dolpins being murdered

[maxi1968]

saw an interesting piece of news the other night.japanese fishermen savagelly killing dolphins.they hearded them with nets then proceded stab them to death.horrific and cruel .thease people should themselves be throwen into the sea at the most shark infested waters on the planet for our entertainment.

[davieboy.rfc]

were the ~~~~ is greenpeace when need them,the japs need to quit killin everything.

[patkins]

Some images in life are barbaric but if it is a cull to cut down the numbers of dolphins then it may be something that has to be done. Although I worked for these people in the past and they seemed to enjoy eating raw squid.

[thered]

i dont think there would be the same uproar if it was a cod or a tuna strange how some people think its ok to kill one animal like say a chicken but think eating a bunny for instance is disgusting

they are all living creatures and id eat them all

we ate our dog (it died) when i was a kid it tasted like chicken it was ok and better than burying it i promised the wife id eat her too if she died before me ~~~~ paying for funerals

hmm im kinda hungry now

[Cronus]

Some images in life are barbaric but if it is a cull to cut down the numbers of dolphins then it may be something that has to be done. Although I worked for these people in the past and they seemed to enjoy eating raw squid.

Its not a cull. Its an annual dolphin 'tradition' in the town of Taiji.
Many Japanese believe dolphins should be treated like fish. They have been hunting dolphins for centuries and see any criticism of this as an attack on their culture.

Well here is a criticism...you sick ~~~~ers. Leave them alone.
Nothing to do with a cull on numbers,thats utter rubbish. They are herded into a cove and killed. Water covers 75% of this planet,what gives these idiots the right to say there are too many of them? We live on land,they live in the sea. Are they a threat?
These sick ~~~~ers only want to eat them and nothing more. Same with whales,no need to hunt them to extinction either but they do it anyway.

Sorry about the language but I'm passionate about this kind of thing and it annoys the shit out of me.

[Cronus]

i dont think there would be the same uproar if it was a cod or a tuna strange how some people think its ok to kill one animal like say a chicken but think eating a bunny for instance is disgusting

they are all living creatures and id eat them all

Dolphins have been declared the world?s second most intelligent creatures after humans, with scientists suggesting they are so bright that they should be treated as ?non-human persons?.
Studies into dolphin behaviour have highlighted how similar their communications are to those of humans and that they are brighter than chimpanzees. These have been backed up by anatomical research showing that dolphin brains have many key features associated with high intelligence.
The researchers argue that their work shows it is morally unacceptable to keep such intelligent animals in amusement parks or to kill them for food or by accident when fishing. Some 300,000 whales, dolphins and porpoises die in this way each year.
?Many dolphin brains are larger than our own and second in mass only to the human brain when corrected for body size,? said Lori Marino, a zoologist at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, who has used magnetic resonance imaging scans to map the brains of dolphin species and compare them with those of primates.

?The neuroanatomy suggests psychological continuity between humans and dolphins and has profound implications for the ethics of human-dolphin interactions,? she added.
Dolphins have long been recognised as among the most intelligent of animals but many researchers had placed them below chimps, which some studies have found can reach the intelligence levels of three-year-old children. Recently, however, a series of behavioural studies has suggested that dolphins, especially species such as the bottlenose, could be the brighter of the two. The studies show how dolphins have distinct personalities, a strong sense of self and can think about the future.
It has also become clear that they are ?cultural? animals, meaning that new types of behaviour can quickly be picked up by one dolphin from another.
In one study, Diana Reiss, professor of psychology at Hunter College, City University of New York, showed that bottlenose dolphins could recognise themselves in a mirror and use it to inspect various parts of their bodies, an ability that had been thought limited to humans and great apes.
In another, she found that captive animals also had the ability to learn a rudimentary symbol-based language.
Other research has shown dolphins can solve difficult problems, while those living in the wild co-operate in ways that imply complex social structures and a high level of emotional sophistication.
In one recent case, a dolphin rescued from the wild was taught to tail-walk while recuperating for three weeks in a dolphinarium in Australia.
After she was released, scientists were astonished to see the trick spreading among wild dolphins who had learnt it from the former captive.
There are many similar examples, such as the way dolphins living off Western Australia learnt to hold sponges over their snouts to protect themselves when searching for spiny fish on the ocean floor.
Such observations, along with others showing, for example, how dolphins could co-operate with military precision to round up shoals of fish to eat, have prompted questions about the brain structures that must underlie them.
Size is only one factor. Researchers have found that brain size varies hugely from around 7oz for smaller cetacean species such as the Ganges River dolphin to more than 19lb for sperm whales, whose brains are the largest on the planet. Human brains, by contrast, range from 2lb-4lb, while a chimp?s brain is about 12oz.
When it comes to intelligence, however, brain size is less important than its size relative to the body.
What Marino and her colleagues found was that the cerebral cortex and neocortex of bottlenose dolphins were so large that ?the anatomical ratios that assess cognitive capacity place it second only to the human brain?. They also found that the brain cortex of dolphins such as the bottlenose had the same convoluted folds that are strongly linked with human intelligence.
Such folds increase the volume of the cortex and the ability of brain cells to interconnect with each other. ?Despite evolving along a different neuroanatomical trajectory to humans, cetacean brains have several features that are correlated with complex intelligence,? Marino said.
Marino and Reiss will present their findings at a conference in San Diego, California, next month, concluding that the new evidence about dolphin intelligence makes it morally repugnant to mistreat them.
Thomas White, professor of ethics at Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, who has written a series of academic studies suggesting dolphins should have rights, will speak at the same conference.
?The scientific research . . . suggests that dolphins are ?non-human persons? who qualify for moral standing as individuals,? he said.


Its called a 'civilised society' and obviously you are up there with the chimps. Ape-man!

[MrDee]

saw an interesting piece of news the other night.japanese fishermen savagelly killing dolphins.they hearded them with nets then proceded stab them to death.horrific and cruel .thease people should themselves be throwen into the sea at the most shark infested waters on the planet for our entertainment.

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[chroma]

Look at all these disgusting roundeyes killing all these cows, pigs, sheep, goats, chickens, deer, cabbages etc.

I never ever see the point of these discussions, i mean i kill a lot on a daily basis to keep me fed, i dont happen to see the point of drawing a line between its ok to kill a cow but aaaaawwwww doggie is teh cute and therefore is above being eaten.

If its even remotely eddible then its on my shitlist quite frankly, i know without a shaddow of a doubt that given the choice between starving and going full blown Alexander Pierce id happily take an axe to my fellow inmates chest and get down to eating his forearms.

The western world with all its prepackaged shelf ready steaks is in no place to pass judgement on anyone.
Untill youve been out and actualy killed an animal, bled it, cleaned and skinned it then butchered it, your in no real position to have a valid opinion.

If the supermarkets all closed tommorow the western world in its ivory tower built upon lofty moral highground would rapidly get a reality check.

I work in a shop and i dump on average 2 ton of meat a week, thats dead animal carcass that no one wants straight in the compactor, a few hundred animals a week wasted. Wheres the justice in that?
Then theres the conditions the animals where raised in, do you realise just how much it costs to raise a REAL animal for salughter?
The only way to drive the costs down enough is to feed them absoloute junk and pack as many into a square foot as you can, knee deep in their own shit and dead comrades. All to produce a kilo of filet for under a fiver.
All the offal like hearts, lungs, stomachs etc all go in the bin cause no one "Civilised" wants to eat that shit.

Dolphin in the very least is saught after and expensive so atleast none of it goes to waste, and they get to swim around in comparative freedom for a while before getting slaughtered, if anything id say the Japs have the right idea.

As for the "intellect" argument its a non starter from the gate. Like i already said if i was hungry enough id eat anyone of you on here in a heartbeat and im damned certain everyone else would do the same, the vast majority of people on here are certainly smarter than your average Dolphin.

[Bulld0g]

Look at all these disgusting roundeyes killing all these cows, pigs, sheep, goats, chickens, deer, cabbages etc.

I never ever see the point of these discussions, i mean i kill a lot on a daily basis to keep me fed, i dont happen to see the point of drawing a line between its ok to kill a cow but aaaaawwwww doggie is teh cute and therefore is above being eaten.

If its even remotely eddible then its on my shitlist quite frankly, i know without a shaddow of a doubt that given the choice between starving and going full blown Alexander Pierce id happily take an axe to my fellow inmates chest and get down to eating his forearms.

The western world with all its prepackaged shelf ready steaks is in no place to pass judgement on anyone.
Untill youve been out and actualy killed an animal, bled it, cleaned and skinned it then butchered it, your in no real position to have a valid opinion.

If the supermarkets all closed tommorow the western world in its ivory tower built upon lofty moral highground would rapidly get a reality check.

I work in a shop and i dump on average 2 ton of meat a week, thats dead animal carcass that no one wants straight in the compactor, a few hundred animals a week wasted. Wheres the justice in that?
Then theres the conditions the animals where raised in, do you realise just how much it costs to raise a REAL animal for salughter?
The only way to drive the costs down enough is to feed them absoloute junk and pack as many into a square foot as you can, knee deep in their own shit and dead comrades. All to produce a kilo of filet for under a fiver.
All the offal like hearts, lungs, stomachs etc all go in the bin cause no one "Civilised" wants to eat that shit.

Dolphin in the very least is saught after and expensive so atleast none of it goes to waste, and they get to swim around in comparative freedom for a while before getting slaughtered, if anything id say the Japs have the right idea.

As for the "intellect" argument its a non starter from the gate. Like i already said if i was hungry enough id eat anyone of you on here in a heartbeat and im damned certain everyone else would do the same, the vast majority of people on here are certainly smarter than your average Dolphin.

What a crock of shit. First off i doubt very much you would eat another person. You might be a cannibal i don't really know and you might eat someone if you were hungry but i doubt that too. I seriously doubt you would murder someone and eat them because your hungry though.

As for the Western world and its prepacked food shelves. Do food shelves only exist in the Western world. In the East do they go and and kill their prey and eat it when they're hungry ? Or maybe your getting mixed up with different time ages.Maybe your talking about the cavemen and your getting them mixed up with the Japanese

[snagga]

When did the Japs started eating Dolphins??

[davieboy.rfc]

When did the Japs started eating Dolphins??

same time they started eatin whales or anything else that moved...

[Bulld0g]

When did the Japs started eating Dolphins??

8.20am Two weeks last Saturday

[badapple]

When did the Japs started eating Dolphins??

I think ever since the English started eating pigs!
The point is what we might find disgusting here, may be the norm in other cultures.
Dolphins are not really animals that one could class as pets, like cats and dogs but even these are recipes in some countries.

[thered]

Dolphins have been declared the world?s second most intelligent creatures after humans, with scientists suggesting they are so bright that they should be treated as ?non-human persons?.
Studies into dolphin behaviour have highlighted how similar their communications are to those of humans and that they are brighter than chimpanzees. These have been backed up by anatomical research showing that dolphin brains have many key features associated with high intelligence.
The researchers argue that their work shows it is morally unacceptable to keep such intelligent animals in amusement parks or to kill them for food or by accident when fishing. Some 300,000 whales, dolphins and porpoises die in this way each year.
?Many dolphin brains are larger than our own and second in mass only to the human brain when corrected for body size,? said Lori Marino, a zoologist at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, who has used magnetic resonance imaging scans to map the brains of dolphin species and compare them with those of primates.

?The neuroanatomy suggests psychological continuity between humans and dolphins and has profound implications for the ethics of human-dolphin interactions,? she added.
Dolphins have long been recognised as among the most intelligent of animals but many researchers had placed them below chimps, which some studies have found can reach the intelligence levels of three-year-old children. Recently, however, a series of behavioural studies has suggested that dolphins, especially species such as the bottlenose, could be the brighter of the two. The studies show how dolphins have distinct personalities, a strong sense of self and can think about the future.
It has also become clear that they are ?cultural? animals, meaning that new types of behaviour can quickly be picked up by one dolphin from another.
In one study, Diana Reiss, professor of psychology at Hunter College, City University of New York, showed that bottlenose dolphins could recognise themselves in a mirror and use it to inspect various parts of their bodies, an ability that had been thought limited to humans and great apes.
In another, she found that captive animals also had the ability to learn a rudimentary symbol-based language.
Other research has shown dolphins can solve difficult problems, while those living in the wild co-operate in ways that imply complex social structures and a high level of emotional sophistication.
In one recent case, a dolphin rescued from the wild was taught to tail-walk while recuperating for three weeks in a dolphinarium in Australia.
After she was released, scientists were astonished to see the trick spreading among wild dolphins who had learnt it from the former captive.
There are many similar examples, such as the way dolphins living off Western Australia learnt to hold sponges over their snouts to protect themselves when searching for spiny fish on the ocean floor.
Such observations, along with others showing, for example, how dolphins could co-operate with military precision to round up shoals of fish to eat, have prompted questions about the brain structures that must underlie them.
Size is only one factor. Researchers have found that brain size varies hugely from around 7oz for smaller cetacean species such as the Ganges River dolphin to more than 19lb for sperm whales, whose brains are the largest on the planet. Human brains, by contrast, range from 2lb-4lb, while a chimp?s brain is about 12oz.
When it comes to intelligence, however, brain size is less important than its size relative to the body.
What Marino and her colleagues found was that the cerebral cortex and neocortex of bottlenose dolphins were so large that ?the anatomical ratios that assess cognitive capacity place it second only to the human brain?. They also found that the brain cortex of dolphins such as the bottlenose had the same convoluted folds that are strongly linked with human intelligence.
Such folds increase the volume of the cortex and the ability of brain cells to interconnect with each other. ?Despite evolving along a different neuroanatomical trajectory to humans, cetacean brains have several features that are correlated with complex intelligence,? Marino said.
Marino and Reiss will present their findings at a conference in San Diego, California, next month, concluding that the new evidence about dolphin intelligence makes it morally repugnant to mistreat them.
Thomas White, professor of ethics at Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, who has written a series of academic studies suggesting dolphins should have rights, will speak at the same conference.
?The scientific research . . . suggests that dolphins are ?non-human persons? who qualify for moral standing as individuals,? he said.


Its called a 'civilised society' and obviously you are up there with the chimps. Ape-man!

so its all down to a brain what we should eat how does that work?

all creatures are living so why is it ok to eat one and not the other they obviously arnt that clever or they wouldnt get caught

we are just programmed in western society to think of meat as chicken,beef,lamb and pork all pre-packed on supermarket shelf most other things people find disgusting a lot of people find fish heads skin and scales disgusting and would only by fish if its took off

if we had all grew up over eating pre-packed dolphin steak and whale steaks no one would bat an eyelid it would just look like tuna steak

i think pigs are one of the cutest animals about but they arnt half tasty

[chroma]

What a crock of shit. First off i doubt very much you would eat another person. You might be a cannibal i don't really know and you might eat someone if you were hungry but i doubt that too. I seriously doubt you would murder someone and eat them because your hungry though.

As for the Western world and its prepacked food shelves. Do food shelves only exist in the Western world. In the East do they go and and kill their prey and eat it when they're hungry ? Or maybe your getting mixed up with different time ages.Maybe your talking about the cavemen and your getting them mixed up with the Japanese

Whats to doubt? Take a look at historical records of groups starving to death either from bad weather, accidents, famine or sieges and you'll see a close link to uprisings of cannibalism. Its a trait that every man woman and child on the planet is fully capable, regardless of its taboo status.

Oklahoma in the 1930's saw a resurgance, during WW2 in the mid 30s to early 40s saw a steep rise from combatants on all sides, most documented are Russians and Chinese/Korean but Americans and Brits also had reported cases that have struggled to stay out of the history books. Even in concentration camps there where reports of Jew on Jew.
During exploration of America, The Oregon trail, the Donner party, Australian and Tazmanian penal colony records, recent displacement of refugees in africa due to conflicts etc.

When people begin to starve they will resort to eating each other, its been proven time and time again throughout history.

This isnt even Ed Gein or Jeff Dahmer teritory either, in the majority of cases people would rather have had a nice bit of Dolphin as opposed to a comrade.

Western world is a bit of a misnomer i perhaps should have called it "The Developed World." All im getting at whith that is that the vast majority of average people have never had to actualy kill anything before eating it and that the entire process is largely detatched and pushed from their minds.
Asking a child in London and a child in Botswana where the meat on their plates come from and i can guarantee you would get widely differing results.

The Dolphin argument seems to hold in most the same kind of revulsion as farming canine for consumption, its just not acceptable in western society. Its ok to keep Foghorn Leghorn in a cage and eventualy eat him but Goofy or Snoopy? No chance!