student riots

[cablefreejunkie]

as we all know the police are a law unto themselves,if theres a complaint made we get an ipcc investigation,officer is never charged and public get told "we will learn from the issues raised in the inquiry etc etc " same old shite
im with the students 100%
~~~~in scumbag tory politicians will make sure that a university education will become something only obtainable if you come from a wealthy family,,liberals wanted to reform university fees etc but now find themselves in an impossible position,clegg is on his way out to brussels,,its getting worse.............
,,every single human being in this country should be entitled to free healthcare and a decent state education and a reasonable uni fee paying education considering the amount of ~~~~in tax we pay
,,this under tory kooont goverment will be slowly eroded away,,,make no mistake about that,its happening already
keep marching students

[smegal]

What evidence would you base that assertion on ? How is it frittered away ? Do you even understand what the EMA was/is for ?

I have been to college and seen people using their EMA for anything but supporting their rime at college.

May I ask what your experience is?

Also how is it this governments fault that people are now unemployed, it wasn't the current government that got us into this mess. I will admit that the credit crunch isn't Labour's fault either but the reckless spending during the recession as an attempt to spend our way out of it was.

At the end of the day if the debt isn't worth the salary don't go to university. If I was 17 now looking to enrol when the fee hike kicks in I would be making damn sure I got the best out of my course.

The labour government screwed the education system up by encouraging too many people to go to university which lead to the rise in mickey mouse degrees where the graduates end up working in call centres etc.

I am now at a reasonably good university for an MSc after going to a really bad university for my BEng I have seen this from both sides and I can see what the government is trying to do.

My main concern is that the students on worthwile degrees will be made to pay for those on mickey mouse subjects that have just had funding cuts.

[maca]

I have been to college and seen people using their EMA for anything but supporting their rime at college.

May I ask what your experience is?

Also how is it this governments fault that people are now unemployed, it wasn't the current government that got us into this mess. I will admit that the credit crunch isn't Labour's fault either but the reckless spending during the recession as an attempt to spend our way out of it was.

At the end of the day if the debt isn't worth the salary don't go to university. If I was 17 now looking to enrol when the fee hike kicks in I would be making damn sure I got the best out of my course.

The labour government screwed the education system up by encouraging too many people to go to university which lead to the rise in mickey mouse degrees where the graduates end up working in call centres etc.

I am now at a reasonably good university for an MSc after going to a really bad university for my BEng I have seen this from both sides and I can see what the government is trying to do.

My main concern is that the students on worthwile degrees will be made to pay for those on mickey mouse subjects that have just had funding cuts.

so it's im alright jack you grab a ladder

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxA0a5G6ccg"]YouTube - University Challenge - The Young Ones[/ame]

[smegal]

tory politicians will make sure that a university education will become something only obtainable if you come from a wealthy family

This will never be the case.

If someone from a less well off family does well at college and gets good A levels they have the same chance as everyone else. In fact people from less well off families have more disposable money while at university than everyone else.

The problem is people who then go on to study worthless degrees, or worse go to university "for the experience" then complain about the debt. A degree is an investment in your future! As Gordon Brown said "The average graduate will go on to earn double that of someone who did not go to university over the length of their career" [or words to that effect if I haven't quite worded it correctly.

Does up to ?40k debt still seem excessive?

[smegal]

so it's im alright jack you grab a ladder

Not at all, as I have said in a previous post I would still take the route that I have taken [well a slightly different route but that's down to experience]. I think it is a joke that there are 300,000 more students at university now than in the 1990s and it has completely devalued the degree. If it was still at that level then no one would mind about excessive fees because their degree would add much more value than the debt.

[maca]

ffs m8 you cant stop people going to uni just because you think it devalues your degree everyone deserves a chance in life.

[smegal]

ffs m8 you cant stop people going to uni just because you think it devalues your degree everyone deserves a chance in life.

IT doesn't devalue my degree (engineers are a dying breed) it devalues the UK degree as a whole. Is a holistic medicine or David Beckham studies degree really a chance in life?

Higher fees will hopefully make people think "is this worth ?40k to me". if the answer is yes then they will study away if not then they will gain experience. A degree isn't the be all and end all.

[edit] Just realised I've contradicted myself a little.

It really is horses for courses, what benefits one person doesn't necessarily work for another. You don't need a degree to do well you need ambition!

[maca]

IT doesn't devalue my degree (engineers are a dying breed) it devalues the UK degree as a whole. Is a holistic medicine or David Beckham studies degree really a chance in life?

Higher fees will hopefully make people think "is this worth ?40k to me". if the answer is yes then they will study away if not then they will gain experience. A degree isn't the be all and end all.

David Beckham degree deffo m8 you seen how much he's worth now. His birds a bit dodgy though

[smegal]

David Beckham degree deffo m8 you seen how much he's worth now. His birds a bit dodgy though

[Grizz]

so it's im alright jack you grab a ladder

YouTube - University Challenge - The Young Ones

quick in here everyone, meatheads on tv!!

[junger]

In these posts are most of the microcosms of our society.
Students. for a hundred years believe that the Taxpayer should foot the bill, regardless of the fact that he/she may see no return, to put it another way, a Doctor earns ?100.000 per annum, a Barrister earns ?200 per hour, If they went to university University in the 1960's, 1970's 1980's 1990's & 2000's then I have contributed to the education of people for 40 years, when I was struggling as an apprentice I do not remember the government giving me a hand-out I was just working earning ?5.40 for 4 days a week work to pay tax, Oh, and I bought my own books/stationary. Stop f*ckin bleating about the current hardship and be thankful that you will only be asked to make the contribution when you are earning over ?21,000 per annum, that is unless you are studying a course like 'pop music', then you should jack it a get a proper job instead of sponging of us all!!!, get it?

[smegal]

In these posts are most of the microcosms of our society.
Students. for a hundred years believe that the Taxpayer should foot the bill, regardless of the fact that he/she may see no return, to put it another way, a Doctor earns ?100.000 per annum, a Barrister earns ?200 per hour, If they went to university University in the 1960's, 1970's 1980's 1990's & 2000's then I have contributed to the education of people for 40 years, when I was struggling as an apprentice I do not remember the government giving me a hand-out I was just working earning ?5.40 for 4 days a week work to pay tax, Oh, and I bought my own books/stationary. Stop f*ckin bleating about the current hardship and be thankful that you will only be asked to make the contribution when you are earning over ?21,000 per annum, that is unless you are studying a course like 'pop music', then you should jack it a get a proper job instead of sponging of us all!!!, get it?

Hear Hear!

[skegsagypsy]

I have been to college and seen people using their EMA for anything but supporting their rime at college.

May I ask what your experience is?

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I'll tell you what my experience is, I have a 17 year old son currently studying his A levels he receives EMA he doesn't waste or squander it, I have a 21 yr old son who just finished his degree at Galway University and I have a daughter who finished her degree at Oxford University 5yrs ago, I consider myself well placed to comment on the issue.

The cnuts who are now intent on changing the student fees are the very same people who availed of free education, now their up the ladder they want to sh?t on those below, these fee rises should be opposed by everyone not just students.

[junger]

I'll tell you what my experience is, I have a 17 year old son currently studying his A levels he receives EMA he doesn't waste or squander it, I have a 21 yr old son who just finished his degree at Galway University and I have a daughter who finished her degree at Oxford University 5yrs ago, I consider myself well placed to comment on the issue.

The cnuts who are now intent on changing the student fees are the very same people who availed of free education, now their up the ladder they want to sh?t on those below, these fee rises should be opposed by everyone not just students.

Hold on Mate, I am not accusing you children of scrounging, I understand you views, however, its funny how people take a viewpoint based on their own situation, my brother went to Sheffield University and swears by it, well he would on ?80.000 per annum plus a blue chip pension, which is f#ckin more that I got though I paid for it.
By the way, the Government that everyone quotes is only a allocator of my money in taxes, so its me that being rioted against cause I've had enough of the scociety that want something for F#ck all

[skegsagypsy]

Hold on Mate, I am not accusing you children of scrounging,

You seem to be mistaking me for someone else, at no point did I accuse you of anything !