THE HIGHEST EARNERS

**Meat-Head** · 1 May, 2011, 09:41

think of the tax their paying

**super jumbe** · 1 May, 2011, 10:03

Now we now know were our national insurance contribution money is spent, how the system is administrated, why do we have to pay extra.
1. Gap in your National Insurance contribution
2. Voluntary contribution and topping up
3. Do you need to top up your National

1. The lowest if we work out @ ?200,000 a year each fat cat annum
2. 46 fat cats @ 9,200,000.00 annum

Do they deserve all this wages, when they have already caused so much sufferings in our NHS, long waiting times, no bed in the hospital, pay for hospital car parks, etc.
About time NHS and our Govt should over hall the system.

**Shady** · 1 May, 2011, 10:09

i personally have never had a problem with the nhs..
lets make a little comparison here..
According to the federal Agency for Health Quality and Research, the average cost of an uncomplicated vaginal birth in the hospital in the US (prenatal care included) is around $7,500
that converts to ?4,490.48.
would you rather pay this than ?5 a day parking?
so WHAT if the top men earn a fair whack? a lot of that goes back into the system and helps among others, the NHS!
the above cost was for a simple birth..try and find out how much something proper serious like a cancer operation/chemo costs in other countries..fed up of people slagging the nhs

**super jumbe** · 1 May, 2011, 10:50

That?s your opinion shadyback, there are thousands our there crying out load when they have been refused cancer drugs, heart operations and have already died, I personally never had any problem yet because I have no medical symptoms but when you read the papers thousands on waiting list and if one day we may be in that situation when it will be to let to talk about.
In America they have private medical insurance for those who can afford when the treatment is done on demand, no waiting time issues, I think we should all have it hear in UK.

**smirnoff_rules** · 1 May, 2011, 11:00

Originally posted by super jumbe

That***8217;s your opinion shadyback, there are thousands our there crying out load when they have been refused cancer drugs, heart operations and have already died, I personally never had any problem yet because I have no medical symptoms but when you read the papers thousands on waiting list and if one day we may be in that situation when it will be to let to talk about.
In America they have private medical insurance for those who can afford when the treatment is done on demand, no waiting time issues, I think we should all have it hear in UK.

and most in the US have it deducted from there wage and its about $80 a week , dont think most would be happy about that over here as our cost of living is twice that of the yanks

**Evastar** · 1 May, 2011, 11:07

we have a two tier system here in ireland, it doesn't work particularly well. in fact if anything it slows down the public waiting list even more, because the people paying private jump the queue and take up the beds.

the fact is if you need an emergency operation you will get it, public or private. what it comes down to after that is who they will send the bill to.

i would love to be an nhs patient and get to see the doctor for free, we have to pay ?50 euro here every time we want to see a gp, plus pay for any meds. it can really build up if you are sick for any length of time

**cablefreejunkie** · 1 May, 2011, 11:36

the pay seems far too much too me,how can they be earning more than the man that runs the country,seems crazy
no matter who you speak to everyone has a different tale to tell when it comes to the nhs,me included,i have been to hospital a few times and received excellent care,my dad and my sister on the otherhand had a complete nightmare at the hands of the nhs
bring back matrons and cut down on management,half these top earners do not have a clue how to run the nhs and are only in the job due to being head hunted from another high earning position
time for change me thinks

**thered** · 1 May, 2011, 11:43

Originally posted by super jumbe

That***8217;s your opinion shadyback, there are thousands our there crying out load when they have been refused cancer drugs, heart operations and have already died, I personally never had any problem yet because I have no medical symptoms but when you read the papers thousands on waiting list and if one day we may be in that situation when it will be to let to talk about.
In America they have private medical insurance for those who can afford when the treatment is done on demand, no waiting time issues, I think we should all have it hear in UK.

all comes down to money we could have a healthcare service the best in the world with the best doctors and the best nurses in the world we could employ world renowned surgeons and provide all the up to the minute drugs that are available

the question is do you want to pay 40% tax instead for something you may never need ?

i agree with shady we have IMO in the main a largely decent system that works. It is the biggest employer in britain it is payed for by the private secotor business and employees like all services

what is the price of health ?

should we pay ?10,000 to keep someone alive an extra 3 month is it worth it?

it might sound calous but we need people to die part of our problems in this country is we are just in a vicious circle of which there is no end

NHS costs billions it then keeps more people alive which then costs doubly billions in pensions ect and then other health problems they develop as they get older

quite simply our country is ~~~~ed with an expanding population and and an expanding number of governmant employees and services that is payed for by a private sector that is shrinking year on year

the only way forward is growth of the private sector to be much bigger than the public sector as it pays its ~~~~in wages

quite how that will happen i am not sure the government seems to think paying private companies to take over public services is better i am not sure how when they come from the same purse

i can see lots of unrest over the coming years the country is pretty ~~~~ed up and i dont see any easy solutions

labour say spend our way out and keep all the jobs it is the jobs labour created that are part of the problem they all need paying for by somebody else the public sector is huge

how the ~~~~ is keeping a council employee on ?30,000 a year helping the economy

yes he might pay taxes and he might spend some of it that goes back into the economy

but its the economy that give him the ?30000 in the first place

so ask yourself this what is better for the economy

the doctor on ?100,000
the teacher on ?50,000
the nurse on ?30,000
the bin man on ?30.000
the soldier on ?24.000

or them all on job seekers allowance of ?65 a week

i think you will find its JSA and thats why the country is ~~~~ed because we are dependant on governmant services with a shrinking private sector to pay for it

**oneman** · 1 May, 2011, 14:20

Originally posted by super jumbe

That?s your opinion shadyback, there are thousands our there crying out load when they have been refused cancer drugs, heart operations and have already died, I personally never had any problem yet because I have no medical symptoms but when you read the papers thousands on waiting list and if one day we may be in that situation when it will be to let to talk about.
In America they have private medical insurance for those who can afford when the treatment is done on demand, no waiting time issues, I think we should all have it hear in UK.

In case you have not noticed you have the choice of private health cover in the UK already.

People die in the US because they can't afford health care. Plain and simple, no if's, no buts. Also thousands every year go bankrupt because of medical bills.

You get some level of health care if you work because your employer legally has to provide health cover but even that can be very basic.

**super jumbe** · 1 May, 2011, 15:16

The question is regarding the fat cat earners.
The bottom line is when we should pay the huge amount of wages for the people on the top; the answer is when the system is running smooth, if this was a private sector I would have sacked the lot, its not working for the purpose.
They want to keep it that way they should be paid the same wage as we are paid @?1,500 annum and not ?200,000.

**Meat-Head** · 1 May, 2011, 17:26

Originally posted by shadyback

is around $7,500
that converts to ?4,490.48.

the above cost was for a simple birth..try and find out how much something proper serious like a cancer operation/chemo costs in other countries.e nhs

Do you have a currant price on a labotomy or 'tree panning'
thanks

OFF TOPIC:-

When you pay your 1000 council tax, that 'only' pays for one dumbass worker for a month.
hth

meat

**Grizz** · 1 May, 2011, 17:47

Originally posted by Meat-Head

Do you have a currant price on a labotomy or 'tree panning'
thanks

OFF TOPIC:-

When you pay your 1000 council tax, that 'only' pays for one dumbass worker for a month.
hth

meat

Why pay when you can................

**little pob** · 1 May, 2011, 19:07

Not going to bury this; I work for the NHS - in an "evil" admin position no less (not at management level mind).

It's unfair to include Monitor as they are independent of the NHS and the Department of Health. For those that don't know what they do, they are the Foundation Trust "watchdog".

Average wage in the NHS is ?25k. Wages account for 70-75% of the NHS's annual expenditure. Just over 50% of that figure is nurses wages. Management in the NHS accounts for 3% of staff - though, admittedly, the bulk of them will be on more than the ?25k average.

As to charging to park the car; the local hospital trust was spending over ?800,000 a year just on car park maintenance before they introduced paid parking for visitors and staff. That was nearly ?1m a year not being spent on patient care. Free hospital car parks tend to be abused. Out of town hospitals, such as the one I work at, have commuters using their car parks as park-and-ride facilities (or to walk their dog in the surrounding area). In turn town/city centre hospitals with free parking have their car parks abused by people going shopping.

**Bulld0g** · 1 May, 2011, 19:36

Originally posted by Evastar

i would love to be an nhs patient and get to see the doctor for free, we have to pay ?50 euro here every time we want to see a gp, plus pay for any meds. it can really build up if you are sick for any length of time

So your saying you have to pay 50 euros everytime you want to see a GP and then pay prescription charges too ?

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