New wave of national strikes on way

[racin-snake]

my personal belief is that they do not want your children to be educated !

they do get some violent pupils as they did 25 odd years ago when i was at school
the whole thing about removing any form of punishment enhanced this and brought it to a crescendo .

they get slightly less holidays than santa himself and they are salaried too

in comparison society's ~~~~ed... doctors and nurses face the same threats (if not more)
for less money (for the nurses) and less holidays for both ?

be nice to see the actual top teachers and ministers ect capped too then?
in all fairness the front line shouldn't take the full hit it should in my opinion the burden must be shared
it really isn't fair the way things are
ime not in any way saying go to a communist type state but incentives to fairness should be addressed

just my take but it is based on facts !

and yes the bankers here and offshore are making huge profits f*cking the tax payer in every orifice and walking away with ~~~~in bailout money ?
why aint this addressed ??????????????????????????????

[GastonJ]

I hope the government do not give in to the unions demands as it is the tax payer that has got to pay the pensions no body begrudges the lower paid having a small council pension .Public pensions should be based on average earnings so everyone gets the same why should the chief ex get 30 times more than the cleaner her /his food cost the same .Remember a lot of public pensions are paid out of the council tax so when a pensioner with a little savings or a working family finding it hard to make ends meet pays there council tax 26% goes on paying the over generous public pensions. My little private pension I took out have been stolen by that arsehole Brown I do not remember the loony left union leaders worrying about that.

Do you believe everything the government says?

People have been paying into their pensions for years, around 6% in a lot of cases, their employer (for instance the NHS), pays their share also - same as any employer. The problem is that the money isn't invested for pensions and never has been. The governments over the years have taken the cash and just spent it to prop themselves up and give tax cuts.

That's why the taxpayer is having to make up for it. That is not the fault of the public sector workers, it's governments doing a Capt Bob on money that was paid by people on the promise that they would get their pensions, not to be ripped off like they are now.

All in all the government are doing a fine job of propaganda telling everyone that the taxpayer is 'having to pay for public sector pensions... they forgot the add the line "because we took the money *they* paid in and spent it".

How would you like it if your employer took your pension contributions and spent it rather than investing the money? Would you be happy about it.... or would you take action?

[bobwill]

Do you believe everything the government says?

People have been paying into their pensions for years, around 6% in a lot of cases, their employer (for instance the NHS), pays their share also - same as any employer. The problem is that the money isn't invested for pensions and never has been. The governments over the years have taken the cash and just spent it to prop themselves up and give tax cuts


That's why the taxpayer is having to make up for it. That is not the fault of the public sector workers, it's governments doing a Capt Bob on money that was paid by people on the promise that they would get their pensions, not to be ripped off like they are now.

All in all the government are doing a fine job of propaganda telling everyone that the taxpayer is 'having to pay for public sector pensions... they forgot the add the line "because we took the money *they* paid in and spent it".

How would you like it if your employer took your pension contributions and spent it rather than investing the money? Would you be happy about it.... or would you take action?

Gordon brown did steal the bulk of my pension
and no body cared about that so why should I
care if every body with a large public secter pension
loose a small part of it.

[flyingpig]

The pension comparison that they had on Sky and BBC the other day made a mockery of everything the government was saying about public sector pensions - They had a comparison between a seargeant in the police and an accountant in the private sector the seargeant did get 21k per year as opposed to the 15k per year the accountant would get - but - and it is a big but - the police seargeant paid ?400 a month into his pension whereas the private sector paid ?200 per month. They where both on the same salary.

Also, anyone who says that public sector workers are on the same salary as the equivalent in the private sector are talking through their arses....

[Snowy79]

What ever hapens with pensions we'll never win. If they keep the Pensions as they are they will just find someway to bill us to cover the extra cost. Rather than make people pay an extra couple of pounds per day into their pensions they will just up fuel costs, NI, tax basic necessities etc.

Once they've hammered the benefit scroungers as much as they can due to skivers rights the only people left to hit with the costs will be the middle class workers. The big money earners will just pay accountants to move the money around to limit how much they pay.

[bobwill]

The pension comparison that they had on Sky and BBC the other day made a mockery of everything the government was saying about public sector pensions - They had a comparison between a seargeant in the police and an accountant in the private sector the seargeant did get 21k per year as opposed to the 15k per year the accountant would get - but - and it is a big but - the police seargeant paid ?400 a month into his pension whereas the private sector paid ?200 per month. They where both on the same salary.

Also, anyone who says that public sector workers are on the same salary as the equivalent in the private sector are talking through their arses....

A police sargent does 30 years service then he gets full pension so if he started in police force say at 25 (most start at 20) he pays 30 years at ?400 per month which = ?144000
An accountant starts work say at 25 he works till 65 which makes 40 years at ?200 per month which =?96000
Say they both live till 80 years old police retired at 55 so he draws pension for 25 years at ?21000 =?525000
the accountant draws pension for 15 years at ?15000 =?225000
the police sarge pays in ?144000 and draws out ?525000
the accountant pays in?96000 and draws out ?225000
any body who think the public sector are hard done by are talking out of their arse

[Snowy79]

My one bug bear with strikes is the way the Leaders stir up the workers to go on strike. Some of these workers are already struggling to pay their bills and lose money yet the Fat Cat Union Leaders keep drawing their wages. Where's the Solidarity in that.

[Lainie]

2 people sticking up for public sector workers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

am i dreaming?????????????????????????????

[flyingpig]

A police sargent does 30 years service then he gets full pension so if he started in police force say at 25 (most start at 20) he pays 30 years at ?400 per month which = ?144000
An accountant starts work say at 25 he works till 65 which makes 40 years at ?200 per month which =?96000
Say they both live till 80 years old police retired at 55 so he draws pension for 25 years at ?21000 =?525000
the accountant draws pension for 15 years at ?15000 =?225000
the police sarge pays in ?144000 and draws out ?525000
the accountant pays in?96000 and draws out ?225000
any body who think the public sector are hard done by are talking out of their arse

People in public sector are now retiring at 65, long gone are the days of retiring early. Also you have to be in a public sector pension for 40 years before you are entitled to full benefits. Until that day it is worth a lot less.

[flyingpig]

2 people sticking up for public sector workers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

am i dreaming?????????????????????????????

Lainie - I would quite easily support public sector workers and march with them on any strike. Public sector workers are paid well less than there counterparts in the private sector. Although they get a benefit of a good pension - if the government take that away there will be no good people left in public sector as they will move to the private sector.

[Lainie]

Lainie - I would quite easily support public sector workers and march with them on any strike. Public sector workers are paid well less than there counterparts in the private sector. Although they get a benefit of a good pension - if the government take that away there will be no good people left in public sector as they will move to the private sector.

thank you.

believe me when i say its not an easy job for the ground level staff. the managers have a very cushy number. i work bloody hard for the wages i get yes some t&c's are good but you guys dont know the other side. i can assure you my annual pension will be nowhere near ?21000 and thats if i stick it till retirement age.

[racin-snake]

the other side is what's ?21000 gonna be buying when you get to that age ?

not much as far as things go its not a lot of money and soon to become even less

pensions aren't linked physically to inflation by a long shot

[GastonJ]

So *if* they move the pension age to 67 for all public sector workers as they want.... that means we'll have them all working until they're 67. All well and good, do you expect to have 67 year old ambulance drivers, firemen, policemen nurses and the like?

Bobwill, you're wrong, it is all governments that have taken the money from public sector pensions, the minute it's paid in, they always have - that's why there is no money invested. Had the money been invested, as it should have been, then the money would be there. Bob Maxwell obviously took a page out of the governments book and applied it to himself. Look what happened to him.

So why should the government be able to change the rules decades later to cover up for their own greed in taking and spending money people had invested in their pension?

[bobwill]

Bobwill, you're wrong, it is all governments that have taken the money from public sector pensions, the minute it's paid in, they always have - that's why there is no money invested. Had the money been invested, as it should have been, then the money would be there. Bob Maxwell obviously took a page out of the governments book and applied it to himself. Look what happened to him.

as I am self employed I was talking about my private pension and it was a tax robbing move he done on private pensions that hit me .it now looks like I will get about 3 to 4 thousand a year if I am luckly not the 10 thousand I was told when I took it out about 25 years ago . Some of this was down to the pension trossers altering what they pay . Any one who is thinking of getting a private pension remember the salesman want a big cut in commission for selling it to you The pension provider also wants to make a good living out of it.And dont forget the goverment they also want a good slice of the action.Unless your employer is going to match your contributions private pensions are not worth having. The accountants say pensions save you tax but forget to tell you that when you take it out you will get taxed as much as 50% .
I keep seeing MPs taking about nobody is saving for there pensions what they mean is if people stop taking out pensions how are they going to rob them

[GastonJ]

I have to agree with you on the private pension scheme. I saw a comment on the beeb website form someone who had been investing ?50 a month for 20 years and was complaining that it wouldn't be enough. Quite why someone would think ?50 a month would be enough is beyond me. Only thing I can think is that they had some bad advice back then.

2012 onwards every employee has to join a pension scheme (first for larger companies, then later for smaller companies), I dare say it's so they can eventually end the normal retirement pension scheme once everyone has 'joined'. The government are offering a scheme called NEST that employers can use if they don't run one of their own.

I dare say the government will 'look after' the money in the same way they have the contributions that public sector workers have paid in. Spend it then find someone to blame later when they have to pay out.