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  • Canker_Canison
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    • May 2010
    • 3905

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    Religion could become extinct in 9 nations.

    A study using census data from nine countries shows that religion there is set for extinction, say researchers.
    The study found a steady rise in those claiming no religious affiliation.
    The team's mathematical model attempts to account for the interplay between the number of religious respondents and the social motives behind being one.
    The result, reported at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas, US, indicates that religion will all but die out altogether in those countries.
    The team took census data stretching back as far as a century from countries in which the census queried religious affiliation: Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.
    Nonlinear dynamics is invoked to explain a wide range of physical phenomena in which a number of factors play a part.
    One of the team, Daniel Abrams of Northwestern University, put forth a similar model in 2003 to put a numerical basis behind the decline of lesser-spoken world languages.
    At its heart is the competition between speakers of different languages, and the "utility" of speaking one instead of another.
    "The idea is pretty simple," said Richard Wiener of the Research Corporation for Science Advancement, and the University of Arizona.
    "It posits that social groups that have more members are going to be more attractive to join, and it posits that social groups have a social status or utility.
    "For example in languages, there can be greater utility or status in speaking Spanish instead of [the dying language] Quechuan in Peru, and similarly there's some kind of status or utility in being a member of a religion or not."
    Some of the census data the team used date from the 19th century
    Dr Wiener continued: "In a large number of modern secular democracies, there's been a trend that folk are identifying themselves as non-affiliated with religion; in the Netherlands the number was 40%, and the highest we saw was in the Czech Republic, where the number was 60%."
    The team then applied their nonlinear dynamics model, adjusting parameters for the relative social and utilitarian merits of membership of the "non-religious" category.
    They found, in a study published online, that those parameters were similar across all the countries studied, suggesting that similar behaviour drives the mathematics in all of them.
    And in all the countries, the indications were that religion was headed toward extinction.
    However, Dr Wiener told the conference that the team was working to update the model with a "network structure" more representative of the one at work in the world.
    "Obviously we don't really believe this is the network structure of a modern society, where each person is influenced equally by all the other people in society," he said.
    However, he told BBC News that he thought it was "a suggestive result".
    "It's interesting that a fairly simple model captures the data, and if those simple ideas are correct, it suggests where this might be going.
    "Obviously much more complicated things are going on with any one individual, but maybe a lot of that averages out."
    Guess they didn't look at the UK due to the increase in people converting to Jedi
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  • super jumbe
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    • Dec 2008
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    Hi canker_canison basically any 1 can say I do not have a religion, but how far do we go back to a question they are asking your ancestors f*** knows if I belongs to Romans or Arabs, I mean do I go back 100years or millions of years back, total diabolical mate!

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    • Canker_Canison
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      • May 2010
      • 3905

      #3
      Hey, I didn't write it, just grabbed it off the BBC News website.

      To me it was more interesting to see the countries they had listed.

      Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

      Australia, Canada & New Zealand were all collonised from Europe, most during highly religious times.

      Finland, Netherlands & Switzerland have never really struck me personally as being religious countries. I may be wrong. But when compared to Ireland, in my eyes a very religious country...if only due to the conflict. All the others seem very sedate places.

      It's also been said, in a few places, that it's the West's lack of religion that makes us weak in the eyes of the more extreme Islamics.

      Although the story doesn't say it, I think it was pointing towards the fact that the more liberal & scientific nations are putting religion behind them. This world would be a better place without religion.
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      • Lainie
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        • Mar 2008
        • 3062

        #4
        as someone who lives in glasgow religion causes nothing but trouble up here and the hatred i hear every single day still horrifies me. im an athiest and i will have a humanist funeral with no references to god as i dont believe he exists.
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        • Snowy79
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          • Jan 2011
          • 1347

          #5
          You will find the more Scientificaly advanced a Country becomes the less likely it will be to believe in Religion as we think of it. Christianity is a relatively modern Religion when taken into context against the Incas etc and look how well that Religion is doing.

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          • Snowy79
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            • Jan 2011
            • 1347

            #6
            I'm with you on the humanist side Lainie. I went to my friends Humanist Wedding and it was one of the best things I've experienced. They celebrated the couple and respect for fellow Humans, no Religious bull and worshiping of an imaginary being.

            Originally posted by Lainie
            as someone who lives in glasgow religion causes nothing but trouble up here and the hatred i hear every single day still horrifies me. im an athiest and i will have a humanist funeral with no references to god as i dont believe he exists.

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            • tshirtman
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              • Dec 2008
              • 1345

              #7
              Originally posted by Snowy79
              I'm with you on the humanist side Lainie. I went to my friends Humanist Wedding and it was one of the best things I've experienced. They celebrated the couple and respect for fellow Humans, no Religious bull and worshiping of an imaginary being.
              Isn't that called a registry office
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              • tshirtman
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                • Dec 2008
                • 1345

                #8
                it would be difficult to get rid of religion in this country, due to the amount of church schools,
                I have 2 children, the eldest is christened and the youngest isn't,
                the only reason we had the eldest baptised was to get him in to the local school, which happened to be a C.o.E primary, and was a requirement to get in.
                the youngest got in to the school automatically as a sibling, so didn't bother getting him baptised.

                I wonder if you can be un-christened, I could have found a gap in the market me thinks, I think I'll have to set up a business un-christening people.
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                • Snowy79
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                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1347

                  #9
                  This one was in a Castle. They celebrated the couples life and talked off how they met and plans for the future. The vows were taken from Old Scots and there were various blessings and ancient readings from our Fore Fathers. You'd be surprised where the Authors of the Bible got some of their words from ;-) As the couple tied the knot, signified by linking their hands with a strip of cloth from their family Tartan they passsed the ring around the congregation and asked each person holding the ring to think of the couple. No Psalms were sang and the music was selected by the couple and each song meant something to them. All in it was very impressive and if I ever get a Lobotomy and decide to get married I'd certainly have a Humanist ceremony.

                  Originally posted by tshirtman
                  Isn't that called a registry office

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                  • Grizz
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                    • Sep 2010
                    • 1598

                    #10
                    sounds very cool. i couldnt deal with (or afford) the usual church weddings here so the mrs and i slipped over the border on and eloped in a registry office in the North. not just cause it was mine but i thought it was the most chilled wedding i was ever at. a weeks notice to the registrar, 5 mins doing vows, and it was all over. And the added bonus of not having to spend 5 years paying the wedding off.
                    Strangely enough, we were going to do it in Gretna green as we thought it was suppose to be the most hassle free place to get married but it turned out to be as complicated as Southern Ireland.

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                    • Evastar
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                      • Apr 2009
                      • 1220

                      #11
                      just because people say they don't belong to an organised religion doesn't mean they don't believe in a higher power, or angels. there is a huge number of people in ireland and other countries that are spiritually aware without going to church and being a member of a recognised religion. which isn't mentioned in that study

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                      • opsmonkey
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                        • Nov 2008
                        • 5379

                        #12
                        Religion is nothing but a medieval way of controlling the peasants by scaring the shite out of them with tales of wrath etc.. It has no place in modern society.. These days all it does is divide people and is the underlying cause of most of the worlds tension..

                        I believe in a higher power but I don't need anyone to try and stovepipe my beliefs to be in line with theirs

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                        • SOB60
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                          • Mar 2011
                          • 47

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Canker_Canison
                          Although the story doesn't say it, I think it was pointing towards the fact that the more liberal & scientific nations are putting religion behind them. This world would be a better place without religion.
                          You hit the nail on the head there Canker, the world sure would probally be a better place without religion, there are more disputes, fights and wars etc over religion than anything else, be it personally or nationally or internationally.

                          There must be a massive fall in the beliefs of people these days as when I was younger churches were full on a Sunday Morning nowadays it is only the Senior Citizens that have been brought up to go to church on a Sunday and follow there religion that attend.

                          In England churches are dissapearing and being turned into homes or restraunts etc, don't know about the rest of the country as regards this though.

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