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  • dik
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    • Apr 2009
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    Try smokeless nicotine cigarettes, says government


    The vapour-creating electronic 'e-cigarette'. The government's nudge unit is encouraging smokers to use smokeless nicotone products. Photograph: Frederic J. Brown/AFP/Getty Images
    The government's "nudge unit" wants to encourage the use of smokeless nicotine cigarettes, banned in many countries around the world, in an attempt to reduce the numbers killed in the UK by smoking diseases each year.
    The Cabinet Office's behavioural insight team ? better known as the nudge unit ? wants to adopt the new technology because policy officials believe the rigid "quit or die" approach to smoking advice no longer works. Rather, they want nicotine addiction to be managed to help smokers who otherwise won't quit ? an approach the unit believes could prevent millions of smoking deaths. Ten million people in the UK smoke, and smoking claims 80,000 lives a year.
    The nudge unit's first annual report, published on Thursday, says the unit ? the first of its kind around the world ? has, in the face of criticism, implemented a series of measures they believe could save thousands of lives a year, as well as ?100m over the course of the next parliament.
    Ideas already being rolled out include "nudging" people to donate organs by asking someone to opt out rather than opt in when filling out an online driving licence application. The report also says the government is to change tax forms to tell people how many people in their area have paid their taxes ahead of them.
    Now the unit wants to explore and encourage new products that deliver nicotine to people's lungs but without the harmful toxins and carcinogens in tobacco smoke that kill.
    The annual report reads: "It will be important to get the regulatory framework for these products right, to encourage new products. A canon of behaviour change is that it is much easier to substitute a similar behaviour than to extinguish an entrenched habit (an example was the rapid switch from leaded to unleaded fuel). If alternative and safe nicotine products can be developed which are attractive enough to substitute people away from traditional cigarettes, they could have the potential to save 10,000s of lives a year."
    Current alternatives to smoking range from smokeless tobacco to the Swedish snuff-like product Snus, which is illegal in the UK. Versions of smoke-free cigarettes are illegal in Australia, and banned in Canada, Brazil, Singapore and Thailand because side-effects haven't been tested.
    But experts have advised the UK government that the nicotine contained in some new, smoke-free cigarettes is no more harmful than caffeine in coffee. A Cabinet Office source said: "A lot of countries are moving to ban this stuff; we think that's a mistake."
    John Britton, professor of epidemiology at the University of Nottingham, told the Guardian that on top of the current smokeless range ? which includes electronic or "e-cigarettes" that simulate smoking by producing an inhaled mist ? there are three or four devices in different stages of development. But he said some companies have been reluctant to develop this technology because they had expected it to be as tightly controlled as pharmaceutical drugs.
    Britton said: "If a manufacturer makes a health claim for anything then it becomes a drug, and drugs have to be regulated with tight controls. The current nicotine replacements are sold as drugs; however, e-cigarettes contain nicotine but get around this by making no health claim and so can be sold freely, but with little or no information on safety or standards. What we're asking for is a regulation change to bring all nicotine products into a light-touch regime that will guarantee reasonable purity and safety standards but make them as available as cigarettes in a shop."
    The Medicine and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is looking into approving these devices for use. If it finds in their favour, the government is likely to push for them to be placed prominently in shops alongside tobacco cigarettes, where they would be sold at a cheaper rate.
    The unit is keen to engage with those critics who believe its analysis and intervention in people's behaviour is "nanny statism".
    David Halpern, the unit's head, told the Guardian: "As with seatbelts and the smoking ban, these ideas were unpopular at first but after a while when you explain them to people, they understand and say, 'Yeah, alright then.'
    "A year in," Halpern added, "we're much more confident about how well this can work, and the early trials have also made us much more confident about public acceptability. There's no doubt it can save many lives and hundreds of millions of pounds. In fact, our problem has become that we have so many inquiries from across Whitehall, we have to turn down many of the requests for help."

    Try smokeless nicotine cigarettes, says government | Society | The Guardian
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  • pk.evolved
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    • Mar 2010
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    #2
    I thought that cock was an output device, not input.

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    • dik
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      • Apr 2009
      • 955

      #3
      Originally posted by pk.evolved
      I thought that cock was an output device, not input.
      If that's a comment about my sig, I'm having a dig at all those ~~~~ers that don't disable the stupid tapatalk signature that brags about their phone that no one cares about
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      • mickydibble
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        • Nov 2008
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        #4
        Regulated,regulated,regulated=== tax tax tax

        ****ers (

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        • dik
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          • Apr 2009
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          #5
          Originally posted by mickydibble
          Regulated,regulated,regulated=== tax tax tax

          ****ers (
          At least they're encouraging other smokers to come on board instead of banning them, also they said they want them sold alongside cigarettes at a cheaper price,(probably those disposable ones), if they become more mainstream then more competition means cheaper prices, and maybe pick up batteries etc at asda with a proper guarantee
          Last edited by dik; 15 September, 2011, 19:17.
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          • gmb45
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            • Nov 2008
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            if these efags where sold as dik said at asdas etc ( made really easy to get hold of ) then i can see a hell of a lot of peeps quitting the weed, as long as they was a good bit cheaper, imo these efags should be funded by the gov to some extent, after all they want us to quit, and they are always moaning about how much it costs the nhs to treat people with smoking related illnesses.
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            • dik
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              • Apr 2009
              • 955

              #7
              If the tobacco companies come on board we would get proper fag flavours too, I recently bought some drum e-juice bloody awful tasting shite
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              • cablefreejunkie
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                • Jul 2008
                • 1717

                #8
                Originally posted by gmb45
                if these efags where sold as dik said at asdas etc ( made really easy to get hold of ) then i can see a hell of a lot of peeps quitting the weed, as long as they was a good bit cheaper, imo these efags should be funded by the gov to some extent, after all they want us to quit, and they are always moaning about how much it costs the nhs to treat people with smoking related illnesses.
                they are obviously still making dollar at ?7 + a pack
                they have to be seen to be trying to make people quit,but not as far as selling them in asdas,that would serioulsy dent the exchequers pocket if millions were quitting,and we couldnt be having that now could we !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                • tshirtman
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 1345

                  #9
                  there's no doubt the government will bring in a nicotine duty, as it raises less from tobacco duty

                  especially if B.A.T (British American tobacco) jumps onto the e-cig bandwagon, which looks likely, see below.


                  Nicoventures | Home

                  Ownership

                  Nicoventures Limited is a stand-alone company within the British American Tobacco Group and will be managed separately from the tobacco businesses.


                  'Nicoventures Limited is a newly created start-up company whose objective is to provide a new choice to smokers looking for a safer alternative to cigarettes.

                  Nicoventures will focus exclusively on the development and commercialisation of innovative regulatory approved nicotine products that provide a consumer-acceptable alternative to cigarettes without the real and serious health risks of smoking.

                  We want to explore the development of innovative nicotine products that, subject to regulatory approval, will provide smokers with an alternative to cigarettes and a product they actually want to use.

                  Why are we different?
                  The UK Government?s recently updated public health strategy for England recognises there are many smokers who may not want to quit smoking but who want a safer alternative to cigarettes.

                  We believe that the products currently on the market today are not meeting the needs of these smokers.

                  That is why we have brought together scientists, regulatory specialists, innovators and communication experts from a wide range of backgrounds to work together with the aim of providing smokers with a safer alternative to cigarettes.

                  What?s the benefit for consumers?
                  We believe we can offer adult smokers a range of innovative regulatory approved nicotine products which will provide them with much of the experience they expect to get from a cigarette but without the real and serious health risks of smoking.'


                  Looks like the tobacco boys are going to push into the vaping world.....................well they don't want too much money going into other peoples pockets..........I don't think I like the idea, I'm sure they'll try to corner the market.
                  When they say this; 'We believe that the products currently on the market today are not meeting the needs of these smokers.
                  That is why we have brought together scientists, regulatory specialists, innovators and communication experts from a wide range of backgrounds to work together with the aim of providing smokers with a safer alternative to cigarettes.'
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                  • Johnner
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                    • Jun 2010
                    • 7069

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dik
                    If that's a comment about my sig, I'm having a dig at all those ~~~~ers that don't disable the stupid tapatalk signature that brags about their phone that no one cares about

                    AAAHHHH,It all becomes clear now !! I wondered what the ~~~~ that was about ?

                    Have to say,I like it though !
                    Aaahh ! I love the smell of Eeprom in the morning...

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                    • Shady
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 6404

                      #11
                      stop smoking, stop smoking, use patches, use tablets, use e-fags..
                      ~~~~ off big brother!!!
                      i LIKE smoking
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                      1: What the fff is all that about??? All that crap below your reply I mean, get a life mate
                      2: no info on google abt the pace sv5 rang asda they have no idea what i was talking about,
                      3: Your total contribution to this forum, bordering on trolling, seems to have been a collection of snipes, one liners & asterisked expletives





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                      • dik
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                        • Apr 2009
                        • 955

                        #12
                        I love to smoke too and if I hadn't discovered the e fags I'd still be smoking, these e fags are as good as the real thing, but without all the harm and you can use them in pubs, restaurants at work and anywhere smoking is banned
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                        • Johnner
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                          • Jun 2010
                          • 7069

                          #13
                          I smoked roll-ups for 14 years straight, very heavily,and just got up one morning and said ~~~~ it,that's enough.That was 8 years ago,and never looked back since !!
                          Aaahh ! I love the smell of Eeprom in the morning...

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                          • dik
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                            • Apr 2009
                            • 955

                            #14
                            Well done for that mate, I've been smoking 1/2 oz or more of baccy a day for 35 years until 3 weeks ago when I got my first e fag, not wanted another since
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                            • pk.evolved
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                              • Mar 2010
                              • 292

                              #15
                              Originally posted by dik
                              If that's a comment about my sig, I'm having a dig at all those ~~~~ers that don't disable the stupid tapatalk signature that brags about their phone that no one cares about
                              Whatever man, I just think that your sig is funny.

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