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  • gmb45
    Admin Assistant
    • Nov 2008
    • 7538

    #1

    The human right to claim benefits:

    Jobless could sue for better payments under controversial plan

    • Experts are considering whether Labour's Human Rights Act should include socio-economic rights
    • Job-seekers could take the Government to court if ministers failed to provide minimum standard of living


    Human rights law will be extended to include the right to claim benefits and enjoy a comfortable standard of living courtesy of the taxpayer under plans unveiled last night.

    A Government panel of experts is considering whether Labour?s Human Rights Act ? which is already hugely controversial ? should be extended to include so-called ?socio-economic rights?.

    This would allow the jobless to take the Government to court if ministers did not provide a minimum standard of living.

    Earlier this week, a report by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation suggested a family of four needed an income of almost ?37,000 to have a satisfactory lifestyle.

    Farce: Human rights law will be extended to include the right to enjoy a comfortable standard of living courtesy of the taxpayer (picture posed by models)

    The ?Commission on a Bill of Rights? was set up by David Cameron to end the rampant abuse of human rights laws.

    Originally, the Prime Minister had pledged to scrap Labour?s Act and replace it with a UK Bill of Rights, which would stop the system being abused by criminals and those who refuse to work.

    But, after being forced into a coalition with the Liberal Democrats he had to downgrade his pledge.

    Instead, he established the commission to decide the best way forward.

    Yesterday, despite deliberating for 15 months, the panel said it had not decided whether to recommend any change to the Act.

    But it said that, if it did decide to opt for a Bill of Rights, it wanted to consider suggestions from the public and pro-human rights groups on whether to add on yet more ?human rights? which must be respected by Parliament and the courts.

    Frustration: The Prime Minister set up the commission to end the rampant abuse of human rights laws

    Under a section headed ?Additional Rights??, it suggests ?a right to equality?; a ?right to administrative justice?, which would build on the existing ?right to a fair trial?; ?rights for victims?; ?children?s rights?; ?socio-economic rights?; and ?environmental rights?.

    The last two are likely to be the most contentious.

    Under ?socio-economic rights?, it says: ?Such rights, which are found in a number of bills of rights in other countries, can include rights to adequate healthcare and housing, a right to education, a right to a minimum standard of living, and a range of other social security entitlements.?

    On benefits, the panel suggest copying wording from the South African Constitution.

    This promises a right to ?social security, including, if they are unable to support themselves and their dependants, appropriate social assistance?.

    On the environment, the panel suggests that everyone should have the right to live in a world that ?is not harmful to their health or well-being? where there is ?secure ecologically sustainable development and the use of natural resources while promoting justifiable economic and social development?.

    Critics fear this could lead to all building projects being automatically challenged under human rights law ? creating a boon for lawyers but stifling economic growth.

    MPs said they were hugely disappointed with the report, which also suggests the courts having the power to strike down laws made by Parliament.

    Currently, judges can rule that a law is incompatible with the Human Rights Act, but must leave it to the politicians to decide what to do next.

    Tory MP Dominic Raab said: ?The Commission risks being hijacked by the human rights lobby.

    It is supposed to be looking at how to scale back the rights inflation and compensation culture that has undermined law enforcement, democratic accountability and personal responsibility.

    Compensation culture: MP Dominic Rabb said the commission risked being hijacked by the human rights lobby

    ?Instead, it has churned out proposals for even more human rights.

    That would give judges enormous power to set social policy without proper democratic accountability, and cost the taxpayer a fortune.?

    Mr Cameron voiced his frustration in May at slow progress on his plans to scrap the Human Rights Act.

    He blamed delays on the compromises made necessary by being in a coalition, but said he remained determined to press ahead with the change.

    Sir Leigh Lewis ? chairman of the panel, which will make its final recommendations later this year ? said: ?I am pleased that the Commission has published this second Consultation Paper.

    We want to hear from as many individuals and interested parties as possible.?


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  • ray156
    DK Veteran
    • Dec 2009
    • 669

    #2
    myself not interested in all that political stuff,i get benefit yes,but take what i get and be happy with it.i get enough to live on,thats all i need.

    i get incapacity ?110 per week, ?5 taken for csa payments,? 8 for gas,? 8 for electric, ? 7 for rent a week. ? 10 for water/sewage/council tax.

    the rest is for food etc,mobile phone-virgin etc is my choice,my luxuries,so if i do end up short one week,my fault, no one elses.

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    • super jumbe
      V.I.P. Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 11610

      #3
      Luxury life style from the tax payers money, mmmmmmmm, suppose there will not be any taxpayers left?????????
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      • gmb45
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        • Nov 2008
        • 7538

        #4
        Originally posted by super jumbe
        Luxury life style from the tax payers money, mmmmmmmm, suppose there will not be any taxpayers left?????????
        the way things are going there wont be that many tax payers left, example... bloke i know had a skip hire business he was only a one man band, 1 skip wagon and a few skips, they have just increased his license from 2k to nearly 33k finished him straight away
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        • Canker_Canison
          V.I.P. Member
          • May 2010
          • 3905

          #5
          On the environment, the panel suggests that everyone should have the right to live in a world that ?is not harmful to their health or well-being?
          This made me laugh.

          There's nowhere on earth that isn't harmful to your health or well-being.

          Industry pollutes the atmosphere & waterways on a global scale.
          Emmissions from all vehicles, this includes electric vehicles due to the production of the electricity supply & the huge damage done to the environment in producing the batteries.

          Fast food will have to go.. Good bye BK, McD's, KFC. So will all the cheap meat from the supermarkets. No more pizza's, kebabs, burgers or anything else made with high levels of fat.

          Smoking will be completely banned, as would alcohol.

          Freedom of will is not compatible with this proposed human right. Even if you rule out all the things we do to ourselves that is harmful to our health. We would end up back in the stone age with peddle cars & no modern medicine.

          Ok, extremeist rant now over.


          On a similar note, has anyone else noticed the shortage of fresh tuna steak in the supermarkets?
          Canker

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          • Meat-Head
            V.I.P. Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 32000

            #6
            COOL human rights for benfits, cool, would like to claim this please.

            There NO eND of immoboliser problesms on ducatto and iveco daily, would like to sue somebody for them, would *LOVE* to do one

            thanmks

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            • jordigirl
              DK Veteran
              • Oct 2011
              • 716

              #7
              Everyone is entitled to benefits, if they are in need,

              but they should provide a basic standard of living to help people out, not to support them in luxury, at the taxpayers expense







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              • rds60h
                DK Veteran
                • Nov 2008
                • 622

                #8
                It is the sort of story that will make it harder and harder for genuine cases to get what they are entitled to.
                And unfortunately those who are milking and working the system will be shown how to get even more out of it.

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                • GastonJ
                  V.I.P. Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 5505

                  #9
                  another story that came out weeks after Dodgy Dave sad he wanted to remove/reduce benefits form the under 25's to make them live at home and sponge of their parents. I dont' recall seeing anything from the Tory propaganda machine on this particular aspect before today, though I could be wrong (I usually am)

                  Why is this contentious?

                  "Under ***8216;socio-economic rights***8217;, it says: ***8216;Such rights, which are found in a number of bills of rights in other countries, can include rights to adequate healthcare and housing, a right to education, a right to a minimum standard of living, and a range of other social security entitlements.***8217;

                  So are the Tories saying that if you are ill, old or infirm that you should just die in the gutter rather than have medical treatment? or that you should live in a cardboard box? if you can't afford to go to grammar school just have no education at all?

                  I didn't realise we were back in Dickension Britain. Next we'll be making it a capital offence to steal a loaf of bread. Of course Dave will say the public are behind him, he did when he cut public sector workers pensions, even though I don't recall him asking me whether I was ok with the local public sector workers losing their pension, but he must have read my mind ... total tw@

                  It's not a majority government, they don't speak for the majority and the majority didn't vote them in and certainly didn't vote the Lib Dems in. Have to say that I agree with rds60h on his comment, only one thing to add is that *everyone* in need of help will be punished when the Tories change things.
                  My master plan is to live forever..... going to plan so far
                  Despite the cost of living, it's still very popular.
                  No good deed goes unpunished....

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                  • super jumbe
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 11610

                    #10
                    All those on benefit should not get cash money in hand or in bank accounts, they should get vouchers to shop in govt designation shops only, that including gas & electrics vouchers for the meters.

                    I remember a man opened a garage near a city centre about 10 years ago and his council tax was ?3000 annum, the very next year council send him a bill to pay ?8000 annum he continued some how and got bankrupt in the end. He is still paying interest to the bank?..
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                    • Meat-Head
                      V.I.P. Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 32000

                      #11
                      Originally posted by super jumbe
                      I remember a man opened a garage near a city centre about 10 years ago and his council tax was ?3000 annum, the very next year council send him a bill to pay ?8000 annum

                      OFF TOPIC:-

                      If your a DK member AND a small bussiness, ring the council up, shout down the phone, and you CAN get a reduction off your council tax.

                      not sure excat figres, but SERSOLIY M-H-M 11,000 posts ago were paying
                      something like ?2000 per annum rates.

                      Since VIP status, shouting down the phone and getting more than 8000 posts, no word of a lie, we pay give or take a penny ?400 a year!

                      But we did get caught out the first time, some scrout solicters chargaed us ?600 and we got a ?25 discount off council tax. every post since then we shout at council.

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                      • smirnoff_rules
                        V.I.P. Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 8603

                        #12
                        mine was 2000 ayear then got small business relief and went down to 1000 then last year they gave me a free year .. no idea why tho . something birmingham were going


                        From 1 October 2010 to 31 March 2013 the amount of Small Business Rate Relief available has increased. Eligible ratepayers who occupy a property with a rateable value of ?6,000 or less will receive 100% rate relief for this period. Eligible ratepayers occupying a property with a rateable value of between ?6,001 and ?12,000 will have their relief calculated on a sliding scale decreasing from 100% to 0%.

                        http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Sate...pper%2FWrapper
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