Stephen Lawrence: Gary Dobson and David Norris detained for life

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  • cablefreejunkie
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    • Jul 2008
    • 1717

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    Stephen Lawrence: Gary Dobson and David Norris detained for life

    Stephen Lawrence
    Gary Dobson and David Norris detained for life

    Two men convicted of the murder of Stephen Lawrence have been detained for a minimum of 15 years and two months and 14 years and three months.

    An Old Bailey jury found Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, guilty of the 1993 killing in south east London.

    The life terms on the pair were passed as if they were juveniles as both were under 18 when the black teenager died.

    The judge, Mr Justice Treacy, said the crime was committed for no other reason than racial hatred.

    Dobson will serve a minimum of 15 years and two months and Norris 14 years and three months.

    The judge said the resulting sentences were lower than some would expect "but I am constrained by Parliament".

    "The gravity of this case is high," the judge said. He said Mr Lawrence was completely blameless and helpless.

    Norris and Dobson were the first people convicted over the fatal attack on Mr Lawrence by a group of white youths near a bus stop in Eltham.

    Mr Justice Treacy described the crime as a "murder that scarred the nation".

    "I'm sure that you knew one of your group was armed with a knife that night," he told Dobson and Norris.

    He said it was "a brief but coordinated attack, a racist taunt, a charge and a swallowing up of Stephen Lawrence".

    "The evidence does not prove you had the knife, but the holder had it with your approval," he said. "It does not matter the knife was not in your hands. You - Dobson - repeatedly lied as part of group loyalty."

    Mr Justice Treacy said the encounter was chance not premeditated but that Norris and Dobson were prepared to attack if the opportunity arose.

    He said there could be no mitigation for contrition because none had been shown. He said the pair were streetwise and not immature when the crime was committed.
    Forensic evidence

    BBC correspondents said the press benches were packed for the sentencing and there was a huge line for the public gallery. The courtroom had to be rearranged to allow members of Stephen Lawrence's family to attend and Mr Justice Treacy allowed some journalists to stand.

    The prosecution had relied on new forensic evidence after an earlier case was dropped and a private prosecution by the Lawrence family against three men - including Dobson - failed.

    Scientists conducting a review of the case in 2007 found a tiny bloodstain on Dobson's jacket that could only have come from Mr Lawrence. They also found a single hair belonging to the teenager on Norris's jeans. The scientists recovered the material from evidence the police had held all along using advanced techniques which were not available to the original case

    Dobson and Norris denied murdering Mr Lawrence and said their clothing had been contaminated as police mixed up evidence over the years. Detectives spent months establishing the movements and handling of the exhibits since 1993 - and the jury were told that contamination was implausible.

    Ahead of sentencing, counsel for Dobson had said there was no evidence he had been the leader or prime motivator of the group that attacked the teenager.

    Norris's counsel repeated his client's pleas of innocence - and revealed his client had been beaten up while on remand at Belmarsh prison, suffering a broken nose and four broken ribs.
    'Rosa Parks moment'

    Police arrested Dobson and Norris and three other suspects in the months after Mr Lawrence's murder in April 1993 but the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) dropped the case, saying the evidence of a key witness was unreliable.

    The CPS later said fresh evidence presented by the Lawrence's barrister was not sufficient for a new prosecution and the family launched a private prosecution against Gary Dobson and two others, which failed.

    An inquest later delivered a verdict of unlawful killing "in a completely unprovoked racist attack by five youths" and in 1999 a public inquiry into the case led to the Metropolitan Police being branded institutionally racist.

    Matthew Ryder QC represented the Lawrence family in its civil claim against the police. He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that the Lawrence case was a "Rosa Parks moment" for British society.

    "It was a moment when you saw the victims of injustice fighting for justice and the system letting them down and I think for that reason it profoundly changed how we view race and racism within this society," Mr Ryder said.

    "On the face of it - it was a crude, violent form of racism - which every reasonable person would condemn - but what followed on from that, what's always been part of the Lawrence case, was the pernicious, systemic forms of racism which caused the investigation to fail."

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    The former commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Lord Blair told Today that the case had seen police move from a "colour-blind" approach to policing to one which understood the previous experiences and expectations held by different communities.

    He said that after the case Scotland Yard also formed dedicated homicide units, which lead to a falling murder rate and rise in convictions.

    "The legacy of Stephen Lawrence is just of the most enormous change possible in policing."

    Lord Blair said the Metropolitan Police would never give up on the case: "They know there are a number of suspects and they know the identity of those suspects and over time loyalties change and people who might once have protected these people might not be doing so in a few years time."

    At a media conference on Wednesday, Met Police Comissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe said: "The other people involved in the murder of Stephen Lawrence should not rest easily in their beds."

    Police have said they could reopen the investigation if new evidence emerges.

    at last,some justice for the lawrence family
    The control of information is the consolidation of power

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  • super jumbe
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    • Dec 2008
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    #2
    Bet their Mates are a bit worried now.

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    • cablefreejunkie
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      • Jul 2008
      • 1717

      #3
      so they should be
      ,after the almighty ~~~~ up by the met police,, its taken over 18 years to get 2 sentenced
      whats the chance of them telling the police who the other 4 were
      ~~~~ all chance imho
      they wont get there sentences reduced so what have they got to gain by giving the police 4 names ? they showed absolutely no remorse whatsoever during the whole trial,, a racially motivated murder by a bunch of no good scumbags,,the whole of south east london knew exactly who had done it but still the police never followed it up for years
      today the lawrence family got a little bit of justice
      The control of information is the consolidation of power

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      • garry1312
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        • Oct 2010
        • 2178

        #4
        I think it is digusting that they were tried as juveniles even if they had been tried at the time of the incident they should have been charged like anyone else. Murder is murder whatever the age!


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        • smirnoff_rules
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          • Mar 2008
          • 8603

          #5
          l still cant get over the fact they never talked about this kid even when they had hidden cameras in there house for months ? seems strange that
          any information provided is for educational/experimental purposes only.

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          • cablefreejunkie
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            • Jul 2008
            • 1717

            #6
            Originally posted by smirnoff_rules
            l still cant get over the fact they never talked about this kid even when they had hidden cameras in there house for months ? seems strange that
            also seems very strange they changed there alibis 12 years later
            very strange that
            The control of information is the consolidation of power

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            • chalky 4
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              • Dec 2008
              • 288

              #7
              ?50 million wasted.

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              • nara
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                • May 2008
                • 2586

                #8
                Originally posted by chalky 4
                ?50 million wasted.
                I think you need to expand on that.
                He who laughs last probably didn't get the joke.

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                • cablefreejunkie
                  DK Veteran
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 1717

                  #9
                  Originally posted by chalky 4
                  ?50 million wasted.
                  you can blame the met police for that,,time and time again they failed to do there job correctly,,they are after all public servants,,
                  the fact is that one of those 5 pieces of scum,had a high profile drug smuggling father,who ,using his money and contacts,knobbled every police investigation,,it was common knowledge the 5 of them had murdered,,but time and time again the case was dropped
                  police corruption of the highest order,,
                  they should of got 30 years each,lets hope the other 3 murderers are brought to justice
                  The control of information is the consolidation of power

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                  • super jumbe
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 11610

                    #10
                    The met police waited for those juveniles to grow to a stage were they can be tried in mans court to get the maximum sentence from the court.

                    It has now been proved no 1 is above the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    Did you know People will question all the good things they hear about you but believe all the bad without a second thought.

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                    • lagerland
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                      • Sep 2010
                      • 6031

                      #11
                      Y wait 18 years and still only got tried as juveniles SJ because of when the crime was commited they were under 18.............
                      I know you believe you understand what you think i said



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                      • super jumbe
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                        • Dec 2008
                        • 11610

                        #12
                        I think there is a wide gap between crown court and juvenile court if not I will be confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                        • cablefreejunkie
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                          • Jul 2008
                          • 1717

                          #13
                          Originally posted by super jumbe
                          The met police waited for those juveniles to grow to a stage were they can be tried in mans court to get the maximum sentence from the court.

                          It has now been proved no 1 is above the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                          i think you have got a bit confused here jumbe
                          basically the sentence that was passed down could only be the same sentence they would of got had they been tried when they were 17,,basically the judge was sentencing them as juveniles
                          as juveniles tried for murder the maximum a judge can give is 15 years,for an adult it can be up to 30 yrs
                          but now there is rumours that the sentence could be doubled due to the severity of the crime,,it was purely a non provoked racial attack
                          scum
                          The control of information is the consolidation of power

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                          • skegsagypsy
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                            • Aug 2009
                            • 1230

                            #14
                            If justice is ever seen to be done in this case, all those involved should be sent to prison for long terms, that would include all those who perverted the course of justice be they family members or Met officers or even Political representatives, this case has shown that there is corruption at every level, from the man on the street to the very highest echleons of what we believe to be the law!
                            'If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.'
                            -Bishop Desmond Tutu

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                            • cablefreejunkie
                              DK Veteran
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 1717

                              #15
                              Originally posted by skegsagypsy
                              If justice is ever seen to be done in this case, all those involved should be sent to prison for long terms, that would include all those who perverted the course of justice be they family members or Met officers or even Political representatives, this case has shown that there is corruption at every level, from the man on the street to the very highest echleons of what we believe to be the law!
                              that is our justice system,,basically the more money you have the better chance you have of walking free,,that to me is corruption aswell

                              i make you right skegsagypsy
                              The control of information is the consolidation of power

                              ?I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain?s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.? ? Nathan Rothschild



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