Bring back death penalty

[Snowy79]

I'm saying "I would prefer no innocent people to die" but as nothings perfect I'd rather the proven murderers etc be killed rather than freed to re-offend.

so your saying it would be acceptable for one innocent person to be executed to prevent the life of another innocent person being taken,
like I said i would prefer to have a debate about sentencing laws and the laws surrounding bail.

[racin-snake]

Interesting isn't it how many people strongly object to the idea of Sharia law whilst at the same time advocating our own brand of something remarkably similar !.

strange no similarities to sharia law have been made as any points here
as no one has asked for anyone to be stoned to death

biblical law has been said as in "eye for an eye"

but one good point that has been overlooked in shariah law is (depending on which set of laws for which tribe etc.
they are multi fractioned some are what we call extremists some are claimed moderate in our concept of law )
anyone who gives false testimony against someone should then be made to do the punishment for that crime

so if you say someone killed someone and you give witness
and are are caught perjuring
you then are put to death for lying ...as they would if they had not been caught lying

shariah law is just an interpretation of biblical law as we know it

both are one and the same with slight deviances from each other

just like in the west we have different laws for different regions and customs
these laws are sometimes very good at stopping false witness and so on
so i don't condemn these laws they work as good or as badly as ours do

just a difference in acceptance really

but i think lessons could be learned from Adab (morals and respect)

if you look its very complimentary to life in general

even covers domestic violence in sharia law

so not so bad as perceived really

back to the point though yes if proven conclusively the death penalty is an option IMHO

[GastonJ]

and how would you prove conclusively that someone was guilty? Carry out all the tests that you wish, as has been done in the past, and still years later people get found not guilty. Better to not kill one innocent person, since no apology can give them back their life after it's been taken.

Much as there are people who deserve to die for their crimes, a life sentence should mean being locked up for the rest of their life, no parole - and hard labour, not sat back in a cell doing nothing.

[TheCoder]

strange no similarities to sharia law have been made as any points here as no one has asked for anyone to be stoned to death

I was refering mostly to the calls for public humiliation/stocks/floggings etc which have been mentioned in this and other threads, and how similar such punishments are to certain aspects of Sharia law.

[racin-snake]

I was refering mostly to the calls for public humiliation/stocks/floggings etc which have been mentioned in this and other threads, and how similar such punishments are to certain aspects of Sharia law.

some parts of Britain used to birch the people for crimes
only repealed in 1948 for instance (not the so distant past )
and used in prisons after that

so 1868 was our last public hanging
and 1964 for a hanging (not in the public view)

not so far away then
stocks are not that i have noticed mentioned in sharia law

what similarities then there ?
and only a recent change on the corporal punishment in as far as historic events really like i say one and the same with regional differences or tribal in the Arab equation
biblical law and sharia law are very similar

yet sharia law is frowned on here as barbaric ....

here its condemned as barbaric and medieval there its culture and a way of life and religion

yet the west was quite happy to see Mr Hussain hang weren't they ...strange that

[HeadachesCase]

wow thats c razy

[MrFug]

I would rather we examine what causes a person to commit a violent crime, and start addressing those issues rather than implement such a final, reactionary punishment. Children and being raised today without discipline. They have no respect. They don't appreicate the consequences of their actions. They are being densensitised at an early age, and every generation shows less capacity for empathy than the last. Lazy, unprepared parents are creating legions of anti-soical, criminal adults.

[tshirtman]

back to the point though yes if proven conclusively the death penalty is an option IMHO

and the crux of the argument is absolute proof, in another thread you want absolute proof before you will accept man landed on the moon
I presume you would apply the same reasoning to the death sentence. so can you expand on what you mean by "conclusively",

[johnboy1974]

and the crux of the argument is absolute proof, in another thread you want absolute proof before you will accept man landed on the moon
I presume you would apply the same reasoning to the death sentence. so can you expand on what you mean by "conclusively",

i suppose the only conclusive proof would be a written confession by the accused. But then again didnt the guildford and birmingham ira bombers do that.

[racin-snake]

and the crux of the argument is absolute proof, in another thread you want absolute proof before you will accept man landed on the moon
I presume you would apply the same reasoning to the death sentence. so can you expand on what you mean by "conclusively",

yes, that would be the general idea conclusive without a doubt evidence and proof of the facts 100% as it is supposed to be in a court law at all times .

proven without a shadow of doubt !
to make sure testimony is proven and no perjury committed ..it would be unfair to use conjecture and false testimony or fitting up the accused

wouldnt it ?

circumstantial evidence IMHO is that entirely conjecture based on assumption and should not be allowed
too much room for here say and based on unproven facts to any satisfactory degree


so as to minimise miscarriages of justice isn't that what you would want Tshirtman ?

as for Gastonj fair point but that the quote below in fact proves the evidence against the accused is flawed and if so the information given to convict said person was in fact wrong then so not factual at all then it cannot be both true and untrue ...........either one or the other no grey areas !
and shows a miscarriage and flaws of the prosecution evidence then too

and how would you prove conclusively that someone was guilty? Carry out all the tests that you wish, as has been done in the past, and still years later people get found not guilty. Better to not kill one innocent person, since no apology can give them back their life after it's been taken.

carry out all the tests you wish but if there is a shred of doubt do not convict its the law and should be upheld
those who prosecuted should be punished for an insecure conviction like this
if in fact they are deemed to have falsified or not released or ignored evidence to secure a conviction without finding absolute facts
so this opinion satisfies me of one thing 100% proof or do not convict any doubts it should be a null conviction till evidence provides the answer...end off

[Canker_Canison]

If John Bird or Raoul Moat had lived after their killing sprees... They would be sentenced to death, as would Myra Hindley & Ian Brad.
The evidence shows, without doubt, that they were/are guilty of the crimes committed.

That's the type of evidence there needs to be to sentence someone to death.

[racin-snake]

add robert black 'ian huntley and peter sutcliffe all kept at the taxpayers expense !
to add id do the fnuckers myself if i got immunity from charge of murder and id still sleep no problem
tobin too ide love to put a round between his smirking bushy eyebrows
and i wouldn't even charge for it id pay all the travel cost too to do it too

[Vixen]

I am not sure to be honest about the death penalty it would have to be 100% that the person had committed murder. But what I do think should happen is that a life sentence should mean a life sentence not just a few years.Then if that person is innocent at least they have a chance to prove it. The law at the moment is a joke when it comes to sentencing criminals. Thats why there are so many crimes because they know damn well that the punishment wont fit the crime. I also think that when they are imprisioned that they shouldnt have it easy either ie a portable telly in their cell, dvd player and games consoles.They have more than some people who work hard for the pittance they take home and can only dream of owning some of these luxuries.

[D21198071]

death penalty...why not....sometimes we need it...