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  • firestorm
    V.I.P. Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 1550

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    Well done Richard Branson

    Virgin boss appears before Commons committee to argue for regulation of drug and diversion of resources to crime-fighting

    The market for cannabis in Britain should be regulated and taxed, and responsibility for drug policy moved from the Home Office to the health department, Sir Richard Branson has told MPs.

    The Virgin Group head said the 20% of police time and ?200m spent on giving criminal sentences to 70,000 young people for possession of illegal drugs in Britain each year would be better spent going after the criminal gangs at the centre of the drugs trade. "It's win-win all round,'' he told the Commons home affairs select committee.

    Asked about his personal history of drug use, Branson replied: "I would say 50% of my generation has smoked cannabis. I would say 75% of my children's generation has smoked cannabis ? If I was smoking cigarettes, I would be very worried."

    He said that in his own Virgin companies he did not think staff who were found to be taking drugs should be dismissed but instead treated as having a problem, and helped. "There are many people in companies with drink problems or smoking problems," he said.

    Branson was part of a global commission on drug policy, which includes five ex-presidents and Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general. The body concluded last year that the war on drugs had failed and called for experiments in decriminalisation.

    He was the first witness at the Commons home affairs inquiry into drug policy.

    Branson argued that the policy of switching responsibilty for drug policy from the Home Office to the health department had worked in Portugal, where nobody had been jailed for using or possessing drugs in the last 10 years.

    Portugal was the only country that had decriminalised all drugs. As a result of treating drug users rather than imprisoning them, he said, heroin use and heroin-related deaths had fallen by more than 50%.

    In Britain, 100,000 young people a year were arrested for drug offences, and 75,000 of them were given criminal records, which meant they had problems in later life in travelling to some countries, he said.

    "If next year those 100,000 people are not prosecuted for taking drugs, but they are helped, I think the commission would welcome Britain doing that."

    He said if the sale of cannabis and other drugs were regulated and taxed, then the quality of what was being taken could be controlled. He contrasted the lack of deaths in Portugal with the recent deaths of three teenagers in Britain from taking tablets they wrongly thought were ecstasy, citing the fatalities as an example of the consequences of failing to regulate the illegal market.

    The Virgin chief admitted he had not read the UK Home Office drug policy statement, which emphasises diverting drug users from prison, but said the 100,000 arrests each year were evidence the policy was not working in practice.

    Pressed by some Conservative MPs on the committee to come down on one side or the other in the debate over methadone maintenance versus abstinence, Branson said he was no expert, and it was for the MPs to establish what worked best.
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  • cablefreejunkie
    DK Veteran
    • Jul 2008
    • 1717

    #2
    Originally posted by firestorm
    Virgin boss appears before Commons committee to argue for regulation of drug and diversion of resources to crime-fighting

    The market for cannabis in Britain should be regulated and taxed, and responsibility for drug policy moved from the Home Office to the health department, Sir Richard Branson has told MPs.

    The Virgin Group head said the 20% of police time and ?200m spent on giving criminal sentences to 70,000 young people for possession of illegal drugs in Britain each year would be better spent going after the criminal gangs at the centre of the drugs trade. "It's win-win all round,'' he told the Commons home affairs select committee.

    Asked about his personal history of drug use, Branson replied: "I would say 50% of my generation has smoked cannabis. I would say 75% of my children's generation has smoked cannabis ? If I was smoking cigarettes, I would be very worried."

    He said that in his own Virgin companies he did not think staff who were found to be taking drugs should be dismissed but instead treated as having a problem, and helped. "There are many people in companies with drink problems or smoking problems," he said.

    Branson was part of a global commission on drug policy, which includes five ex-presidents and Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general. The body concluded last year that the war on drugs had failed and called for experiments in decriminalisation.

    He was the first witness at the Commons home affairs inquiry into drug policy.

    Branson argued that the policy of switching responsibilty for drug policy from the Home Office to the health department had worked in Portugal, where nobody had been jailed for using or possessing drugs in the last 10 years.

    Portugal was the only country that had decriminalised all drugs. As a result of treating drug users rather than imprisoning them, he said, heroin use and heroin-related deaths had fallen by more than 50%.

    In Britain, 100,000 young people a year were arrested for drug offences, and 75,000 of them were given criminal records, which meant they had problems in later life in travelling to some countries, he said.

    "If next year those 100,000 people are not prosecuted for taking drugs, but they are helped, I think the commission would welcome Britain doing that."

    He said if the sale of cannabis and other drugs were regulated and taxed, then the quality of what was being taken could be controlled. He contrasted the lack of deaths in Portugal with the recent deaths of three teenagers in Britain from taking tablets they wrongly thought were ecstasy, citing the fatalities as an example of the consequences of failing to regulate the illegal market.

    The Virgin chief admitted he had not read the UK Home Office drug policy statement, which emphasises diverting drug users from prison, but said the 100,000 arrests each year were evidence the policy was not working in practice.

    Pressed by some Conservative MPs on the committee to come down on one side or the other in the debate over methadone maintenance versus abstinence, Branson said he was no expert, and it was for the MPs to establish what worked best.


    if you think that will ever happen then im afraid you have been smoking too much high grade yourself
    there are far too many people in high places with their fingers in the pie to let the de-regulation and taxation of cannabis happen,,,why on earth if they think its such a great idea have they not done it before ?
    richard ~~~~in branson probably thinks he could patent cannabis and make another empire,,,"virgin skunk" springs to mind
    this will never ever happen
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    IF I HELPED HIT THE THANKS BUTTON

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    • firestorm
      V.I.P. Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 1550

      #3
      There has been changes to the Governments attitude to Cannabis this year.The Sentencing guidelines have been reviewed on the 24th jan and Courts will be told for the first time to reduce sentences for cannabis possession if it is being used for medicinal purposes.Also they have said That Low-level users caught with 6kg of cannabis are likely to receive a community sentence.These changes come in on the 21st feb 2012.
      Now this is now were near legal but thing are starting to change.The problem with trying to legalize cannabis is its not up to our government, yes they can decriminalize it like Holland,Portugal,Spain and a few more country's have done but they cant make it legal because of the UN Single Drugs Convention of 1961, to which every country in the UN has to follow.But there are starting to change there attitude at the UN a lot of important people have put there backing against the UN Single Drugs Convention of 1961.In fact the USA who was the main instigator of this policy.Have now allowed medical cannabis to sold and grown under license in certain states.All though it is still a federal offense.
      There is also a attitude amongst the uk cannabis community to stop taking cations for possession and going through the court system.This is costing a fortune to proses and is clogging the courts up and with jails near full.Some may see this as a waste of public money to which it is.
      Prohibition dose not work it has been proven time and time again.It only makes criminal richer.Why should a Herb that grows all over the planet and helps many many people cope with unbearable levels of pain be so persecuted.
      It may take time but things are changing.
      Last edited by firestorm; 2 February, 2012, 14:22. Reason: spellin mistake
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      • tshirtman
        V.I.P. Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 1345

        #4
        this was reported about 2 weeks ago, it was even discussed on Question Time, and every politician there said they would not be in favour of regulation and taxation of any illegal drugs,
        if it was going to happen it would have not have reclassified cannabis from C back to B, in 2009,
        it'll never happen, even Holland are closing a lot of coffee shops down and are banning tourist from buying weed in Amsterdam.
        !retupmoc eht ni deppart m'I !pleH

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        • firestorm
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          • Jul 2008
          • 1550

          #5
          The Holland situation is not of there own doings it because of Germany and Belgium putting pressure on the dutch government to stop people crossing over the boarder to coffee shops and taking weed back.So they have not banned coffe shop but made them for dutch nationals only.This only applies to the boarder towns not Amsterdam .The Mayor of Amsterdam is apposed to this and as not allowed it yet but is under pressure.And to be honest Amsterdam weed is no better than UK street weed.
          The reclassification of cannabis in this country was done under the last government.We now have the lib dem in shared power who are in favor of decriminalization.
          This is a long fight and there will be battle won and lost.
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          • Snowy79
            DK Veteran
            • Jan 2011
            • 1347

            #6
            There's enough paranoid people in the World without making money off the back of it. If the sad fnuks that need drugs to enjoy themselves can't find other ways of doing it why should they expect the majority of the public to put up with it.

            Of the half dozen guys I know that smoke cannabis they all admit at times they can't be arsed getting up for work and at times get wound up as they think people are talking about them.

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            • cablefreejunkie
              DK Veteran
              • Jul 2008
              • 1717

              #7
              Originally posted by Snowy79
              and at times get wound up as they think people are talking about them.
              we are talking about them on here
              The control of information is the consolidation of power

              ?I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain?s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.? ? Nathan Rothschild



              IF I HELPED HIT THE THANKS BUTTON

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              • firestorm
                V.I.P. Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 1550

                #8
                Originally posted by Snowy79
                There's enough paranoid people in the World without making money off the back of it. If the sad fnuks that need drugs to enjoy themselves can't find other ways of doing it why should they expect the majority of the public to put up with it.

                Of the half dozen guys I know that smoke cannabis they all admit at times they can't be arsed getting up for work and at times get wound up as they think people are talking about them.
                But how many people you know who use alcohol miss work through hangovers, cause fights make complete tits of them selves.For example In 2009/10, there were 1,057,000 alcohol related admissions to hospital.But yet this country majority of the public to put up with it.
                People have been using cannabis a lot longer than they have been using alcohol and yet it is impossible to overdose on cannabis as it dose not shut down the body's ability to control its vital functions unlike alcohol which is a toxin.
                Cannabis has a range of useful quality such as relives pian as well if not better than morphine with not addictive side effects in terminal ill cancer suffers.It helps MS suffers better than any prescribed drug.Stop the effects of glaucoma plus many more benefits which is to long a list for me to type.
                So why should these people have to put up with excruciating pain everyday when there is an easy natural relief.
                Last edited by firestorm; 2 February, 2012, 18:16.
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                • Snowy79
                  DK Veteran
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1347

                  #9
                  I fully agree with you firestorm about the alcohol issue and if I had any say in it anyone under the influence of alcohol should wave any rights to treatment by the NHS. I don't mean the odd beer but the piss heads you see most Friday and Saturday nights.

                  As for the pain relief benefits theres been pleny of medical tests and drugs produced which have all the benefits and few of the side effects of cannabis. It's hard to decipher the pros and cons of Cannabis as there's too much made up info for and against on the web.

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                  • tshirtman
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 1345

                    #10
                    and just to even it up a bit, I see the damage it does to young(mainly lads) mental health, the majority of young people in psychiatric hospitals are there suffering from drug induced psychosis, and the main drug of choice is cannabis, smoking weed under the age of 18 can effect the brains development, so it's not harmless.
                    I agree it does have some benefits for cancer sufferes like increasing there appetite. but I only see the negative side of the drug, and when you consider the average cost of keeping someone on a psychiatric unit is ?3k a week, it not cheap.
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                    • firestorm
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                      • Jul 2008
                      • 1550

                      #11
                      A lot of people only see cannabis as a stonner sat there eating chocolate talking shit yes that is one side.But cannabis contains 2 main property's THC(Tetrahydrocannabinol) and CBD (Cannabidiol).The one the stonners seem to like is THC which gives the high effect(some weed contains as much as 24%).But the CBD is the one that give pain relief and can be extracted quite easily as THC evaporates between 85 and 140 degrees c.The CBD has some side effect but the body can become used to this and allow a normal life.I have a good friend who has cancer and has tried everything the NHS has thrown at her with some quiet horrible side effect.NOw when she uses CBD she is can live a good life with out pain.I know it not a cure but the difference it makes to her life is quiet amazing.And because of the prohibition laws in this country she is now a criminal and this is so wrong she has never had so much as a parking ticket in her life.

                      There is a good site called uk420 if any one need more information about cannabis
                      Last edited by firestorm; 2 February, 2012, 19:55.
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                      • gizmo.1484
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                        • Apr 2008
                        • 873

                        #12
                        Everybody that i know that first started smoking cannabis has lead them to try other drugs. So i hope this never happens as i don't want any of my kids to think it's ok to smoke cannabis just because you can buy it over the counter...

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                        • Snowy79
                          DK Veteran
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1347

                          #13
                          My good mates wife is a community nurse and she agrees that in the last 10 years she's seen a ten fold increase in people with drug issues that have now got mental health issues and in almost every case the catalyst was cannabis. She also said her patients are getting younger.

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                          • johnboy1974
                            DK Veteran
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 3418

                            #14
                            Cannot agree with it one bit-A couple of my friends smoke it constantly.For me its addictive and makes them paranoid.
                            Idont worry about them when they are on it, i worry about them more when they can't get it. Cannabis is not harmless.

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                            • firestorm
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                              • Jul 2008
                              • 1550

                              #15
                              Originally posted by gizmo.1484
                              Everybody that i know that first started smoking cannabis has lead them to try other drugs. So i hope this never happens as i don't want any of my kids to think it's ok to smoke cannabis just because you can buy it over the counter...
                              That is a very good point. If cannabis was legal and bought over the counter in a controlled environment like in Holland.Then the kids would not be in touch with drug dealer pushing harder drugs.

                              Originally posted by Snowy79
                              My good mates wife is a community nurse and she agrees that in the last 10 years she's seen a ten fold increase in people with drug issues that have now got mental health issues and in almost every case the catalyst was cannabis. She also said her patients are getting younger.
                              That is another good example that prohibition is failing as in the last 10-15 years the levels of THC in cannabis have dramatically increased as the drug dealer try to sell stronger and stronger weed to increase profits.In Switzerland they have restricted the levels of THC and it seems to work.
                              There is no way Cannabis is going to go away and the government berrying there heads in the sand and making other wise law abiding citizens into criminals is failing. Something needs to be done.As Richard Branson quoted that over country's are having less problems by ending cannabis prohibition.
                              Last edited by firestorm; 2 February, 2012, 22:35.
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