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  • gmb45
    Admin Assistant
    • Nov 2008
    • 7538

    #1

    Ban smoking in beer gardens...

    ...to stop social smokers from lighting up, experts say

    ffs

    The smoking ban should be extended to beer gardens and areas outside pubs and bars to tackle a rise in 'social smoking', a group of experts has said.

    Researchers claim that while the number of people smoking has dropped overall, there has actually been an increase in the number of people who light up intermittently or only in given situations.

    Professor Janet Hoek, of the University of Otago in New Zealand, said: 'Introducing smoke-free outdoors bars could reduce social smoking by removing cues that stimulate this behaviour and changing the environment that facilitates it.

    Researchers claim that since the ban came into effect, the number of social smokers has actually risen

    'Such a policy would eliminate the current intersection between smoke-free and smoking spaces and create a physical barrier that, for some, would make accessing the smoking zone too difficult.'

    A test group of 13 people who identified themselves as social smokers aged between 19 and 25 discovered that they found it difficult to reconcile their stated identity as non-smokers who smoke.

    They managed this conflict by limiting where and when they smoked and by sharply differentiating themselves from 'addicted' smokers to whom, by and large, they felt superior, using several strategies.
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    FIVE YEARS OF SMOKE FREE WORKPLACES


    A workplace smoking ban, which includes pubs, came into effect across the UK between 2006 and 2007.

    Scotland was the first country on March 26, 2007, and England the last on July 1, 2007, following the Health Act 2006.

    Before the ban there was a significant decline in the number of people who smoked but among men figures show that the number levelled out and among women there was actually a small increase.

    There are exemptions to the workplace ban such as prisons, nursing homes and television sets or stages if it is needed for a performance.

    ------------------------------------

    These included claiming never to smoke alone; asserting that they controlled when, where, and how much they smoked; and defining their smoking as 'a temporary phase.'

    They also rationalised their smoking by saying that it only happened when they had been drinking, describing smoking and drinking as going 'hand in hand.'

    Some said that alcohol prompted cravings for a cigarette, which they wouldn't otherwise experience.

    However, alcohol also enabled them to absolve themselves of any responsibility for their actions, which they inevitably subsequently regretted.

    Drinking therefore enabled them to 'binge smoke,' while also distancing them from this behaviour, so helping to maintain their 'non-smoker' persona.

    One respondent commented: 'Some nights I can smoke 14 or 15 ciggies or a pack while I'm drinking, but I can never do that without alcohol.'

    The number of people smoking has dropped significantly since 1948

    Defiant: In 2007 Hamish Howitt appeared at court for flouting the smoking ban law at his pub in Blackpool

    When asked for their views on mandating smoke free areas outside bars, which could help decouple smoking and drinking, all but one participant strongly backed this proposal, and indicated that it would help them cut down or stop smoking.

    Martin Dockrell, director of research and policy at health campaign group Ash, said: 'The argument for smoke-free legislation wasn't about getting people to quit, it was about protecting people from second hand smoke.

    'This is about getting people to stop smoking so the arguments are very different.

    'Before taking such action we would like to see more evidence.

    We have jurisdictions elsewhere, such as New York, that are introducing more widespread bans and it will be interesting to see if that affects the number of smokers.'

    The research was published online in the journal Tobacco Control.

    Soon after the smoking ban came into effect across England, pub landlord Hamish Howitt became the first person to be prosecuted under the legislation.

    Six regulars at the Happy Scots bar in Blackpool were handed ?50 fixed penalty tickets for smoking at the bar and he said he would pay the fines on their behalf.

    He remained defiant and in 2008 had his premises licence revoked.
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    Ban smoking in beer gardens to stop social smokers from lighting up, experts say | Mail Online
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  • Shady
    Shite Link King
    • Dec 2010
    • 6404

    #2
    yet again treated as second class citizens when its US helping to keep the country afloat with tobacco tax,
    we should all stop, lets see how much moaning there is when tobacco tax is absorbed into council/income tax etc. ~~~~ers
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    • xant14
      V.I.P. Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 2062

      #3
      I think smokers should have to smoke outside pubs in winter, and inside in summer.

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      • manxspud
        DK Veteran
        • Jul 2009
        • 1768

        #4
        I think they should ban drinking in beer gardens to cut down on the steady increase of social drinking

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        • gmb45
          Admin Assistant
          • Nov 2008
          • 7538

          #5
          Originally posted by manxspud
          I think they should ban drinking in beer gardens to cut down on the steady increase of social drinking
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          • ezzda1
            Top Poster
            • Jul 2009
            • 172

            #6
            they can **** right off,
            it goes against my basic human right to choose myself.
            none smokers have inside, they can **** off if they want outside too.
            I Don't drive, and I don't want to be breathing shitty petrol fumes so can we ban petrol and diesel cars please???????
            they are bad for our health and environment.
            ~~~~in muppets.

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            • cablefreejunkie
              DK Veteran
              • Jul 2008
              • 1717

              #7
              Originally posted by gmb45
              ...to stop social smokers from lighting up, experts say

              ffs

              The smoking ban should be extended to beer gardens and areas outside pubs and bars to tackle a rise in 'social smoking', a group of experts has said.

              Researchers claim that while the number of people smoking has dropped overall, there has actually been an increase in the number of people who light up intermittently or only in given situations.

              Professor Janet Hoek, of the University of Otago in New Zealand, said: 'Introducing smoke-free outdoors bars could reduce social smoking by removing cues that stimulate this behaviour and changing the environment that facilitates it.

              Researchers claim that since the ban came into effect, the number of social smokers has actually risen

              'Such a policy would eliminate the current intersection between smoke-free and smoking spaces and create a physical barrier that, for some, would make accessing the smoking zone too difficult.'

              A test group of 13 people who identified themselves as social smokers aged between 19 and 25 discovered that they found it difficult to reconcile their stated identity as non-smokers who smoke.

              They managed this conflict by limiting where and when they smoked and by sharply differentiating themselves from 'addicted' smokers to whom, by and large, they felt superior, using several strategies.
              ----------------------------------
              FIVE YEARS OF SMOKE FREE WORKPLACES


              A workplace smoking ban, which includes pubs, came into effect across the UK between 2006 and 2007.

              Scotland was the first country on March 26, 2007, and England the last on July 1, 2007, following the Health Act 2006.

              Before the ban there was a significant decline in the number of people who smoked but among men figures show that the number levelled out and among women there was actually a small increase.

              There are exemptions to the workplace ban such as prisons, nursing homes and television sets or stages if it is needed for a performance.

              ------------------------------------

              These included claiming never to smoke alone; asserting that they controlled when, where, and how much they smoked; and defining their smoking as 'a temporary phase.'

              They also rationalised their smoking by saying that it only happened when they had been drinking, describing smoking and drinking as going 'hand in hand.'

              Some said that alcohol prompted cravings for a cigarette, which they wouldn't otherwise experience.

              However, alcohol also enabled them to absolve themselves of any responsibility for their actions, which they inevitably subsequently regretted.

              Drinking therefore enabled them to 'binge smoke,' while also distancing them from this behaviour, so helping to maintain their 'non-smoker' persona.

              One respondent commented: 'Some nights I can smoke 14 or 15 ciggies or a pack while I'm drinking, but I can never do that without alcohol.'

              The number of people smoking has dropped significantly since 1948

              Defiant: In 2007 Hamish Howitt appeared at court for flouting the smoking ban law at his pub in Blackpool

              When asked for their views on mandating smoke free areas outside bars, which could help decouple smoking and drinking, all but one participant strongly backed this proposal, and indicated that it would help them cut down or stop smoking.

              Martin Dockrell, director of research and policy at health campaign group Ash, said: 'The argument for smoke-free legislation wasn't about getting people to quit, it was about protecting people from second hand smoke.

              'This is about getting people to stop smoking so the arguments are very different.

              'Before taking such action we would like to see more evidence.

              We have jurisdictions elsewhere, such as New York, that are introducing more widespread bans and it will be interesting to see if that affects the number of smokers.'

              The research was published online in the journal Tobacco Control.

              Soon after the smoking ban came into effect across England, pub landlord Hamish Howitt became the first person to be prosecuted under the legislation.

              Six regulars at the Happy Scots bar in Blackpool were handed ?50 fixed penalty tickets for smoking at the bar and he said he would pay the fines on their behalf.

              He remained defiant and in 2008 had his premises licence revoked.
              ---------------------------------
              Ban smoking in beer gardens to stop social smokers from lighting up, experts say | Mail Online
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              • garry1312
                DK Veteran
                • Oct 2010
                • 2178

                #8
                Did not read all of it didnt need to. I have stopped smoking and I find this ridiculous. Were on earth do they expect the smoker to smoke, its just a complete joke.

                I agree with the smoking ban indoors and agreed with it when I smoked also (so not a sudden change of thought) but if this ban comes in to place I will not be impressed.

                If people want to smoke they are doing no one any harm having a fag outside and if it has a social aspect to it then so bloody what. I from time to time go out with the smokers in my work to the shelter not because I miss smoking but because I miss the banter.
                Last edited by garry1312; 22 February, 2012, 15:13.


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                • aleister crowley
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 519

                  #9
                  Knew it wouldn't be long.
                  Within 3 months of the smoking ban being introduced the facist anti-smoking lobby were already complaining about having to walk past people outside of pubs smoking.
                  They won't be happy until smoking is banned and they will complain about every bit of legislation.

                  ~~~~ em. I gave up going to the pub and now have a drink at home in peace without any tutting and dirty looks when I want a fag.

                  You can guarantee though that this will be the final nail in the coffin for the UK pub industry if they make this legal.

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                  • smokey08
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 2336

                    #10
                    This is ridiculous, The stupid people who think up these rules are probably against drinking aswell and probably dont even go to the pub.

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                    • GastonJ
                      V.I.P. Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 5505

                      #11
                      Aye drinking phuq up your liver, may as well ban that while we're at it birgade
                      My master plan is to live forever..... going to plan so far
                      Despite the cost of living, it's still very popular.
                      No good deed goes unpunished....

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                      • aleister crowley
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 519

                        #12
                        Regarding the dangers of passive smoking, the jury is still out on how much of a risk it really is.
                        In 2006, following the ban on smoking, the House of Lords Economic Affairs Committee published a report on the government?s management of risk. It concluded that environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) is not the threat it?s purported to be and therefore did not justify a ban.
                        Moreover, much of the science which makes up the passive-smoking case fails to mention that smoking-related illnesses - like lung cancer, cardiovascular disease and respiratory disease - are the product of a number of factors, such as genetics and diet, in addition to the amount of exposure to tobacco smoke.

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                        • Hoppy01
                          DK Veteran
                          • May 2011
                          • 374

                          #13
                          I am a smoker and fed up being treated like crap..
                          I understand banning it inside due to passive smoke and being respectful and not stinking out the house but as usual, thats not good enough for some.
                          I stub mines outside if i see someone coming towards me so whats the problem..

                          Makes me laugh that the missus bans it inside as it stinks the house out but that doesn't stop her smoking kippers every ~~~~in Sunday.
                          Now that's something i would ban...
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                          • Evastar
                            V.I.P. Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 1220

                            #14
                            the main problem is with places that do food, last sunny day that myself and friends went to a place with outdoor tables, the entire place was clouded in a fug of smoke, and it really isn't nice when you are eating.

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                            • cgscott
                              V.I.P. Member
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 3513

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Evastar
                              the main problem is with places that do food, last sunny day that myself and friends went to a place with outdoor tables, the entire place was clouded in a fug of smoke, and it really isn't nice when you are eating.
                              I agree Ev. I smoke but i refuse to smoke when people are eating. No matter where i am.

                              Disgusting. I have seen people eating a burger with one hand and in between smoking a ciggy.
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