thinks any different, honestly, does not know what they are talking about. as for us having different bone structures? perhaps you need glasses. make sure they are black though, so they match your shirt.

[chroma]

the strange thing about humans is, that we are all so similar. the truth is, most of the differences are, only, skin deep. anyone who thinks any different, honestly, does not know what they are talking about. as for us having different bone structures? perhaps you need glasses. make sure they are black though, so they match your shirt.

Id have to say id agree with different races having different bones.
Id also dissagree that its a racist comment:
Say you found a skeleton burried at yor local park, you call the cops.
They call an anthropologist who comes along and retrieves them and just by looking can give you a somewhat accurate description of the age, gender, and race of the skeleton.
This would be impossible if everyone was the same underneath.
Different races also have slightly differing organ placements, thats not to say people have testicles where their kidneys should be (unless swimming in a loch in november) its not a radical difference but its noticable to doctors and surgeons.

Id dissagree that this makes any one race superior to the other though, the differences are slim enough only to be of any real consideration to experts ad the like, your average joe like myself couldnt tell you what kind of person the skeleton in the park belonged to, only that its there.

[on_the_jazz]

Id have to say id agree with different races having different bones.
Id also dissagree that its a racist comment:
Say you found a skeleton burried at yor local park, you call the cops.
They call an anthropologist who comes along and retrieves them and just by looking can give you a somewhat accurate description of the age, gender, and race of the skeleton.
This would be impossible if everyone was the same underneath.
Different races also have slightly differing organ placements, thats not to say people have testicles where their kidneys should be (unless swimming in a loch in november) its not a radical difference but its noticable to doctors and surgeons.

Firemouth was commenting on bone structure. The differences you're talking about are things based on the actual content of the bone. By simply looking at a skeleton you can't know its ethnicity for certain.

[forntida]

the strange thing about humans is, that we are all so similar. the truth is, most of the differences are, only, skin deep. anyone who thinks any different, honestly, does not know what they are talking about. as for us having different bone structures? perhaps you need glasses. make sure they are black though, so they match your shirt.

If you want to take that attitude that is your choice.
Do you ever see many black swimmers in the olympic games(Except the last one, you could hardly call him an olympic swimmer).
Could you with all your knowledge give me a valid reason for that fact.

I will give you my reasons other than looking up biology books. I have taught a lot of people to swim in my day. I have only failed with two people. Both brothers, who sank like a stone when the time was right to let them go alone. They were both white. Maybe the reason goes back a few generations of genes.

Read this example if you don't believe me.

Ethnic Variation in Bone Turnover in Pre- and Early Perimenopausal Women: Effects of Anthropometric and Lifestyle Factors -- Finkelstein et al. 87 (7): 3051 -- Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism

Here is an extract from a carribean african forum;

Black people dont make very good swimmer at compitition levels because our bones are too heavy and we tend to sink. It is scientific fact. Our bones are denser that the average white person. This does no mean that we cant swim or make good swimmers, it is just that our bodies were not make for that.

black swimmers - The BN Village

[chroma]

Firemouth was commenting on bone structure. The differences you're talking about are things based on the actual content of the bone. By simply looking at a skeleton you can't know its ethnicity for certain.

Sure you can, jawbones are set differently depending on race as are pelvic bones, femur and humerus lengths differ according to climate, for instance people in northern africa typicaly have longer legs and arms as opposed to say inuit's way up north where heat dissipation becomes fatal.
Limb length in ancient and modern Egyptians, compared. Mathilda’s Anthropology Blog.

Craniums also differ from race, you can measure fixed points say between the ocular sockets, upper jaw and nose and determine to a large degree the race of a persons remains, although the further back in time the less aparent this becomes.

Craniometry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

theres even a race calculater based on the same measurements found here: Racial Analysis Calculator

Theres a wide variety of structural differences between different races that are clearly visable.

[forntida]

Sure you can, jawbones are set differently depending on race as are pelvic bones, femur and humerus lengths differ according to climate, for instance people in northern africa typicaly have longer legs and arms as opposed to say inuit's way up north where heat dissipation becomes fatal.
Limb length in ancient and modern Egyptians, compared. Mathilda?s Anthropology Blog.

Craniums also differ from race, you can measure fixed points say between the ocular sockets, upper jaw and nose and determine to a large degree the race of a persons remains, although the further back in time the less aparent this becomes.

Craniometry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

theres even a race calculater based on the same measurements found here: Racial Analysis Calculator

Theres a wide variety of structural differences between different races that are clearly visable.

Facts are not accepted by either side in a racial debate. You should know better. Go stand in the corner.

[on_the_jazz]

Sure you can, jawbones are set differently depending on race as are pelvic bones, femur and humerus lengths differ according to climate, for instance people in northern africa typicaly have longer legs and arms as opposed to say inuit's way up north where heat dissipation becomes fatal.
Limb length in ancient and modern Egyptians, compared. Mathilda’s Anthropology Blog.

Craniums also differ from race, you can measure fixed points say between the ocular sockets, upper jaw and nose and determine to a large degree the race of a persons remains, although the further back in time the less aparent this becomes.

Craniometry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

theres even a race calculater based on the same measurements found here: Racial Analysis Calculator

Theres a wide variety of structural differences between different races that are clearly visable.

The anthropology angle was given on the race and intelligence program on C4 too.

Lets go through the links:

The first one concluded that malnutrition was responsible for the differences in limb length. You'd have to see if a different ethnic group had similar reactions to malnutrition to conclude it is an accurate way to judge race.

The second link was a good one and lead me to reading up on some things I had not seen before.

There are still a few questions though. Although most sites state there are differences in African and European skulls there seem to be exceptions (eg. Ethiopian skulls fall into the European measurement catagory even though they are African). Would the crime scene guy say "Yes at first glance he's white... or maybe Ethiopian"? (there are other exceptions too but the Ethiopian one was most obvious).

Whether these changes are through breeding or environment, wouldn't they be applying less and less, ie. people of different ethnic origins all living together in Europe and eradication of malnutrition (you'd hope anyway). So would it be fair to say its going to be impossible to tell after a few thousand years?

Facts are not accepted by either side in a racial debate. You should know better. Go stand in the corner.

Actually, if you look in all the other threads I've only stuck to the facts. Everytime I've asked someone to back up something they've said they haven't. Chroma, on the other hand, has politely shown me evidence to back up what he said and, most importantly, it was from a reliable source; therefore I thanked him and accepted it.

[chroma]

Facts are not accepted by either side in a racial debate. You should know better. Go stand in the corner.

Do i get my very own pointy hat with a big D on it?

Its hard to stay impartial when the subject gets so many backs up, that being said i think race is an interesting subject.

I mean to me its a hurdle the size of a kerb, but to other people it seems more difficult to get over than flying people to the moon.

I just find it interesting that even though whilst behind a keyboard talking to people throughout the globe and having a true meritocracy for once ,that racsm is still alive and kicking.

I can kind of get my head around it happening before the internet, before which people saw mirror images in their communities on a regular basis and persecuted anyone who entered who was different, a kind of fear of the unknown deal. but nowadays i cant figure out what the problem is.

Even catching that channnel 4 doc about race and intelect blew my mind.

Just seems that nowadays its the same old petty small town mentality unleashed on a global scale.

[zak101]

Interbreeding

Yes great idea ! ! ! I would like to hear from anyone on here who`s had a muslim bird ? SHUUUUUU

[forntida]

Do i get my very own pointy hat with a big D on it?

The pointed hat would not be a good idea in a debate like this.

IMO this thread has run it's course. Some of the arguments are becoming like politics, when you are losing the argument, base your argument on a pedantic issue. I stand by my original statement races are different

I don't see any links to back up the argument otherwise. I generally don't have web links, I get my information from old fashioned reading. My main link is here, just an arms length away from where I am sitting;


Another more important issue.I am not a racist because I point out these differences.
I am not going to be called a blackshirt by anybody so I have no option but to make my departure. It has been an enjoyable but short stay.

[thered]

I was watching Question Time with Nick Griffin getting tore a new one which was enjoyable.

Anyway a point was made about his stance on interracial marriage and his view on it (to which there was no clear cut answer, but thats beside the point)

It got me thinking and blew my mind off into a spiraling tangent as i watched helplessly as the programme tuned out as my brain overpowered everything else.

I take it that the BNP are opposed to interracial marriage or else he would have publicly stated he was all for it the same as everyone else on the panel.

That the white british race should be "purified" or some other nonsense, which got me to thinking of nazi policies and skinheads and racial hate groups in general terms.

I got to thinking that the logic is terribly flawed from a purely scientific standpoint.
I mean everyone knows incest is illegal, that even if your in the american "deep south" that having a kid with your sister is generaly not the best policy regarding reproduction.

This is for several reasons, not least of which is increased possibility of genetic anomaly and radical mutation, anywhere from simple webbed hands and feet to toes growing out your forehead.
It produces poor results.

This being said by looking just west of Equador to the Galapagos isles Darwin effectively stumbled upon the evoloutionary theory. Things on one island where sort of related but radicaly different from spieces on another.
Things got diverse over a few centuries of cross breeding, mutations occured that actualy BENIFITED each individual speices.

Moving on from that and what we already know about having children with siblings, doesnt it make more sense that interracial breeding should be actively encouraged?

Take black skin for instance, its scientificaly awesome! Having darker skin makes you more resilient to skin cancer produced by UV Radiation (thats harsh sunlight for you kids in the back) it also protects protect Folic Acid (Vitamin B9) from destuction.

Low folic acid causes a wide array of problems including premature birth, weight loss, irritability, heart problems, behavioral disorders, sore tongue, headaches and so forth.
Essentialy if you have no folic acid you become an irritated, headcase with a sore head whose likely to develop some kind of pregnancy problem.

White skin protects from a deficiency in vitamin D, which causes colon tumours, softer bones (from bad mineralisation) kidney and liver problems and the like.

Now moving on, the climate is apparently changing, the ozone is burning out, greenhouse gasses are building up and the apocalypse is neigh, hell fire and brimestone with lakes of sulphur are truly upon us, if the media holds any truth.

The OZONE essentialy acts as a barrier for UV Radiation, so once its gone all us "superior" white folks are going to shrivel up, develop tumours and keel over... possibly why the KKK wear the heavy frocks and hoods (maybe theyre not quite as stupid as theyre letting on)

So lets see, thus far from a carpet ban on getting jiggy with anyone not of the "supreme" race weve so far got children that survive a difficult pregnancy term comming out with toes on their foreheads, only to rapidly die of skin cancer.
Being superior is great thus far.
The ones that do survive will be clearly insane... with major headaches, which is all well and good cause they wont moan from their tongues being too sore to effectively communicate

Now take eyes, central and easter asian eyes are "slanted" this effect is produced by epicanthic folds.
The reason behind this is widely accepted to be that the extra fatty tissue caused a desirable effect in arctic conditions... namely that the eye didnt freeze and therefore made sure you didnt go completely blind and wind up as a large component in a polar bears shit.

It means that the eye is more readily able to regulate temperature and not impair vision, its pretty amazing really and ensured that again the birthrate went up where the superior white devil would more than likely have become brown stuff out the back of a bear.

Clearly a desireable trait for the benifit of humanity.
I guess what im really getting at is that you can pick any race of people and they will have some kind of benifit that allowed them to survive where everyone else would have died.

So why the hell would anyone want to prevent these genetic marvels from being passed on to their kids? Seems to me like all these white power folks want their childrens lives to be cruel, harsh and horribly disfigured, and i really cant fathom the merit in that.

Besides sex is highly enjoyable, everyone wants to be getting as much of it as they possibly can. seems insane to limit the chances of gettin it to a single race of people when you could multiply your chances by a few orders of magnitude if you can et past some strance preconcieved notion that because someones "different" theyre somehow unworthy or getting it on.

By interbreeding you effectively promote positive changes to EVERY RACE you perform it with, weakness automaticaly gets dropped out of the system, and eventaly the entire concept of "race" becomes pointless as theres no longer any real individuals to single out... well apart from the crazy klan folk with the double action hoods to hide the forhead-toes and protect them from certain cancer, but they cant really say much by this point due to their problematic (although highly superior) tongues.
Look on the bright side klansmen, you wont get rickets from a lack of vitimin D like deyum dere queer folks.

By combining chinese, european and african genes we could have kids with benefits to both light and dark skin combined (so no more vitimin deficiencies or cancer) and eyes that can better regulate temperatures in extremes of hot and cold climates. IDEAL for the harsh world the media fortells of tommorow. After all isnt it every parents dream to have a healthy happy kid whose immune to a major slice of the worlds problems?

I cant be the only one to see the maddness of the entire "purity" concept can i?

very nicely put and possibly very true i would just compare us with dogs for simplicity and say a cross bred dog is a much more healthy dog than a pedigree and in essence it is the same thing

[firemouth]

Sure you can, jawbones are set differently depending on race as are pelvic bones, femur and humerus lengths differ according to climate, for instance people in northern africa typicaly have longer legs and arms as opposed to say inuit's way up north where heat dissipation becomes fatal.
Limb length in ancient and modern Egyptians, compared. Mathilda?s Anthropology Blog.

Craniums also differ from race, you can measure fixed points say between the ocular sockets, upper jaw and nose and determine to a large degree the race of a persons remains, although the further back in time the less aparent this becomes.

Craniometry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

theres even a race calculater based on the same measurements found here: Racial Analysis Calculator

Theres a wide variety of structural differences between different races that are clearly visable.

all products of environment. indeed, all the differences you note, appear is ALL the variants of human. they are just more concentrated in people from specific areas. to say bone structure is "specific" to a portion of the race. it would need to be absent from all others. none of the points you make are. not all humans, of any race, can be guaranteed to have the same number of bones even.

there is no FACTUAL basis for the claim that humans have differing bone structure.
some people just like to feel superior, spinning crap like this, seems to help them. lost cause if you ask me.
same goes for the $hite about blacks having a lower IQ than East Asians and Europeans. (which, for those too dumb to work it out, turns out to be wrong anyway)elitist crap, peddled by the desperate, for the neuronically challenged. or, more accurately, Right wing propaganda, for the die hard black shirt.

[chroma]

all products of environment. indeed, all the differences you note, appear is ALL the variants of human. they are just more concentrated in people from specific areas. to say bone structure is "specific" to a portion of the race. it would need to be absent from all others. none of the points you make are. not all humans, of any race, can be guaranteed to have the same number of bones even.

there is no FACTUAL basis for the claim that humans have differing bone structure.
some people just like to feel superior, spinning crap like this, seems to help them. lost cause if you ask me.
same goes for the $hite about blacks having a lower IQ than East Asians and Europeans. (which, for those too dumb to work it out, turns out to be wrong anyway)elitist crap, peddled by the desperate, for the neuronically challenged. or, more accurately, Right wing propaganda, for the die hard black shirt.

The IQ thing turns out to be very accurate, its based on racism over the actual race though.

Take the apartheid, white people in south africa did indeed poses a higher iq than black people from south africa.

This is not to say that black people are inherently less intelligent, merely that there where far more education establishments that specificaly prohibited black people from attending.

Its hard to up your IQ when your forced into sleeping in a slum and spend the day foraging for food as apposed to waking up safe and sound and going to school.

And if you look at east asians, theyre entire culture is geared towards power through knowledge and confucian doctrine.
Attending a nice school is akin to attending a nice church over here.

The differences in IQ are more a historicaly cultural side effect than any inherrent limits to a particular race.

[on_the_jazz]

Is It Better to Be Mixed Race? - 4oD - Channel 4

Race and Intelligence: Science's Last Taboo - Channel 4