KFC trial Halal chicken

[mattybhoy]

Like what's already been said it's old news. It's funny how old news referring to religions other than Christianity and old news referring to immigration gets brought up...

[nara]

Kill the animals before you slaughter them ffs! It's basic humanity.

Run that one by me again.

[z786]

The requirement is that an "authorised person" is present at the slaughter to recite a verse from the Koran. The animal must be alive when it's throat is cut and it is drained of all its blood. That's Halal.

Surely you don't need to be a "religion hating", tree-hugging hippy to appreciate how despicable this is??

Protesting is a democratic right in the UK and it's not just for the great unwashed. If you'd been alive in the early 1900s, would you have told the suffragettes to stop whinging and get a job??

picture time hope it helps you understand the despicable nature

[MrFug]

Run that one by me again.

Sure, since you appear confused, he is a brief lesson in basic semantics: Slaughter, as a verb, means to butcher an animal for food which can happen before or after the animal is killed. In ritual slaughters, the animal has it's throat cut and it is exsanguinated before death.

[nara]

Sure, since you appear confused, he is a brief lesson in basic semantics: Slaughter, as a verb, means to butcher an animal for food which can happen before or after the animal is killed. In ritual slaughters, the animal has it's throat cut and it is exsanguinated before death.

I think you need to do a little research into how slaughterhouses operate.

[lagerland]

its very simple dont go to kfc if you feel that way about it..................

[oneman]

Sure, since you appear confused, he is a brief lesson in basic semantics: Slaughter, as a verb, means to butcher an animal for food which can happen before or after the animal is killed. In ritual slaughters, the animal has it's throat cut and it is exsanguinated before death.

Are you actually aware of how chickens are killed during the slaughter process ?

[lagerland]

Yes i read the other posts what im saying is people do have a choice............

[SouthernComfort]

Some deaths are a lot more unpleasant than others. I think we, as a society, should all be concerned when a helpless creature is subjected to unnecessary cruelty in the name of a silly superstition.

I'm curious, what type of issues in the world today upset or concern you?

Correct answer would be the slaughter of other human beings but to be honest other than innocent kids I couldn't really care less.
Personally the Government's agenda, the state of the education system, lack of investment and funding, what I'm having for dinner etc, all concern me much more.

[lagerland]

I know you believe you understand what you think i said
BUT
I an not sure you realise that what you heard is not what i meant !

[MrFug]

I know you believe you understand what you think i said
BUT
I an not sure you realise that what you heard is not what i meant !

Wut... /head explode

In cattle & sheep, the stunning process effectivley kills the animal. The bolt gun irreversibly destroys brain tissue, but leaves the brain stem intact so the heart still beats, and the blood can flow out of the animal without clotting.

I think chicken slaughter generally uses an electrical stunning method to render the bird deeply unconscious and insensitive to pain. Although captive bolt guns and beheading is also used.

I've read conflicting reports about the Halal method. Some state that the animal should not be stunned before it's throat is cut, and others claim that stunning is permissable.

[Snowy79]

If we weren't meant to eat pigs they wouldn't have been made of meat. On a serious note as long as something is dead before I eat it that's probably the only criteria for my food. Idealy the less painful the better. As for draining blood to get rid of toxins etc I'm afraid you'll not get rid of the blood in the capiliaries. You'll be lucky to get rid of 1/3rd of the blood by draining.

[oneman]

I think chicken slaughter generally uses an electrical stunning method to render the bird deeply unconscious and insensitive to pain. Although captive bolt guns and beheading is also used.

I've read conflicting reports about the Halal method. Some state that the animal should not be stunned before it's throat is cut, and others claim that stunning is permissable.

Chickens are generally hung upside down by their feet on a moving conveyor. The are then dipped in a electrified bath which is supposed to stun them unconscious, doesn't always work. Then they pass a blade which slits their throats, sometimes it missed. Somebody is supposed to be monitoring this process and manually slit the throat of any chicken that missed the blade. Then they are left hanging for the blood to drain away before being dipped in boiling water to loosen their feathers.

This is what is supposed to happen in UK. Most cheap chicken (as used in catering trade and value brand in supermarkets) is from eastern europe and asia. As you can imagine the chicken has probably lead an awful life until its slaughtered in the cheapest way possible.

I would probably be more concerned about how the chicken has been reared rather then the few seconds of the slaughter process.

BTW, there is nothing in the process I have described that is any different in halal meat. I believe they playback holy blessing via loudspeaker as the throats are slit.

[Grizz]

Chickens are generally hung upside down by their feet on a moving conveyor. The are then dipped in a electrified bath which is supposed to stun them unconscious, doesn't always work. Then they pass a blade which slits their throats, sometimes it missed. Somebody is supposed to be monitoring this process and manually slit the throat of any chicken that missed the blade. Then they are left hanging for the blood to drain away before being dipped in boiling water to loosen their feathers.

i used to work in a chicken processing plant, this is spot on.

As for the cattle, i knew a dude that used do the cutting in a halal factory. Animals werent stunned but chained ready to be lifted as soon as he cut the throat. i think he mentioned that there was a guy there doing a blessing for the animal.

Halal or Haram, it all tastes excellent to me!

[oneman]

i used to work in a chicken processing plant, this is spot on.

As for the cattle, i knew a dude that used do the cutting in a halal factory. Animals werent stunned but chained ready to be lifted as soon as he cut the throat. i think he mentioned that there was a guy there doing a blessing for the animal.

Halal or Haram, it all tastes excellent to me!

My sis used to go out with a guy whose family ran an halal abattoir. I know the place they owned definitely stunned the animal with electric prongs (they looked like big pair of calipers) then hung it before slittings its throat. Only difference I believe is that regular abattoir I believe uses a captive bolt gun to 'kill' the animal and then slit its throat.

It may well be that not all places follow this procedure and there is less halal meat being slaughtered then sold I have been told so don't believe everything you read. I am pretty certain that many takeaways claim to use halal meat but buy cheap meat from asia/eastern europe where it would not surprise me that animals are not stunned before being slaughtered. There is a video shot in china of a dog being skinned alive for example.