on m25

[hoggy952]

On M25 this morning and traffic was heavier than usual HGV,s blocking up lanes 1/2 for a couple of miles..expected a collision or roadworks but as I went down the outside lane the problem was a guy about doing about 40 mph in the middle lane with a hgv inches behind him, now this was not a elderly guy (which I expected) but a guy about 30-40 , I think this guy may have never passed his test and if he has there should be a 3 point penalty and a test retake but these drivers need educating.

[xant14]

Drives me nuts it does, people sticking in the middle 'OVERTAKING' lane. Even at 4am with nowt on the road, they are there in the overtaking lane.
If I was a copper I would be pulling em, and charging them.

I also think our system of driving lessons/test is ridiculous too...
We start off as learners, and hence learners aren't allowed on a motorway... Pass the test.. Now get out on that motorway... no instructor or lessons on how to drive on a motorway or anything, in at the deep end.
In Germany, you HAVE to pass a seperate test for the Autobahns after you have passed your test.

[westkill]

funny that i came down the m25 about half two wednesday morning seeing the same thing,
wonder if was the same bloke

[xant14]

there will be some coont saying the M25 was clear as ~~~~ yesterday.. but huge congestion behind him.
Altho thats probably not true, coz them coonts are oblivious to anything that is happening around them.

I tell you another of my pet hates.. when your sat in the inside lane, coming up to a lorry, you look in the mirror and there is a middle laner coming alongside you doing 1mph more than you.
You would think, ah they have seen me approaching the lorry, I will speed up a bit to let him (me) out, or even jump into the outside lane to let me out... but no! they amble along forcing me to brake for the lorry.
I found the best way to educate these drivers is just pull out in front of them with inches to spare, and tap your brake lights on.

Xants motorway driving skool- Bookings now being taken.

[hoggy952]

funny that i came down the m25 about half two wednesday morning seeing the same thing,
wonder if was the same bloke

I bet this one was his dad they like to keep it in the family

[Canker_Canison]

I also think our system of driving lessons/test is ridiculous too...
We start off as learners, and hence learners aren't allowed on a motorway... Pass the test.. Now get out on that motorway... no instructor or lessons on how to drive on a motorway or anything, in at the deep end.

It's not the fact that you're thrown in at the deep end. Anyone with common sense would think.....'Hey, this is just like those A roads with 2 lanes. Only this has 3.'

It's the lack of common sense that gets me going.

But the test should be changed. Current procedure is... Get provisional license, take lessons, try to pass theory, try to pass test.

It should be ....... Study for theory, try to pass theory, get provisional license once theory passed, take lessons, try to pass test.

If you can't pass the theory after taking 50 lessons & failing the test's multiply times...... You're not safe to be on the road.

[manxspud]

Test .... you have to take a test to drive .... never knew that.

[blackbirdhunter]

Drives me nuts it does, people sticking in the middle 'OVERTAKING' lane. Even at 4am with nowt on the road, they are there in the overtaking lane.
If I was a copper I would be pulling em, and charging them.

I also think our system of driving lessons/test is ridiculous too...
We start off as learners, and hence learners aren't allowed on a motorway... Pass the test.. Now get out on that motorway... no instructor or lessons on how to drive on a motorway or anything, in at the deep end.
In Germany, you HAVE to pass a seperate test for the Autobahns after you have passed your test.

Well, unless driving lessons and test have changed that much in Germany in the last 20 years, then that is not quite correct.

You can't drive a car without having your test first in Germany, meaning you do your lessons (mandatory), and you do your theory test first, you don't pass your theory, no driving test is done. This happens on the same day. What you DO HAVE TO DO though is have a certain amount of "Autobahn" hours in. Your driving instructor will very clearly tell you to speed up (Minimum 130 km/h). And those Autobahn hours come at the end, near your driving test time.

All in all, no licence, no driving....

Soz ,
Busa

[xant14]

Ah ok, point taken. My cuz is German, and she told me in broken English the various bits and bobs. I had it in my head it was a separate test, but there ya go.

[blackbirdhunter]

Ah ok, point taken. My cuz is German, and she told me in broken English the various bits and bobs. I had it in my head it was a separate test, but there ya go.

No worries. But it's true that you do have to have quite a few motorway hours in. There is no provisional licence as such, so you can't just slap a "L" sticker on your car and off you go... If you don't do at least your mandatory hours with a driving instructor, there is no way you ever get a licence. Theory test and driving test happens on the same day... If you pass your theory, that is...

Apart from that, Motorways in Germany are easier, not as many jams, traffic flowing more freely due to no speed limit. It's not the speed that kills, it's careless drivers, and there are on average less accidents on German "Autobahns" than on British motorways. You can pass a police car at 150 mph and they won't even bat an eyelid. But where there are speed limits, those are very strongly enforced, with hidden cameras. The penalty depends on the speed you've done, and where, so if you're only 10 miles over speed limit on a motorway, it's unlikely to get points, and maybe 50 quid as a fine. (now I haven't been back in Germany for about 7 years, so it MAY have changed, but that's the way it was when I was still there)

Busa

[bazmcc]

I think you should have to drive a motorbike with R plates for a year instead of a car when you pass your test. This would sort out a lot of problems.

1. It would wipe out the boy racers who would be smeared through hedges or up garden walls when they overstep their limits. Instead of bumping mums fiesta up the side of the neighbours M3.

2. Everyone would learn to use their mirrors or look round them before changing lanes because if you don't you'll get mullered through the grill of a scania.

3. A motorbike accident is much easier to clear up than a pile up caused by little miss pink seat covers who was too busy doing her make up to realise she's heading for the back of a stationary family car at 50mph.

4. Have you ever seen a motorcyclist using a phone while on the bike?

5. nervous drivers wouldn't even chance a motorway and if they did they'd be tucked into the left lane as close to the hard shoulder as possible.

There's probably loads of other good reasons too.

[gregca]

test toast

test test teast

[Canker_Canison]

1. It would wipe out the boy racers who would be smeared through hedges or up garden walls when they overstep their limits.

The down side is, being boy racers, they'd run off & get a Busa. As much as I wouldn't miss the little cock fairies, the loss of a Busa is too much for any man to cope with.

[blackbirdhunter]

One like that you mean?



Mind you, going round the gyratory the other day, there was an old dude in a merc, nearly crashing into a couple on an intruder. So it's not just boy racers. Had it been me, I would have stopped him, he nearly killed them, that old pratt.

[Canker_Canison]

I would prefer black. But I also know my life would come to a violent end if I ever got one.
Not licensed for a bike & never been crazy enough to get on one. But I've been told by a biker friend that I drive a car as if I was on a bike. Guess I have good spacial awareness.


Old people are a bigger danger than the cock fairies. But I'm hoping this will ease up a bit in the next 10 years. Most coffin dodgers today have never had access to fast cars when they were younger. My dad's generation did. Now I've had some track time with a fast car...but he can put me to shame. Although, he has a fair amount of rallying experience which might explain it.