student riots

[super jumbe]

Throwing paint on our monarch car is not acceptable that was well above the limit of respect, may I point out that our police force will have to be trained vigorously because as I watched the live TV on the day of last riot a police officer hitting our students on the head and cracking the scull with the trenches is not acceptable they should also be charged.

[bald rick]

David Gilmour son arrested for rioting

Another ***** in the wall

[super jumbe]

I would also like to hear some officers charged with using trenchers on our students.

[skegsagypsy]

Check out the youtube videos of Jody McIntyre the disabled Cerebral Palsy sufferer who was trailed from his wheelchair by police officers, his interview with the BBC is both stunning in his responses and appalling in the harrasment by the BBC interviewer .

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXNJ3MZ-AUo"]YouTube - BBC Jody McIntyre interview[/ame]

[smegal]

I as a student am 100% against the fee protests. The influx of people entering into degrees in the last 10 years has devalued all but the best degrees. I think that anything that reduces the numbers is a good thing.

The argument that those less well off will lose out is nonsense. There already is so much financial support for those less well off and there will be even more when fees rise because the universities will be able to give massive bursaries. The only people who will really lose out are those who are in the middle class and end up with a lower paying job.

[skegsagypsy]

I as a student am 100% against the fee protests. The influx of people entering into degrees in the last 10 years has devalued all but the best degrees. I think that anything that reduces the numbers is a good thing.

The argument that those less well off will lose out is nonsense. There already is so much financial support for those less well off and there will be even more when fees rise because the universities will be able to give massive bursaries. The only people who will really lose out are those who are in the middle class and end up with a lower paying job.

Sorry but that's a complete misunderstanding of the student fee system, regardless of how you fund your way a supposedly free education system, students including yourself, will end up with massive debts by the time they leave Uni, that is wrong on any count and even more so in respect to those less well off ! Don't forget this government is also removing the EMA to those in secondary education, meaning those from poorer backgrounds may have to leave education and not make it to university as they cannot afford to stay on at school to day A levels. Free education is a thing of the past particularly under the Tory state the class system gets ever stronger under the Tories !

[dctyper]

Does that odd few ruining it for others include the police officers who beat a 20 yr man about the head causing him to have operations on his brain ? Or the officers who dragged a disabled person from a wheelchair ? or those who charged a group of teenagers with horses or those who kettled innocent people for upwards of 6 hours ?

Let me state my point on the violence, it was wrong on all counts regardless of where it emanated from, be it students, anarchists or state, maybe we should all roll over and bare our bellies to government regardless of what punitive policies they introduce !

just because he was disabled doent mean he didnt break the law and must be treated differently

the police have these tactics in place to keep the wider public safe. if the people inside the crowds done as they were told none of that would have happened, end of

[dctyper]

Throwing paint on our monarch car is not acceptable that was well above the limit of respect, may I point out that our police force will have to be trained vigorously because as I watched the live TV on the day of last riot a police officer hitting our students on the head and cracking the scull with the trenches is not acceptable they should also be charged.

the police are allowed to use necessary force, if they were deemed to be violent towards the police or be a threat to the wider public they will use that force.

at the end of the day, like i said in my other post. if they done what they said they were going to do, be it a PEACEFUL protest, EVERYONE would go home unharmed and safe

bring on the water cannons next, im sick and tired of paying my taxes for the damged caused by a lack of respect of non tax paying idiots.

(my above statement does not include those law abiding peacefull students)

dc



dc

[maca]

yea bring on the water cannon funny as ~~~~ seeing people getting whipped up in the air . right anyone for a cup of tea

ps. to all students take a towel next time

[McMav]

just because he was disabled doent mean he didnt break the law and must be treated differently

the police have these tactics in place to keep the wider public safe. if the people inside the crowds done as they were told none of that would have happened, end of

Indeed but why drag him out of his chair why not simply wheel him away in his chair? Sorry plod got it majorly wrong there.

[smegal]

Sorry but that's a complete misunderstanding of the student fee system, regardless of how you fund your way a supposedly free education system, students including yourself, will end up with massive debts by the time they leave Uni, that is wrong on any count and even more so in respect to those less well off ! Don't forget this government is also removing the EMA to those in secondary education, meaning those from poorer backgrounds may have to leave education and not make it to university as they cannot afford to stay on at school to day A levels. Free education is a thing of the past particularly under the Tory state the class system gets ever stronger under the Tories !

Higher education shouldn't be free, we have some of the best universities in the world. Student debt is an interesting kind of debt because it comes out like a tax other than making payments and you don't get the bailiffs knocking at the door. The level of debt that a graduate leaves with in the grand scheme of things of things should still be a worthwile investment. If you don't see it that way don't go to university.

The EMA from my experience gets frittered away anyway so I am indifferent to its removal.

You are so wrong on the class system with the current government, they are screwing the middle class most of all at the moment.

[dctyper]

Indeed but why drag him out of his chair why not simply wheel him away in his chair? Sorry plod got it majorly wrong there.

we dont know the ins and outs, you may be right, but what if he was acting violently? they give warnings before restraining anyone.

i personally think he is lying, i watched all his interviews and he kept on talking about other things that were not relevent

dc

[skegsagypsy]

Of course you think he's lying as it suits your argument, but no matter how you dress it up to suit that argument, nothing can justify the actions of heavily armed, suited and booted Police officers dragging a disabled man from a wheel chair across a concrete rd, nor is there any justification for hitting another young man on the head with a baton causing very severe injuries ! Jody McIntyre's treatment was appalling as seen in the video, and his treatment since by some particularly the media is just as appalling, shame on them all !

[skegsagypsy]

Higher education shouldn't be free, we have some of the best universities in the world.

I agree, but it should be set at a rate that is feasible so that everyone can have the ability to avail of it, under this government it isn't !

Student debt is an interesting kind of debt because it comes out like a tax other than making payments and you don't get the bailiffs knocking at the door. The level of debt that a graduate leaves with in the grand scheme of things of things should still be a worthwile investment.

Not in a million years will the level of debt be worthwhile, it's a succour to the elitist system and is solely designed to filter the education system into a class the old haves and have nots !

If you don't see it that way don't go to university.

The old if you don't like it stuff you chestnut, I find it will be more a case of if you can't afford to go to university tough, but there in lies the difference between our opinions.

The EMA from my experience gets frittered away anyway so I am indifferent to its removal.

What evidence would you base that assertion on ? How is it frittered away ? Do you even understand what the EMA was/is for ?

You are so wrong on the class system with the current government, they are screwing the middle class most of all at the moment.

Tell that to those who are barely getting by on the minimum wage, on benefits, Unemployed or lost their jobs, everyone is being screwed by this government, but its those at the bottom who get screwed most and those who can ill afford to suffer further that are being forced to soak it up, the Tories are the worst of a bad bunch, the Lib Dem are their bum boys !

[mattybhoy]

yea bring on the water cannon funny as ~~~~ seeing people getting whipped up in the air . right anyone for a cup of tea

ps. to all students take a towel next time

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