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  • super jumbe
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    • Dec 2008
    • 11610

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    France's burqa ban



    WHEN the French voted last year to ban the niqab, or face-covering Islamic veil, the hard part was always going to be applying the law. Sure enough, the scenes captured by television cameras yesterday, as the law came into effect, of two veiled women being arrested by the police outside Notre Dame cathedral were dramatic.
    Yet the women were detained not for wearing the niqab, but for carrying out an unauthorised demonstration; they were later released without being fined the ?150 ($217) that the new law imposes. With such intense media scrutiny on the day the law came into effect, French police may have wanted to tread carefully. But the incident underlines the sensitivities in France surrounding any new rules that appear to target Muslims.
    Very few women in France wear the niqab (which the French often call the burqa). Intelligence estimates put the number at no more than 2,000, out of a total Muslim population of some 5m. Kenza Drider, one of the women arrested yesterday, had taken a train from Avignon to Paris specifically to make a point outside Notre Dame.
    But mayors in some immigrant-heavy towns say that the numbers have risen over the years, particularly among young French-born women who seem to have a mix of religious and political motivations. Some see the hand of hardline Islamist groups, which work through local bookshops and mosques to encourage the spread of the niqab. Many of the women who adopt the garment as teenagers come from families of north African origin, where there is no tradition of the niqab.
    This is why support for a ban came from across the political spectrum. Only one deputy in the National Assembly voted against it last year. The ban was widely seen not as a clampdown on religious freedom but a means of reinforcing France?s strict tradition of keeping religion out of public life. (The law itself makes no specific mention of Islam but forbids the covering of the face in public places on public-security grounds.) Anything between 57% and 74% of the French, according to various polls, backed the ban. The strongest voices of disapproval came from outside France.
    Since the law was passed, however, Mr Sarkozy?s popularity has sunk to record lows and he has come under pressure from a revived far-right National Front, led by Marine Le Pen. Mr Sarkozy faces a tough presidential election next year, and several polls suggest that Ms Le Pen might even beat him into the second-round run-off.
    Partly as a result, he has been talking tough, again, about immigration and Islam. Last week his UMP party staged a controversial debate on la?cit?, or secularism, which turned out to be all about Islam. Even French Muslims who have no time for the niqab-wearing fringe sense that Islam is being exploited for political ends.
    Such is the tense atmosphere that even moderate voices in favour of the ban seem to have gone quiet, perhaps for fear of further stirring anti-Islam sentiment. Fadela Amara, a Muslim ex-minister in Nicolas Sarkozy's first government, once called the burqa a ?prison?; now she seems to be silent. Rama Yade, another of the president's ex-ministers and of Senegalese origin, once said she considered the niqab an infringement of women?s rights; last week she quit the UMP, blaiming its divisive attitude on identity matters.
    The French may be trying to ban religion from public life, but, with little more than a year before they go to the polls, there are no signs that it is about to disappear from political life
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  • SouthernComfort
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    • Feb 2011
    • 403

    #2
    Don't see what all the fuss is about, the 'balaclava' or 'wooly face' has been worn by religious fanatics all over Ireland without contention for years.
    Can't they all just wear gimp masks and get along.
    "What we've got here is failure to communicate."

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    • super jumbe
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      • Dec 2008
      • 11610

      #3
      I hate the word (HUMAN) rights; it stinks from the back side.
      The word has no meaning when the govt in force to woman.

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      • jcgrumbles
        DK Veteran
        • Nov 2010
        • 944

        #4
        if i was to walk into the local building society with my face covered up like that i would expect a clubbing from the security guard,ban them for christs sake and make them wear proper lids when they are on their bikes as well,bloody hell,grow some BALLS..

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        • super jumbe
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          • Dec 2008
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          #5
          I suppose you could walk in the local building society as a punk or face surgery.
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          • nara
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            • May 2008
            • 2586

            #6
            Originally posted by jcgrumbles
            if i was to walk into the local building society with my face covered up like that i would expect a clubbing from the security guard,ban them for christs sake and make them wear proper lids when they are on their bikes as well.

            "Them" are two completely different religions.
            He who laughs last probably didn't get the joke.

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            • super jumbe
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              • Dec 2008
              • 11610

              #7
              You may or may not agree with me but no one is above the law, when we tell the world we stand on subject of Human rights we should stand and duly respect for that law, if you remember few years ago our UK Parliament brought the law that no one can ride the motorbike without the helmet, what happed the Sikh objected that we have our own protection we are wearing the turban therefore we object and will not obey the law, and the law was changed, so were does the law stands?
              As far as I believe when a law has been passed in the Parliament we should all obey to it but the way I look at it only covers some peoples makes a mockery of all the Human rights.
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              • Snowy79
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                • Jan 2011
                • 1347

                #8
                Religion should play no part in the laws of the Land. Common sense should prevail above those that believe in Fairy Tales.

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                • jcgrumbles
                  DK Veteran
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 944

                  #9
                  Originally posted by nara
                  "Them" are two completely different religions.
                  well pardon me,i took double woodwork at school instead of religious instruction because i think all religion is a crock,hence my sheer ignorance of different races faiths,but hey,i make great furniture

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                  • thered
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                    • Aug 2008
                    • 4915

                    #10
                    dont know what the fuss is about tbh

                    if i wanted to wear a crash helmet in tesco's id be asked to remove it

                    if i went into a police station in a balaclava theres a good chance id be shot

                    if i said god wants me to wear it id get laughed at


                    religion is a crock of shit and anyone who decides to live in a country that doesnt agree with their beliefs and traditions should go back to where there traditions are respected

                    all people should be treated equally when you are in a country you do as that law tells you

                    if you dont like it ~~~~ off somewhere else

                    mr red got told to put his clothes back on in turkey last year i thought i looked fit too

                    seriously though there are parts where out of respect you cant walk about with no shirt on

                    do i cause a scene blame religion say god wants to see my moobs

                    no i respect their wishes it is their country their rules

                    if a country wants to ban burkha's then they should do it and we should follow suit they are a threat to security and could be used by men as well as women for all kinds of crimes


                    for anyone protesting ask them why ?

                    and what will happen to them if their face is shown will it blow up?

                    there is no legitimate excuse for them to wear them it is ridiculous

                    try walking around your local primary school with you cok out and blame it on your religion see how far you get

                    say adam and eve didnt have clothes its against my religion

                    i know cos i tried it

                    but joking aside the principal is exactly the same religion should never be an excuse for anything and the law should be obeyed by everybody no matter what your faith says there should be no exceptions

                    when in rome as they say

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                    • Snowy79
                      DK Veteran
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 1347

                      #11
                      I think wearing the Burka is just playing into the hands of the guys that get off on imagining what the women are wearing (or not) underneath. They're just cock teasers the lot of them. ;-)

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                      • thered
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                        • Aug 2008
                        • 4915

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Snowy79
                        I think wearing the Burka is just playing into the hands of the guys that get off on imagining what the women are wearing (or not) underneath. They're just cock teasers the lot of them. ;-)
                        you sound like your talking from experience


                        i think if they want to cover their faces they should do it like this
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                        • Snowy79
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                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1347

                          #13
                          I couldn't help it you honour.

                          Originally posted by thered
                          you sound like your talking from experience


                          i think if they want to cover their faces they should do it like this

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                          • super jumbe
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                            • Dec 2008
                            • 11610

                            #14


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                            Five minutes on google what I have found.
                            All to remove the face covering or else!
                            Law & order no to women rights!

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                            • z786
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                              • Aug 2009
                              • 4781

                              #15
                              why dont you guys have some respect
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